All The Small Things - Blink-182

1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Walk A Mile In My Shoes - Joe South.

Walk This Way - Aerosmith 

52 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Don’t FEAR The Reaper. - Blue Oyster Cult.

Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley 

There’s A Guy Works Down The Chip Shop Swears He’s Elvis - Kirsty MacColl

1 minute ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Crazy Arms - Jerry Lee Lewis

Brothers In Arms - Dire Straits 

12 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

One Fine Day - The Chiffons.

Yes, I can keep it in the 1960’s.

Fine Young Cannibals - She Drives me Crazy 

Is that allowed??

1 hour ago, Riversider28 said:

Just a note guys - the same word should not appear more than twice in a row e.g. time, thanks.

Poison  - Every Rose Has It’s Thorn

That was me sorry - I’m new 

I’ve done it again as well! - must try harder 😁

6 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

One Fine Day - The Chiffons.

Yes, I can keep it in the 1960’

Ignore - made the same mistake as earlier!!

7 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Got To Get You Into My Life - The Beatles.

One Day In Your Life - Michael Jackson 

1 minute ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

From Me To You - The Beatles.

You Really Got Me - The Kinks 

32 minutes ago, Silas said:

Don't forget Markanday. 

🎶Don’t you forget Markanday🎶 (Simple Minds)

Kiss From A Rose - Seal 

He’s (Ryan Dilks) a Derby fan…

Thorn In My Side - The Eurythmics 

I think I’ll stay here for a while, it’s much less tense than the football threads! 😁

5 minutes ago, Gav said:

That isn't the question you asked.

Have you seen improvements this season, if so where?

No it wasn’t - you answered exactly what I asked - I was just suggesting a possible explanation as to why we aren’t further down the table.

I no longer attend so I can’t comment on whether we’ve improved or not - however the match threads certainly read very similar to last season.

9 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

With all due respect were the “ project “ argument falls down is that clubs like Rovers can’t sustain a successful team over that period of time. If we had any really good players they’ll be lured away by clubs further up the food chain just like Armstrong was. Let’s just say we’d stormed up the league playing brilliant football - how long do you think JDT would hang around ? One of the bigger clubs that had just been relegated would be after him like a shot. 
The only way it works is if you have a shit hot senior management and scouting system that can identify replacements before you need them as Brentford and Brighton have done.

We couldn’t be further away from being run along those lines if we tried 

Re Brentford and Brighton:

It’s easier to know what you might need if you already know what you’re doing.

We used to be like that too…

6 minutes ago, Gav said:

Not really no.

I'm surprised our league position is as good as it is after the players we lost at the back end of last season, we certainly haven't replaced like for like which would usually result in regression. 

Maybe it just shows how poor a league it is.

3 minutes ago, booth said:

I didn’t expect much of an improvement on the pitch this season, but I did expect an improvement in terms of recruitment, and with it I hoped we’d see signs of an improvement on Mowbray and his “journey”. With a view to things improving in a big way next season. Something to build on, a bit of hope.

I expected that because the appointment of JDT and fanfare on his arrival suggested so.

What a wally I was.

Do you think there’s been an improvement in identifying shortfalls within the squad? 

Not that it matters if you can’t get the deals across the line (or do the paperwork properly when you have done!)

Time After Time - Cyndi Lauper 

2 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Burnley also have the second highest paid squad in the division.

Literally google "Championship wages 2022/2023" and 99.99% of them have them as second

We will of course know the full truth shortly, as club accounts are released throughout the year. Not that many do, which irks when it is the same people who constantly deny the advantage FFP has given some clubs. Just read the expenditure of clubs and their performance and you can see the link

So there is absolutely no need to be delivering a project at Burnley, because they have five times as much money guaranteed to be paid to them over the next three years than 75% of Championship clubs

Their goal is to ensure it isn't wasted, a la Stoke City or Huddersfield

Their 'project' is to become a club that will compete in the Prem, but Kompany is going to be sorely disappointed if he thinks he will get the money to do that. Burnley's business model is clear - follow Norwich and Watford and yo-yo, ensuring good dividends over a 5 year period for shareholders whilst enjoying the advantage footballs financial rules give clubs in that yo-yo spell

And that is why they have retained the 2nd most expensive squad in the division and brought in a load of fee loans to deliver them a squad capable of achieving a promotion push

Contrast to Rovers - who sit around about 17th in the wage expenditure - and you can see the need for a project

We can all sit and ignore the financial consequences of Football, pretend it is irrelevant if you like, but the reality is that wage expenditure is directly related to promotion. And we simply do not have the financial firepower to compete with the likes of West Brom, Sheffield Utd, Norwich, Watford, Stoke City or Middlesborough

And any manager will have to realise this 'project' at a club like ours. They will need time because we cannot throw money at it and generate a load of real skilled players into a squad with depth. That's a fact

You can hate it, but criticising JDT for it is stupid. He's just seeing what you aren't. And so is Broughton.

Excluding the top two - we’re one point behind a couple of teams you mentioned, and above the others.

Doesn’t this suggest that a couple of astute signings may (not would) have been enough? 

I guess we’ll never know because O’Brien has almost certainly fallen through and we didn’t manage to sign a forward.

1 minute ago, Gav said:

JDT came into the club saying he needs 4 transfer windows to stamp his mark on this side, that will now be 5 after the January shambles. I read that to mean he wants 4/5 quality additions and we maybe in a position to challenge if he’s backed.

When you have the likes of the dingles spending £30m+ on players this season alone, Sheff United calling on the likes of Sander Berge who they paid £22m for and Millwall paying bigger wages than we do, you know we’re up against it.

I don’t care about the rhetoric that comes from the manager, projects, plans or ambitions, I can see with my own eyes we are some way off challenging right now and it will take time to improve our squad and league position.

 Notwithstanding what he has to deal with, would you have expected to see any improvements yet (and have you seen any)?

14 minutes ago, Andy said:

Agree with this, even an initial season, with the financial benefits it brings, would be a big help to us long term.

Also, JDT is managing expectations; that is as clear as day,

Behind the scenes, promotion will of course be the aim this season and the ‘play poorly / win game’ instances this season show that he’s more interested in results than performances.

He’s a winner; settling isn’t in his DNA. Hence his anger at the recruitment fuck ups.

I think you can manage expectations regarding how likely promotion is without giving the impression that this season would be too soon to go up.

Re: your behind the scenes comment, I expect you’re right regarding JDT, but I’m not sure those higher up the club agree (if they do they’ve a funny way of showing it!)

15 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Projects are for clubs with A* senior management such as Brighton, Brentford, Fulham etc not for clubs like Rovers who basically have no senior management at all.

I see what you’re saying but I see it more as:

A* senior management (as per your examples) = well thought out and well implemented projects

Our senior management = a poorly thought out and badly implemented project

I say all this as someone whose not keen on the term being used - although I do think it’s better than being on a journey!

14 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

 

Wrong thread

23 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Was Kompany told that by the Burnley board? If that's the case he's doing a great job 

Tomasson has referred to "projects" several times. It looks like he's embraced the ethos. As fans we're tired of hearing it. 

If our ‘project’ was to get promoted as soon as possible I think more fans would put up with that term being used.

I think it’s the idea that there’s such a thing as being promoted ‘too soon’ which is the major problem with ours.

Why not try to go up ASAP, even if you think this means an immediate relegation would be almost guaranteed? - if this does happen, we’d (should) be in a position to launch a bid for a ‘more sustainable’ promotion. 

I’d say another problem (i didn’t say ‘the other’ because I’m sure there’s many more!) is what they say the project is bears no resemblance to their actions.