On 11/12/2022 at 22:00, Wheelton Blue said:

Tell that to the Lionesses.

On 11/12/2022 at 22:03, chaddyrovers said:

has a foreign coach ever won the world cup of a country? 

Chaddy you can't just ignore evidence that contradicts your points! It's poor etiquette. 

Also you are contradicting yourself as part of your championing of Southgate was him getting us to the finals of the Euros! It looks a bit daft to have the Euros count as part of your pro Southgate stance, but not for the Lionesses. 

Also whilst the answer to your question is no, a foreign coach has won the Euros in the men's with Greece. 

Edit - Fwiw I think there is an interesting point in there. Most success has come from countries having managers of the same nationality. Of course that has to be balanced out with most of the times the winners are the best footballing nations and therefore have the best players and managers available but it's food for thought. Maybe we should be looking at how weaker nations do with foreign coaches va same nation? There's an interesting discussion here, so no need to ignore the other side of it 🙂

It's the lack of consistency that gets me. VAR have given softer penalties than that this tournament. When there's no consistency it's a pointless exercise having it. 

7 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Every league match we have gone behind we have lost. When Nobbers scored their opening goal today the conversation around where I sit was it was game over.

That is utterly appalling and simply shouldn't happen. Speaks volumes about the team and manager. 

On the warm weather training debate, we just got back from NZ today and my word I've never been so cold. It's been a heck of a contrast shifting from sun to snow/sleet. Makes me think that probably the cold is noticed more when you've had a very recent contrast. 

As for the game itself it's the batterings when we lose that worry me. Fine margins can swing either way but when you are battered each time you lose, that's a very challenging one to turn around. We are as a team a one trick pony, which is only going to get increasingly found out. I'm worried too how often we lose when we go behind. Haven't got the stats but general recollection tells me they are pretty appalling. This suggests we lack mental resiliance as well as anything remotely resembling plan B. 

A couple of other random thoughts:

Is Brittan.an injury prone player? He seems to be out a lot of is that just my random assumption. 

Secondly I think we have too many points already on the board combined with a very tight league meaning that we are safe regardless of JDTs aversion to alternative plans. 

16 hours ago, K-Hod said:

I’m not sure they’d be as keen, but they will probably be swayed if they’re struggling for coin in the same way as the others.

And struggling for trophies. Only bit of prestige manure and spurs will get for starters. And Arsenal.havent had much either of late, although that might change this year. 

7 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

It's not so much that VAR gets decisions wrong but rather that those decisions are 'manufactured', I would say corrupt but I'm far too polite.

I did wonder this. Had it not been 6-1 I do wonder would it have been looked at. 

2 minutes ago, RoverDom said:

That is outrageous use of VAR

It's a consistency thing. How on earth that's a penalty but the first one isn't is beyond me. I don't mind what the standard is as long as it consistent. Honestly not sure how VAR officials can look people in the eye. Terrible decisions. 

Maguire lost his man for the goal. Goodness knows what he will be like against better opposition. 

Team has looked pretty bright going forward. Can only beat what's Infront of you. 

6 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

My view on Vale is very well documented on here.  

I feel like the goalposts are moving again. I wasn't saying whether he was any good I think he's crap, you think he's decent(?) but that's not the point I was making. 

The point I was making is just because the club do something, it doesn't automatically mean their judgement was correct, or that they were right to do so. Loads of examples of this from swapping Raya for Walton, thinking Darren Peacock was a defender, paying 5 million for Dailly, sticking Johnson up front to name a few. 

My point was the club can and does get it wrong. They all do. We can question their decisions. 

I remember the first football computer game I got - which ironically was a European Super League game - on the Amiga. The teams in said competition included Malmö, Bordeaux, Benfica - so much has changed since the champions league was invented. 

3 hours ago, ben_the_beast said:

Allow me to live in fantasy land for a moment. First preference of course would be for Brereton-Diaz to sign a new contract. 

But if we did sell him.

Gyokeres, JpvH on loan with an obligation to buy at the end of the season and then a ball playing battling midfielder. 

Our core would be set for the future. We'd be in a position in the summer to look at players who give us an edge. Pace and trickery. Rather than continuously having to work on filling holes in our squad.

Whilst the post is definitely fantasy land (as you say) the bit in bold isn't. It's a very real problem we have had. 

We have constantly been patching up, chopping and changing, overly relying on loans, having unbalanced squads, year in, year out. 

And in fairness whilst there will always be change in a championship team, given there has been no continuity in style it means there hasn't even been a cohesive style of play, like for like replacements or any consistency for those who have stayed. For all the talk of projects there was no consistency or build whatsoever, just tearing it up and starting again every year. It's made it infinitely harder for ourselves and needs to stop. 

7 minutes ago, J*B said:

To be fair the people reading from Venkys Towers seem to spend more time on each page than anyone else. Whether or not what they read gets reported back is another story. 

Again, to reiterate, what's the point if nothing is reported or done about it?!

7 minutes ago, J*B said:

This ‘club plant’ nonsense is getting boring quick. Whilst there are people at Rovers and Venkys reading this, I can see all of account data, they don’t post. 

Why on earth do they bother? They don't care what we think, they (Venkys and Rovers) don't run the club properly or make good decisions, so what is the point? 

It's not the loss which hurts the most - although that's painful. 

