10 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Unless the clauses other clubs 'would have readily included' are actually mandatory for player registration, I don't see how the league could argue it was right to enforce a delay in the transfer. It doesn't matter what good practice is, it matters what obligatory practice is.

This is the standard form of contract that has to be used - it’s the Premier League one but is the one referred to in the EFL regulations (64.2):

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/579f1eef2e69cf81541f5565/t/57bc6605e58c62993057c155/1471964677468/standard%2Bpl%2Bcontract.pdf

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Or taking it out of the money ‘saved’ on the O’Brien transfer…

A players contract has to be in the form of a ‘Standard Contract’ - I may be missing it, but I can’t see reference to a clause to cover relegation pay decreases (or promotion increases for that matter)

I think they’re covered, when agreed, under the clause ‘Any Other Provisions’

6 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

What everyone's forgetting is that we also fucked up on the Rochdale lad.

So take everything you read with a pinch of salt.

A very big pinch…

Should there be a further clause for if we ‘go straight through’ league one and into league two as well…

3 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Because, within 10 minutes, it would be more than possible to insert a line into a Contract which states:

"In the event of relegation to League 1 the Club are under no obligation to sign the player Lewis O'Brien"

I'd say it sounds a lot more likely this was done, ratified, signed and sealed in ~10 minutes than it does to then agree a contract to cover promotion, and indeed wages/clauses/fees etc with it, in that same timeframe

But we haven’t agreed to sign him if we’re relegated to league 1 so that clause in the contract is unnecessary (and the regulations don’t call for it either) 

6 minutes ago, arbitro said:

If there was no agreement to buy him other than us getting promoted then why would the EFL reject the deal because the contract hadn't been agreed factoring in relegation. In simple terms if we don't get promoted then surely it's a straightforward loan. My understanding was there was no contract agreed to cover promotion because then we are obliged to buy him and this was why the transfer was originally rejected and subsequently late. Another question then is how a contract was agreed in the ten minutes or so between 22.50 and just after 11. I understood these contracts to be complex and needed the eye of a legal person.

How do you agree an obligation to buy (with Forest) without also agreeing the ‘future’ contract (with the player)

What would happen if we were promoted, and therefore were obliged to complete the signing, but we couldn’t then agree terms with the player?

8 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

So Rovers have missed a 'key part' of the contract submission? I wonder why they are saying it's irrelevant? Think it was referred to as a 'moot point' by Waggott?

 I’ve no idea if we submitted the agreed terms - but that’s all we would have to had submitted 

7 minutes ago, Displaced Rover said:

If that's truly the case then it's complete nonsense because we wouldn't be obligated to buy him. It's such a stupid point that I can't believe it's the reason it was held up?

It would still be nonsense if it was to do with getting promoted and immediately being relegated 

i also can’t believe this is the reason for the hold up

8 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

Do the EFL always request player contract details when a player signs somewhere? If clubs are legally bound to submit player contract clauses based on hypotheticals to the EFL then Rovers won't have a leg to stand on. But if this is something the EFL have asked for on a whim and it isn't legally binding then the EFL could possibly be sued by Rovers. 

In the case of a loan with an option/ obligation to buy - the EFL regulations require the submission of the terms agreed - nothing more, nothing less.

It may well be sensible to have a wage reduction clause,  but it isn’t a requirement 

It would be crazy if you also had to submit all the terms that weren’t agreed - where would it end…

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