Lampard surely is done. Mind you that was obvious to everyone. 

Struggled when he could get bring in better quality at Derby (and when could spend at Chelsea too) and hasn't improved a single teams position that he has had. 

And given Everton are broke he can't even bring in said qualify to bit make a difference. He and Everton are goosed. 

11 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

The sage of brfcs strikes again. He assured us that dinosaurs like him would never get another Championship job…

I could be wrong but based on lack of engagement with people's points i think said sage is meant as a parody persona / wum rather than something to be taken seriously. 

Besides McCarthy had a good career before then and whilst his stint at Cardiff in the second season was poor, they've got through 2 managers since then which suggests bigger issues at the club or a poisoned chalice. 

8 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said:

it was always a mystery to me why so many fans thought mowbray was the second coming,some of them  would`nt hear a word said against him

2 hours ago, Upside Down said:

Out of all the things that have happened over the last twelve years that is amongst the most bizarre. 

I cannot think of another manager at any other club who was afforded such admiration for so little. 

Ignoring repeated shocking runs that would have him booted elsewhere,  the snide comments slagging off fans, the idiotic positioning of players at times and the scapegoating of youth all should have turned fans against him. Yet in the main - here excepted - it doesn't. Never heard of another club with so bullet proof a manager. 

4 hours ago, rog of the rovers said:

What a division eh?!

Longest Serving Championship Managers

1. Mark Robins (2017) Coventry City

2. Gary Rowett (2019) Millwall

3. Nigel Pearson (1 Feb 2021) Bristol City

4. Russell Martin (1 Aug 2021) Swansea City

5. Paul Heckingbottom (25 Nov 2021) Sheffield United

6. Ryan Lowe (7 Dec 2021) Preston North End

7. Paul Ince (16 May 2022) Reading

8. Jon Dahl Tomasson (14 Jun 2022 [am]) Rovers

9. Vincent Kompany (14 Jun 2022 [pm]) Burnley

10. John Eustace (3 Jul 2022) Birmingham

That is crazy! 

Mind you given good managers are often poached and it's best to get rid of a mistake appointment quickly perhaps it's not quite as crazy as it seems. 

Still pretty cutthroat though and makes you wonder how TM survived umpteen winless runs. Almost like we don't care what happens on the pitch. 

50 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

It was a joke. 

Woosh! Well that went right over my head, doh. 

4 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

That’s a different issue, but right back aside it ain’t far away from as good as we have.

And given the right back misses as many as he plays, its a stretch to say we are unlikely to see JRC at right back. 

8 hours ago, martonrover said:

On the flip side they will be in good spirits as they won, and also had a good win last Saturday.

Good point. Hopefully fatigue outweighs moral. Shame they are on a decent run, we generally need sides not to be of late. 

1 hour ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

Yes, just like we did with Armstrong. 

Good to see Brentford copying our model. 

We can start to feel superior,or goodness even on a par with Brentford, when we have a string of successes of brought and sold. Look at their striker cycle - how many sold for big profits with a successful replacement. We've not replaced Armstrong, may not get anything for Ben and have Gally and Vale lined up as replacements. Hard to feel smug about things. 

Didn't Bristol play last night to extra time. That's got to give us the edge if we have a high intensity game.  Cue us ponderously passing it round the back. 

So much of this resonates with me. 

To me though it's simple, under Venkys it's the first time I've thought winning games wasn't the primary objective.

We've had some pretty shoddy managers before who've massively struggled with that objective but I've never thought prior to Venkys that wasn't what we were aiming for. 

12 years of that. No wonder fans have left or are losing their passion for the club. 

3 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

It’s the foundation of any successful team at this level, but as GB himself has said experienced players ‘block pathways’ of teenagers.

This is not a football club that is serious about promotion.
 

 

Aside from the fact that seasoned pros help the youngsters develop, he's contradicted himself by signing Morton. Who really blocks the pathway of our midfield and offers no help or sell on value. 

1 hour ago, Gav said:

Travis is 25?

Buckley 24?

Hardly kids.

Problem is that at every level that there is a raft of inexperience in the team. Do it on the cheap is  our motto. 

The two you mentioned are our senior pros in midfield. Not kids but hardly experienced seasoned pros. 

And of that in his development up until the last year (half way through TMs last season) Buckley has played in most positions on the pitch. Hardly going to help him master a position, nor will the lack of a seasoned vet in cm alongside them to help them learn. 

Then there's the squad fillers. Vale should be nowhere near the squad full stop, Garrett should be getting weekly games on loan, our lack of defenders is always covered by youth - and especially at cb we see how important experience is. 

Add to the illogicality we add Morton and develop him even though he's not ours nor streets ahead in quality to what we have, we let youth assets go on the cheap (Raya) or free (Lenihan). My word we can't even do cheap right! 

It was once said you can't win anything with kids, Alan Hansen on manure. Thing was there was still a ton of quality and experience around them. Sure they were talented but everything around then was set up to succeed. We throw the kids in with no support wharsoever. 

The thumpings are a concern. 

The much bigger concern is we haven't got a point when going behind. 

