Crimpshrine
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2 hours ago, unsall said:
No, I’m not into that thinking, think Venkys have learnt their lesson, and I personally wouldn’t think Mowbray would go along with that, I certainly think the owners and Mowbray have agreed to buy young, with potential and all that, and think he will end up a decent signing.
I just can’t fathom out all these fans saying he is definitely a duffer, no doubt about it, it’s because it’s cost 6/7 mil, no one knew at the start off the season we would be paying out that sort of money, and fans think he has to be a world beater straight away because of the fee, but I can’t believe they can’t trust Mowbray with the record he’s had since he’s been here, fans like Mercer when I asked him re Mowbray, he said he’s a steady eddie, but not the man to take us forward, he should have kept us up 2 seasons ago, think he got around 22/23 points from 15 games, beat Brentford last game away, went down with a points total which has nearly always keeep you safe.
After a slow start in league 1, then blitzed it, 96 points, started very well this season, it’s beyond comprehension that some fans know better than Mowbray.
I completely agree with you on Mowbray's record and suitability as Rovers manager - there is no question that he is the right man and doing a great job.
I also agree that nobody can judge Brereton yet as he hasn't had the chance to prove himself. This thread exists purely because he cost a vast amount of money.
I am just not sure that any manager would have chosen to spend 80% of his transfer budget on a player that is unlikely to get a starting place in the first team. That's why I think Mowbary was perhaps not the instigator of Brereton's signing.
Having said that, it is not necessarily a bad signing - it could turn out really well - who knows?
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11 hours ago, unsall said:
Without everybody jumping on to me saying in Mowbray we trust,( old hat) Ive give my reasons many times why I think it will be a decent investment, whether it’s this season or next, but just find your comments saying you find simply absurd that Mowbray has sanctioned the deal, very strange and without any foundation I will leave you with this stat.
Mowbray at Rovers.
managed 89
won 45
drawn 28
lost 16
Think it works out at just over 50% win rate, lose 1 every 5.5 games ,that’s the best record of any Rovers manager in 143 years.
Yes I know one of those seasons has been in league 1,but we’ve been there before.
I just think he wouldn’t have sanctioned the deal, unless he thought he was getting a decent player, and you have to respect that record, and no, not saying he’s perfect in everything he does, but after the dross in managers we’ve had in recent years, I will trust him better than most, time will tell.
Maybe this is a Venky signing and Mowbray didn't have much say in it?
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Just now, unsall said:
Not said trust Mowbray in everything he does, I just thought on the Brereton situation, we should trust him, he doesn’t seem the type of manager to pay up to 6/7 mil on a duffer, I just personally don’t think we have seen enough of him to make any judgement, and till Graham and Dack aren’t doing the business he will have to bide his time, regardless of price.
Now that’s MY opinion, not questioning yours or others, I respect yours and others opinions, and you should respect mine, but I should be able to post different opinions than you and others.
No need for the sarcastic comments in your last sentence.
I think you are right with this assessment. Maybe it wasn't his decision.
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I was talking to a Rovers' scout a couple of weeks ago.
His remit is to report only on young (23 or below) British players who are proven at their particular age levels ( ideally international appearances), will accept a reasonable wage ( he didn't know what this figure was ) and will increase in value over a 2 year period. That's it - Rovers will not permanently sign anyone who does not fit this description. That is what he understands ( not sure if Rothwell or Bell fit completely !)
He was not aware of any Rovers scout watching Brereton or any reports sent directly to Mowbray - but he admits he wouldn't necessarily know this anyway but sometimes he hears things on the scouting grapevine.
He thinks the fact that Liverpool, Man Utd and Chelsea definitely had scouts watching Brereton last season made it a bit of a coup for Rovers to get him but he was not necessarily Mowbray's choice. He just ticked all the boxes and was seen as an investment.
Loans and free signings are entirely in Mowbray's hands but permanent signings, so he has been told, could be more of a club decision based on the above.
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3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:
14 people out of 70 people who voted is hardly a decent simple of fans it it?
