Tris

Wow thanks! Does that mean we'll see your own true colours soon?

I will be happy to slate you to your face. I should have done so a long time ago. Calm / sober. Hahaha. Look at your own posting history, and the way you treat other posters.

Did you spell it right when you submitted?? I'd suggest that the closest link you have to anything involving 3rd degree is a nasty burn, and having had to scan most of your posts, the burn won't be anywhere north of your arse. To get back to the point, London is still London. We're still using the tubes, still drinking in the bars, still flying from Heathrow. We still won the Olympics, which was where we were the day before the lunatics started blowing themselves up. I'm clearly feeling confident because we've gone 4 Thursdays without a tube blowing up, but the message is still exactly what I posted on July 7th ... ... you'll never change this city.

Scotty should've ***ked off long ago, but he didn't. He's still a "complete pr!ck"

Using a natural disaster to have a pop at Bush is pathetic. Would you have made this point scoring post if Katrina had done a left and missed the populated areas? What the **** would a US President from the other political grouping have done different? What the **** special knowledge are you using to link Katrina to Iraq?? What the **** are you doing to help either situation, whilst slating someone you happen to disagree with politically? Why the **** don't you just wish the people of New Orleans well, and offer some support to those who are trying to help them. Or just use a natural disaster to have a pop at Bush. I'm amazed you didn't manage to get Blair in there as well. Very poor.

Says it all really Rev doesn't it? Sav probably tried for Soccer am, but has ended up with the radio equivalent of the Sunday Sport - the same radio station which spent the 5 hours following the Spurs game calling for the Premier League to dock us some points! As he was part of the problem last Wednesday night, he'll probably get taken to bits - live on air. But it'll be fine, cos who the **** will be listening?

Aaaahhhh this is so sweet!!! Janice and Scotty fighting each others battles in a mini mb love in!! You two aren't trying to make kids on the side are you?

Which part of rational argument and discussion to you struggle to deal with? A comment about understanding the obvious is hardly offensive, yet you come back with "I think the only person making a cock of themselves at the moment is you Tris." Which is entirely your style - offensive - and is why so many people on this MB think you're a complete pr!ck. This is a discussion forum, not Scotty's Sarcastic Salon. If you need a release then go and play with some dingles.

Unlike you Janice, I'm quite happy to support anything or anyone who is representing my football club - as I made quite clear in the first paragraph of the post. Unlike you, I didn't refuse to support Rovers whilst they employed someone I don't like. Unlike you, I don't join in with the chavs when they sing about wanting Souness to be dead. And unlike you, I only support one club, so get back to your beloved Celtic and stay there you daft old bat.

Oh dear. A 3 month break from posting because I've had to concentrate elsewhere ... and within 3 hours Rottyvieler Scotty has gone straight for the jugular. You really need to find a new hobby ...

I may be having a quiet night, but Gavin McCann of Everton hosted a charity golf day today to raise money for the special needs set up which is helping his daughter. David Moyes took several hours out of deadline day to be involved. That story dropped off the SSN loop when the Savage whinge came on (and stayed on). As you correctly say - it's not up to Savage what SSN choose to put out. But it was no way a snippet - it was a full on whining interview. I want Savage to suceed at Rovers - every fan does given the investment in him. But I don't want to see him on TV every week making a cock of himself and making a cock of everyone who pays his wages.

1) My main point being, he needs to stop doing sh it interviews. We're in a really bad publicity phase at the moment - I'm sure you've noticed - the last thing we need is public enemy no.2 (after Todd) turning up spouting absolute rubbish on the SSN loop. 2) Neither has Amoruso - but look at the stats of their relative careers at Ewood and you'll struggle to split them. Savage has been here for long enough now to have made a decent impression. 3) No-one can be judged on this season - yet - although I notice that you have joined the hordes who are laying into Kuqi and Emerton and Neill and have also slammed Dickov, who was as unlucky to receive a red card as Savage has been to avoid one. Most of our players only create bad publicity when they're on the pitch, my point is that Savage is trying to maintain his previous high media profile when he shouldn't be.

Personally I'd place Tugay and Pedersen above Savage actually, and maybe Reid - not just because they have all performed well on the pitch, but because they are able do so without adding to our ridiculous card count every time they leave the dressing room. As for the International game which is coming up ... well, let's see, what's best for SS News, what's best for Wales, and what's best for Savage? Savage is smiling tonight with his Sky cheque no doubt - because there was nothing from the Wales management or players, or any other ex-players. Just a cringeworthy PING golf publicity stunt from someone who obviously will be absolutely delighted if his "beloved" Wales fail in his absence - he'll no doubt bag another dodgy interview. Which is - at the very least - a disgraceful way to treat people he claims he wants as Wales teammates. Rich footballers can turn down TV interviews you know - or are you still struggling to understand the obvious?