Look regular thrashings shouldn't happen. But they will happen from time to time. It's inconceivable to not get a single point from going behind. That shows an incredible lack of character from the team and tactical awareness from the manager. I mean if it's game over every time we go behind, that's only going to see us leave the league one way eventually, and it's not promotion. 

What channel is it on? Going to try finding a pub that will play 1 screen of that over the Manchester derby. 

On 08/01/2023 at 18:07, chaddyrovers said:

No manager there since the new owner bought the club has had any sort of stability. 7 managers in 6 years I think it is. Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce, Silva, Ancelotti, Benitez and Lampard. So I will asked how can you have any sort of stability with this sort of hire and fire policy? 

4 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

no thanks. I have gave my opinion on the topic of Rovers and how I think you forget the past and what has happen. Our new Footballing management people should be judge on what they do in this window and future windows not on the past or the owners. We have very different ways of looking at this point.  

Now that is sad as I asked nicely and it might help you understand my point of view. 

Only the other post of yours I quoted shows you know exactly what impact and influence the owner and past have on today. In fact it's part of your defence of Lampard. Not sure it's possible to recognise it for one club but not the other. 

So well done for sucking me in. At least that answered my prior question of whether it was deliberate or not. Helpful to know for the future. Stumped if I know how that's entertainment or enjoyable for you..

43 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Like I said that is the past and and not relevant to the current footballing management team in place at Rovers. I'm not talking CEO level but director of Football Gregg Broughton, head coach Jon Dahl Tomasson and head of recruitment Gus Williams who have been appointed in the last 6 months plus some new recruitment staff where decisions are made within the budget who to sign. 

Could you answer my analogy question please? The one about the Warehouse. 

1 minute ago, Mattyblue said:

Fair play to you for keep on trying but as the latest response shows you can only debate with someone that has actual comprehension and reasoning skills.

Thanks. I'm not sure if it's willfully missing my points or lack of understanding.

I'd be very disappointed if it was the former, what would be the point on going on a mb in that case? 

35 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

You are right about no evidence at the minute cos the transfer window hasn't finish yet or we haven't sign anyone. You need to wait until after the window and the summer before you want your evidence. 

The new recruitment team has been in place 3 months and already you want evidence before its even had a transfer window

My points are so far missed it's like a Reid thunderbolt sailing into the upper tier of the Blackburn End! 

I've shown how there is a ton of evidence that it won't work for these guys based on the past. I've also explained why I think that said past evidence is relevant to the new lot. 

So I think it's a bit of a pisstake to imply I'm being unreasonable in wanting results too soon (which wasn't even my point at all.) 

Last attempt:

Imagine you work at a warehouse. The CEO of the company is crap and keeps not giving the Warehouse manager no budget year after year, delays on signing off on training and new equipment and the warehouse isn't in a good state. The company has several warehouse managers and at several points even adds in a site supervisor as a middle guy between the CEO and warehouse manager. Throughout it all the warehouse is a mess and does a really shoddy job with getting deliveries out on time.  

Now a new warehouse manager is appointed. However the same CEO is in charge, with the same culture and overarching ways of working. Do you think it's likely the new warehouse manager will succeed? Do you think it's ok for people to be sceptical that he'll do well?

With Potter I have some sympathy as he:

a) has done well in his precious job.

b) has a horrible injury list (Yes it's Chelsea and he still has a ton of talent but even so it's a long list and losing your no 1 keeper, your summer marquee signing and a raft of others is not ideal.)

C) the owner is acting like a kid playing football manager. I get the impression that Potter isn't too involved in signings as it's such a scattergun approach and counter to what he has done previously. That can't help him build a team and style whatsoever. 

I get it's still a situation most managers would love to be in - all that talent and the owner signing a ton of players - and that's a strong argument against him. It's quite a flip side! But I do think said context perhaps warrants Potter a bit more time, albeit not irrespective of results for the rest of the season. 

11 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Its not cos this is new footballing management structure and appointments made 7/8 months ago 

We talk about FFP time after time on here. So I not going to talk deeply about it now. Its been done to death on here. 

This Director of football, head coach, head of recruitment and recruitment haven't screwed up time after time so that is just plain wrong. You are going back to the past instead of looking at the footballing staff at the club who are at the first season at the club. Time to judge isn't now but after the window closes. We had all this during the summer when people after people were panicking about lack of signings. Allow them to bring in the signings this window. 

Ok, let's try this one more time! 

What I'm asking is what evidence is there that it will be different under this new manager/DOF when:

- Venkys, who call the shots, are still in charge.

- They - Venkys - have messed up constantly over 12 years through their rule. 

- We have had plenty of new managers and management structures (e.g. Paul Senior) and scouting nextworks (e.g. TMs European scouting network) which have all failed. 

- Waggot is still here.

- And in fact we were in a very similar position the previous year which we botched. 

 why, given all this evidence, is it all good and rosey now? Because the manager and DoF are new? But we have had new structures and personel before, so that doesn't really wash. Are Venkys suddenly going to run the club differently? Unlikely after 12 years. 