That's the way polls work Chads. You ask a number of people and extrapolate to give an idea of how a larger number of people might vote.
14 out of 70 IS significant. Especially on a message board for dedicated fans.
I'm not one of the 14 by the way. I don't have Sky and a red button would never keep me from a Rovers game if I could possibly attend.
On the other hand, Venky's ARE keeping me away from Ewood and it's still away matches only for me.
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It's only a small sample but the poll tells us that over 12% of fans are already influenced by the red button and 6% are undecided.
Assuming the undecided are obviously wavering because they feel they may be influenced at some point, that's a large percentage of dedicated fans who may not go to a game at some point due to the availability of the red button. Over 18% in total.
When you consider that the people who spend time on this site are probably Rovers 'addicts', that says a lot. The figure is probably higher than 18% among fans who have an interest in Rovers but only attend now and again.
So it looks to me like the red button may have a big influence on attendances at all clubs given those figures.
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8 minutes ago, JHRover said:
They've opened the Legends Lounge for Leeds fans. Promoting it as the 'away fans lounge' and offering admission for £100+vat. Those who go in can either watch from inside or have a seat outside.
Wow, £120.
Be interested to know how many takers there are at that price.
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4 minutes ago, Mercer said:
Would also give him a bonus based upon collective net profit on player trading (ie what we sell them for compared to what we bought them for).
Managers should never be rewarded for selling players at a profit.
How would anyone trust that their transfer activity was for the good of the club and not self motivated?
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2 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:
Give him a 6 year year deal. We won't get a better man to manage the club. He is a good fit for us, and vice versa. A hammer blow would be if he gets us top 10 and then another club poached him. His stock is rising here.
A 6 year deal is of benefit only to the manager not the club.
If the manager is sacked he will receive a massive pay off.
If he fancies a different job he simply resigns from his current post. He doesn't have to commit to staying the full 6 years.
3 years is enough to give security for the manager and continuity for the club. If that then leads to another 3 years then thing must be going really well and everyone is happy
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Nearly eight years already ? Time flies when you're having fun!
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4 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:
Ya, lets do that so. Fire away
Patrick Bamford?
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3 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:
Are you following the conversation at all?
JHrover said we should have spent £2 million each on 4 players instead of signing Brereton. I then asked who moved for £2 million that would have improved our squad. I don't think the question can be anymore straight forward. I am keeping it even more straight forward for you by not including payers who didn't move
JHRover also stated that he didn't think 4 x £2million would have been authorised.
Maybe we should be asking which available £6/7 million player would have been a good signing and an immediate impact at Rovers?
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On 01/10/2018 at 13:09, Rover_Shaun said:
£3 extra for buying a ticket late is shameful and basically a slimeball practice no matter how you flower it up even from a conceited ivory 'real fans pay anything' tower.
Anybody pay the £3.00 last night ?
It would be interesting to know if the club feels the extra revenue is worth it when considering the possible deterioration of fan satisfaction.
If one fan decides to stay at home due to the £3.00 late fee, it will take 10 late payers to replace the income of that one fan.
False economy
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On 28/09/2018 at 07:39, Paul said:
The exploitation and control of many aspects of our lives by Amazon, Sky, Fox, Walmart etc. continues largely unchallenged by those who buy their products.
The exploitation and control of certain aspects of our lives by VENKY'S continues largely unchallenged by those who buy their products.
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1 hour ago, Rover_Shaun said:
£3 extra for buying a ticket late is shameful and basically a slimeball practice no matter how you flower it up even from a conceited ivory 'real fans pay anything' tower.
For an evening match that starts at 7.45 pm, how many fans are at the ground by 6 pm ? Especially if you work until 5 or 5.30 pm.
I would say the majority of 'walk ons' for an evening match will have to pay the (post 6 pm) £3.00 extra.
I believe the intention of the hike is to try and get people to the ground early so they spend money there ( food, drink, club shop) rather than go home for tea and turn up just before kick off. The surcharge also discriminates against fans who travel further and can't possibly make it for 6.00 pm after work.
It would be more honest to advertise the tickets as £31 ( JWU ) with £3.00 discount for early birds.