As anyone wearing the halves, he'll always have my support when he's on the pitch. Only Keith Gillespie has ever tested that norm to the limit, with his unique blind-rabbit-in-headlight performances which helped take us down from the Premiership whilst Jack Walker cried real tears. Off the pitch, in my opinion, Robbie Savage is a complete disaster - an absolute pr!ck. He is the perfect illustration of why the casual fan or the occasional observer falls out with football. Tonight, every bloody hour on a loop, he appears on Sky Sports News, in an interview filmed on a golf course. Wearing a branded cap which he ensures gets every possible angle full on to the camera. If they (Ping) don't sponsor him already, there'll be a letter to 'em in the morning from Savage's agent. Savage says absolutely nothing to SSN that he hasn't said before. John Toshak hasn't called him, he doesn't think he'll play again for Wales under this regime, he's spoken to FAWales officials trying to make some headway. Since his stroppy self-imposed international "retirement" Savage has come out with this crap at least 3 times - so it's 3-nil to Toshak who (to my knowledge) has refrained from commenting in public on Savage's position with Wales. Back to Sky Sports News tonight. As masses of people watch for last minute transfer news, Savage is sharing the looped reports with updates on US Open Tennis, and an interview with Michael Vaughan, who speaks about doing his "talking on the pitch" If we're honest, since he arrived 8 months ago, Savage has done absolutely bugger all on the pitch for Rovers. Except confirm to football fans everywhere else that he is the total tosser we all thought he was until Hughes signed him. By his ridiculous TV appearances (be it on the home decorating channel or SSN), and by his well below-par appearances in our club's shirt - with the associated bookings - he is rapidly becoming an expensive millstone around Hughes' neck - he was supposed to be the opposite. For me, Savage needs to forget the TV cameras. He needs to forget his former high profile status. Forget Wales, forget John Toshak, forget everything except doing what Hughes invested so much trust in him to do. Otherwise he's gonna take Hughes down with him onto the scrapheap.

Rovers fans feeling unconfortable about the Rovers team?? With some obvious exceptions, many from both groups qualify as people. The root of the whole problem perhaps.

Oh diddums. Cricket watchers the world over are praising the standard of umpiring in this series, and rightly so. But the resident convicts can only scrape around for excuses and this is the best you can do??!! I know nowt about rugby but apparently you're getting stuffed in that as well just now - has Billy Bowden popped down to umpire some tri-nations??? Wise up and smell the kanga sh:te loser.

I was lucky enough to be at Edgbaston on Sunday morning, and having had time to reflect I am in no doubt that the experience was right up there in my best experiences of live sport. I wasn't at Anfield in 1995. I've experienced (live) brilliant highs and shattering lows with Rovers - eg beating Newcastle to get into the UEFA in ?97, Burnley away in 2000, Worthington Cup, etc. Relegation v United. Right up there on the rollercoaster is the Charlton game when Friedel scored in injury time to grab a point only for it to be ripped away again. Seen some ups and down with England too - was at Wembley in 1996 when German penalties extended the "30 years of hurt" for at least another 2 ... of course now it's 40 years of hurt. Edgbaston yesterday morning looked like a waste of time and money. 40 flippin quid for 2 wickets and no refund!!!! Disgrace, ECB. Worse than Rovers. I won't go through the range of emotions because every cricket fan knows exactly what they were. Just to say that there in the ground on a Sunday morning (so no beer!) ... 22,000 people lived for every delivery, every moment, every movement. By the time the run chase was down to 9, I was wishing we'd only seen 2 balls. I'd have paid another 40 quid for it to be won in the next 2 balls. But it dragged on and on. The afternoon garden party was gonna be a dirge - a burial ceremony for the "best England team in since 1981" ... Flintoff's heroics were going to be worth nothing ... by the time 279 came up the feeling of desolation was palpable and almost frightening in the usually bouncing Eric Hollies stand. Harmison steamed in again, and time stopped. You can never see the ball anyway, so it had probably gone to the boundary, but I could see the orange gloves of Geraint Jones up in the air and the slips were up too. Focus on Bowden, focus on Billy Bowden. The roar had already gone up to our right, but as his finger went up the entire ground erupted in noise and emotion and relief. Sunday morning, the bars had been shut - this was no alcohol-fuelled reaction - this was raw passion and the sharing of an unforgettable moment in sport. I watched the TV coverage again tonight and the spine tingled again. That moment will never leave the "highlights box" in my memory. Bring on Thursday at Old Trafford, Lancashire's hero is ready for his own stage there.