There's no evidence that this year is going to go any differently. I hope I'm wrong but I can't see it. 

oh and before you say it optimistic outlook isn't evidence. In fact with Rovers it's often contrary to that! So it's a bit unfair to say people have no right to be worried given the last 12 years of issues. 

16 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

The past is the past. Can't changed it. 

The point is the past is also the present. As it has been for the last 12 years...  

16 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

How have the owners under invest in this team when we have pushed the FFP boundaries most seasons? 

You are right it's not all on them, the Stooges they've appointed are culpable too. (not selling players and getting money for them Vs going on frees for example.) As for the owners we seem slow on getting round FFP compared with other clubs, for example, then there's the no money given to replace Armstrong, not to mention last January. 

16 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Like I said, People need to calm down and judge the window and signings after it closes. I would rather bring in the right signings and I hopefully we will but we need overreacting cos we don't know what is actually going on behind the scenes and I am pleased nothing is leaking much either. 

You can't have not knowing as an argument for you and against my point. It cuts both ways. Also no one ever said get the wrong signings. And what's your hope based on? The evidence shows them screwing up time after time. I may as well hope to play for Rovers at nearly 40 if evidence isn't a criteria. 

16 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Hyam and Morton have improved the team, Brittain is a good signing despite the injuries and Szmodics has an impact games and scored goals and impacts some games. 

Hirst was a disappointed on his limited game time. Mola similar. 

Thats some PR and a half! A disappointment? Think disaster or poor would be a better way of putting it. They have both been terrible. 

Also Morton has nowhere near the impact Hyam does on the team. Not same category of signing. It's also worth pointing out are we really happy with a guy who's getting towards missing half our games? And as for Szmodics he's had as many good games as bad. Not sure he's the best value for money. Personally I think he will come good but at present it's hard to qualify him as a raging success. Especially given what we paid and our budget. 

16 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Given all the any signings signed by Championship clubs which players do you think we should have signed?

That's not my job. I'm not a scout and in the know who is available and the like. What I think we should sign is a striker and hard man midfielder at the very least.

16 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

@JoeHgave a very good view of the January transfer window and how it works. He is right. 

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

I think you got to look at this season on it own as we have brought in a New DoF, head coach and head of recruitment plus a new staff within the recruitment. 

Sorry mate that's nonsense.There's a common denominator over the last 12 years messing us about. To ignore it is daft. For all the new stuff we have - and boy don't they sound similar to the old - there's a ton the same. Most significantly the owners who call the shots. 

And of course we've seen the owners year after year under invest in this team. We've seen contracts run down before. We've had new recruitment strategies and teams before. So all the evidence shows that given the constants and the previous new starts - we still are weak in this area. It's naive to think everything has changed.  It's counter to all the evidence. 

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

I don't agree on your opinion on the transfer window in the summer window. 

Fair enough that's quite subjective. However I think it would be a stretch to call it a strong window. Two utter clangers, and one of the good players missing 40 percent of the games, and only Hyam vastly improving the first 11. That's not a great window. 

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

I understand people want quick signings in the window but very few clubs actually do this. The time to judge is end of the window and the rest of he season

Again I refer to the points above! Given the history of the club no wonder people are worried and disappointed we aren't getting bodies through the door. Yes the result at the end of the window matter more however good additions early on could give us an edge in a few games. And I think we can clock how it's gone as a window before the end of the season.b

21 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

I am sure Rovers will strength and bring in the right players before the transfer window ends. People need to calm down and don't over reaction to every link or players mention in the media. I can understand the frustration that we haven't signed anyone but @JoeHpost from last night about early January signings was spot on totally. 

Call me a grumpy badger if you like but I generally think evidence should influence my opinion!

And it's not as if we haven't had 12 years of misrule, an incongruous transfer policy (increase value yet contracts running down) and the fact we arsed up near the exact situation last year - not to mention imo an average summer transfer window -- to make us sceptical it will right this year. 

All of those things bar the transfer window are absolute facts. So I struggle to see how people can't see why others aren't relaxed about the window. 

52 minutes ago, martonrover said:

He might do okay again at that level. Certainly not a Championship level player.

If it's the one I'm thinking of j think he has struggled at Wigan at this level and also at Rangers. If I'm thinking of the wrong one ignore me! 

Mind you what we need is the right players. Kuqi was never Prem standard but worked in our team. Gestede hasn't really done much other than at Ewood. If you get the right fit then the players can make the step up if the role suits them. Unsure if that's the case here though. 

38 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I thought Sam brought Givet in also. Maybe I’m wrong with that ?

He did! Thanks for the correction. Loan with option to buy I think. 

Either way the point stands that he hardly spent his way out of trouble. 

7 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yes I do. Everton need to back him with signings to stay up. I belief that Everton problems aren't just with the players or Lampard but the owner just throwing money at the problem but no proper plan from him

Agree with the second sentence. Totally the case. And can't remember the last good decision they made. 

First isn't correct though - a good manager doesn't need a ton of signings to stay up. 

Big Sam only added in Diouf to keep us up (and had some injury issues too as I recall.) 

Hughes did get 3 players in but 2 were for peanuts and the third (Savage) was injured for a good part of the run in. 

Neither needed to rely on signings to stay up.