It's not even the fact we put in an appalling performance - although that was a disgrace in itself. 

No what hurts the most is it was so sodding avoidable. We'd done this in so many other away games. The tippy tappy limpness hasn't worked 8 times before so it's no surprise it didn't work Vs Burnley. And if that wasn't a whopping big clue as to what style to play Sheff Utd and others gave us a blooming big hint as well. 

It was just so obvious that wouldn't work as it hasn't so many other times away from home. It required a millisecond of thought to know that this tippy tappy limpness wouldn't work, and yet we persist with it all game. 

The other two, painful as they are, might be excusable. Certainly losing was, and if the performance was a one off it would be spectacularly disappointing but perhaps a case of a bad day at the office or overawed by the occasion. But given all the warning signs and knowing what we needed to do and more importantly not do, to rock up with those tactics and that performance is criminal. 

7 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

well, if JDT and Rovers didn't rate him then they would haven't given him a new contract, would they? 

You do realise that doesn't automatically mean Vale is any good right? Unless you are saying JDT and Rovers are infallible? 

8 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

haven't Gregg Broughton and JDT already answered this question. 

Not in a satisfactory manner, no. He's been crap. Saying I hope he gets better isn't a defence, it's an admission he's been crap. And it's not based on anything. I could now hope for a career as a footballer - no basis in fact. Hirst coming good is only marginally more likely. 

Ahem my question is why do you repeatedly persist with plan A when we go behind and it clearly isn't working?

35 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Yes.

I have just had another look at the table as we go in to the World Cup break. Of the top 5 teams we are the only one that are not in receipt of parachute payments from the Premier League, three of the other four receiving £55m and one I think £33m compared with our £8m - £9m from TV rights. The manager has done a brilliant job putting us where we are - and the idea that he might be chased out of the club because of one disappointing day or not giving some absurd "apology" horrifies me.

Handy to exclude the other play off place for not fitting the narrative. 

Also it's 9 games having gone behind not one disappointing day. 

And  chased out is a tad overdramatic too. Most people on here are just expressing concerns about losing a derby but more importantly the same stupid mistakes being repeated. 

Mind you that doesn't fit the narrative 

Two utterly criminal errors from Rovers which really should have been avoided. 

1) No plan B. 

Look I get why he set up as he did with the team that he did. I understand the thinking. Mola.a big lad with presence, another defensive mid. On paper it's worth a shot. 

But when the team and the tactics aren't working, clearly aren't working, to persist with both for the full.game.is idiocy. It wasn't working. Everyone could see that yet we continued to pass it round the back like a kick about in the park. 

It's not that hard to have a Plan B. It's not that difficult to see when Plan A isn't working. So why don't we? 

And this is the most frustrating thing about it - no team in the history of football hasn't had to revert to plan B at times. No team has solely had success through plan A, so why do we think we are different? 

Secondly we are massively reliant on youngsters stepping up to the plate. Again no team in the history of football has had all their youngsters ready to just slot in as squad players. So again, why do we think we are different? 

Some of them are ready at this level, some will be but aren't there yet, and others won't. History tells us this is the case. And yet so many positions we are relying on youngsters in their first season stepping up to the level required. That will never happen with them all so why are we wildly hoping it will? 

This is what bothers me, because these are issues that are utterly avoidable and completely known to us. Today our refusal to recognise reality cost us very dearly indeed. 

1 minute ago, simongarnerisgod said:

aye,sheff utd ran them off the pitch and put some great pieces in,we have done the absolute opposition and played burnley to their strengths

It's not just Sheff Utd though is it? They've thrown away a ton of leads so there's plenty to go on. 

Bollocks

Just now, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

The refereeing has been absolute shite as usual, but so have we in fairness 

Apt summary. Genuinely think this the worst reffing I've seen in a long time. It's not just the big decisions, stuff like the corner shows a bias I've not seen in a long time. 

The other positive is that Burnley aren't that good. I mean they are one of the better teams in this division but that doesn't take much. It's doable if we make a few key adjustments. 

Positives

We have worked hard and kept them at bay by and large

Kaminski

It's 0-0

Negatives

We are offering nothing going forwards

We need more.l of the ball to take some of the pressure off. 

I can see why he went for the first ram he did but I think getting Pickering on and Hedges forward may help us a lot and give us better balance without losing too much defensively. 

5 minutes ago, Tom said:

Not sure if it’s the sun or the same shorts but it’s difficult at times to pick out if it’s us or them 

Same although it may be the pub I'm in which use about 6000 lights in the place, dazzling every screen. 

Also perhaps unsurprising being in Yorkshire everyone else in the pub is a single. 

Cracking save by Kaminski!

33 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I am fully aware of previous transfers there, but those 2 players had very little impact at Everton 

That's changing the goalposts buddy.

We were taking about the ability to attract players not the impact they had. They are two completely different things. 

20 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Down to opinion but I would Lampard has been differentiator there already in my view. Plus he can attract good quality players like Coady, Tarkowski, Maupay, McNeil, etc. 

 

Sorry Chaddy but this is clearly not the case.  Check out the transfer link below for previous transfers:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/everton-fc/transfers/verein/29/saison_id/2020

Big players coming into Everton including from Real and Napoli. That shows that they could attract talent without Lampard.