Well hasn't this been a happy, fast moving topic? Those idiots from the Met police, with their mates from SO19, MI5, TazerTazer inc. and BagABomber have - thanks to God and hard work - made our lives here in London a whole lot safer today. Read further up the thread about the supposed incompetence of London's police and the intelligence services. How they've made a hash of the job. How their tactics are supposedly racist and OTT. How lucky then, that they managed to arrest the three most wanted men in Europe today, and didn't even fooouk the addresses up. Or killl the targets. Or blow up the neighbours. Or chase anyone down a subway and land 8 rounds in their head. I'm not getting involved in any argument on here. I'm commenting as a Londoner living a mile from where @#/?3 was bagged today. There are clearly people who have posted on this thread who will be gutted that the police have got this operation so correct. Three murderers into custody in one afternoon - and not a single bullet fired - must be a mistake (or perhaps three mistakes). What happened to de Menezes in Stockwell last week is a tragedy. It's almost more tragic that the status of his visa is now an issue. Someone who had a job to do shot him several times in the head ... in a city where we're not used to guns ... and in an atmosphere which I for one have never experienced in this country. It wasn't to do with machoism or incompetence, and to even suggest that is pathetic. One man was doing his job, the other man was perhaps on his way do do his job. Perhaps legally, or perhaps with a dodgy stamp in the passport. His family now say he didn't jump the ticket barrier. I was watching Sky News as the whole thing unfolded - every EYEWITNESS last Friday told the cameras he jumped the barrier. Those pesky eyewitnesses. Must have still been high on the 2012 thing, they were all filming adverts in their heads for the hurdles final. Yesterday afternoon I used 10 stations on the tube network - all in zones 1 or 2. I have never seen a Police presence like it. I understand that there was a similar high visibility presence all over the country. But read the rubbish posted earlier on this thread, and the Police are crap, incompetent, in the wrong places at the wrong times, doing the wrong things, arresting the wrong people, and killing innocents because they enjoy it. Get real folks.

Some of the content of this thread is as pathetic as it is predictable - from some of the usual suspects. Hours after these incidents, there are people throwing insults, theories, speculation, politics, predictions and more insults like confetti. We don't even know yet how many Londoners will have died, there are people in hospitals all over the capital tonight fighting for their lives, and others in perfectly good health still trying to get home from work, walking many miles on foot. I'm not saying lock the thread or stop the discussion. All day I've been struck by the way people - my colleagues and friends, and people I've never met - have reacted. With dignity and calm, and a determination to carry on with business as usual. So let's keep this forum dignified and calm so we too can carry on business as usual. Please try and appreciate the gravity of what's just happened, and leave the bullsh!t for somewhere else. There are already fellow posters from (or in) London who have shared their personal experiences, and they are far from alone even on this forum of 3 thousand Rovers fans. To put that in context, London Underground carries 3 million people into the city every day. Few people in this country are unaffected - even if you don't know anyone here in the capital, tomorrow some poor, confused, brainwashed youth might be inspired to blow the top off the number 30 bus in your home town. For a number of reasons I've chosen only to read and not to write on here for several weeks now. Today I've been moved by something so close to home it's made me react - it's something that needs to be discussed here (and everywhere) with the stoicism and dignity that London is showing. Some friends on here know my feelings about living in London - exiled, sometimes unhappy, ripped off, surrounded by pompous or posh idiots. It's all true - we hate each other here in the smoke. But yesterdays Olympic elation cemented some bonds. Todays desolation has cast them in steel. The faceless, cowardly bcstards won't ever change this city.

my thoughts exactly

Interesting point. If Preston go up, it'll leave the dingles with no local derbies at all (unless they can count Crewe and Stoke, which is stretching the concept). Rovers would have 14 league derbies - not bad in a 38 game league season. As an aside, a bizarre consequence of the composition of next seasons Premier League is that Rovers could play the entire league season using only 3 bases for their away fixtures. Outside of Lancashire, there are 3 Birmingham clubs, 3 North East clubs, and 5 in London (6 if West Ham beat Preston). The only oddball is Portsmouth.

http://www.rapidshare.de/ You can use that site to host them, it's all fairly straight-forward. Click browse, choose your file then paste the address it gives you into here (at least I think that's all, I haven't used it for a while). 317436[/snapback] Most clever (even if it makes you sit and wait 60 seconds for downloads). Tony Parkes tear in the eye little speech at the end of the game can be re-lived here (click free button, scroll to the foot of the page and wait)

And your reply Rev conveniently ignores the fact that as the Ewood wage bill is already around a dangerous 75% of turnover, it needs cutting not maintaining ... ... and our club cannot gamble sums of £6 million on the assumption that one single player may improve our league position by 6 (or even 2 or 3) places. And the ones which turn into "substantial capital assets" are the exception rather than the norm. Do you think Robbie Savage is going to be a substantial capital asset this time next season? To get back to the initial point before we lose sight of it - there is not one single summer signing that Rovers can afford to make which is going to boost season ticket sales. End of story.