It is nonsense to compare the surcharge with theatre thickets and other events because they normally have no problem selling out. Rovers have thousands of spare seats each match to try and fill.
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Venky's AGM coming up
AGM 26/09/2018 This is to inform you that, the 42nd Annual General Meeting of the members of Venky''s (India) Limited will be held on Wednesday, 26th September, 2018 at 10.30 a.m. at Sheraton Grand Pune Bund Garden Hotel, Raja Bahadur Mill Road, Near Pune Railway Station, Pune
"Any other Business?"
"Yes - Do we still own that Soccer team in UK?"
"I think so, maybe - It's all gone very quiet. Do we have a man over there ? Who knows?" "Any important questions?"
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2 hours ago, blueboy3333 said:
I've not had the pleasure of the red-button yet. Tonight's the night. Is there commentary?
The red button on my TV just seems to switch it off!
I think I'm missing something
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Just now, blueboy3333 said:
Committed to signing him apparently.
I thought so.
But if that is the case then what is the point in ending the permanent transfer window early when this is, in effect, a permanent transfer?
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13 hours ago, tomphil said:
Brereton looked lively a few times when the ball dropped to him inside the box but like a fish out of water out wide and yes I know he's only 19 but he's very lightweight I thought we were buying a lad with physical attributes ?
Genuine question, no judgement of Brereton's abilities at all, but how does the 'loan with a view to permanent move' work ?
Are we committed to signing him or can we simply send him back in January if things don't work out?
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I remember when the ST used to be like a book of raffle tickets.
The ticket number for each game was posted above the turnstile and was seemingly selected at random from the remaining numbers in the book.
There was always a little bit of panic as I flicked through the book of tickets convinced that the required number was missing and I would be left outside Ewood while all my mates strolled in.
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57 minutes ago, Proudtobeblue&white said:
Part of the problem was that he hadn't told the club from what I've been told. Now that they know TM has confirmed they will make sure he turns up!
I am sure the club must have known about the assault and his need to do community service. It was public knowledge and even mentioned on this message board a few times.
We all know that the club keeps up with BRFCS!
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Just now, Tormund said:
How it can take so long to sort paperwork is beyond me!
Approval from Pune?
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26 minutes ago, JHRover said:
I'm not even sure on this. Dishing out new contracts is of course important and a positive step. Particularly tying Dack and Lenihan down to new deals. But does it require money to be available to do it? Our revenues will be considerably higher now we are in the Championship (Waggot estimated last week they could be almost double those of last season), so for the owners to sanction new deals and increased wages whilst important I'm not sure it really requires them to immediately dip into their piggy banks to fund. It is more the case of increasing wages now we are receiving increased revenues.
They've shown in the past that they don't really mind cranking up the wage bill and bringing in loans and frees on higher wages than others will pay, the problem comes when they have to dip into their own funds to bankroll cash purchases.
I think you are spot on here.
I don't think Madam D will be signing any cheques while Venky's are still under ASM. The earliest this will be lifted is 1st August but more likely September or October.
Has any money been spent at all this summer? - Maybe Oxford have been paid but City may be happy to wait a while. As you say, new contracts don't require cash up front.
Mowbray has stated deals are close and he understands why they are not being completed. I'm convinced it is cash flow from Pune. Trying to sort out settlements with other clubs with no cash up front is obviously going to be difficult - maybe impossible!
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41 minutes ago, perthblue02 said:
Lincoln City announce they have signed Scott Wharton on a 12 month loan
Cost cutting? - not going to figure in 1st team so let someone else pay his wages?
Attendances
in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
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Firstly, you don't need any excuse - it's a free world.
However, if a ticket is normally £27 but £30 on the day it is a consideration to some people.
If the surcharge puts one person off then Rovers lose out by by £30 so it takes 10 other 'walk ons' paying an extra £3.00 to make up the difference.
It would be far preferable to get all 11 fans paying £27 in the ground and get (very nearly) the same income.
If it never puts anyone off and everyone is happy to pay the surcharge then Rovers income is up slightly but not great for PR