The truth hurts and is often harsh, What you say is true of the current squad SINCE Hughes took over. Prior to that these players gave us nothing. The Fulham game was a prime example that the team is still capable of the "couldn't care less" attitude. Betaing Fulham was vital for the feel-good factor. What did we get? Another abject defeat from a team that did not compete plus a player sent off after running 30 yards to deliberatley foul an opponent. We are being asked to support this rabble, it is unprofessional - they are asked to work for two hours a week for £1m plus a year, I expect total and utter dedication for the 90 minutes I'm watching, nothing less is acceptable. After the Fulham game I said I wouldn't renew my STs. I still do not WANT to renew, I WILL renew but I have no interest, excitment or desire to do so at the moment. I have two reasons for renewing - the kids want to go and without an ST I doubt I'd bother at all. I know literally tens of ex ST holders who feel exactly the same. I have a Man Utd friend, an ST holder at OT, who is so disgusted by Rio Ferdinand's wage demand he is not going back next year. The league is riddled with over-paid, under-achieving, average footballers who do not deserve the money they are paid. At Blackburn we have a lot of fans who are no longer prepared to put up with it. The answer is simple: force the players to perform, week in, week out. Make them realise they are responsible for the club's position. Hit them in the pocket when they don't perform. It's a team game, I'm not criticisng any individual, they must take collective resposibility. I don't mind losing, I don't mind the fact we are unlikley to win anything, I'll put up with inconvenient KO times, I'll ignore the over-blown hype that is the PL, I'll ignore all the rubbish that is associated with our game provide the players attitude is right. Currently it stinks. Until the players perform at Ewood Park the club can do nothing to increase support. 316894[/snapback] I can't disagree with the sentiment of frustration which fuels your point of view Paul, but the simple fact is - that's football (and has been for a while). Rovers as a club can't change the culture or the attitudes. You could can the entire Rovers first team squad and replace them with the hungry Carlisle squad which has just got them back in the league - but the consequences are obvious. You could also replace the entire squad with the abject bunch who have just taken Forest into the third division. The consequences are even more obvious - and Forest have brought in over a thousand more fans per home game than we have this season - even though the poor buggers have had to suffer 4 more home games. I'm afraid that Rovers need 11 blokes to play football, and they have to come from somewhere, and have a reasonable level of ability. We've got that at the moment, and a fair bit of attitude as well. We've even tried the entertaining football bit over the last few years, but although that brought a cup win, 6th place and Europe twice, Rovers fans (at least on here) have since made it clear they prefer 4-5-1 and security. And at the time, ST numbers fell by 3000, which I'm afraid leaves the "playing well" argument redundant.

This argument is made again and again and needs to be quantified. Look at what a "quality signing" - the sort which brings in new ST holders or persuades existing ST holders to renew - actually costs. His name is Crowd Pleaser. Lets's say £3 million as a basic fee, and a modest 20K a week on a 3 year contract. Again, rounding down (and ignoring bonus payments and all other costs), you're already at 2 million pounds per year. If each and every Season Ticket at Ewood Park brought in £400 (this is way too high given the number of kids and discount STs), the signing of Crowd Pleaser would tie up the revenue from 5 THOUSAND ST holders EVERY SEASON. There is no way - even if Rovers re-signed Duff, Shearer and Dunn and also brought in (say) McCarthy and Gabbidon - that 5000 Blackburn folk are going to alter their intentions over buying a season ticket. And that little lot would come for a combined fee of around 25 million (assumes Shearer would be a free) and annual wages of at least 12 million. Or 50 thousand new season ticket holders (full price) at Ewood. So the idea that the club should gamble on some "crowd pleasing" signings in an effort to boost Season Ticket sales is totally and utterly out of the question. It's going to be down to the same hard core fans again, and they will have to be content with more astute business from the club in the transfer market - which means frees, loans, cheap gambles and cast offs from elsewhere.