3 hours ago, stinny1 said:

Does anybody know how much Blackpool are offering  for Nuttall

I've heard Rovers want £400k with plenty of adons Blackpool aren't to keen at that apparently

Just now, davulsukur said:

He might be able to play any position in the under 23's but as Nuttall shows, playing Championship level is totally different.

He needs a position nailing down if he's stepping up. Otherwise he'll be another Bennett, average everywhere or Phil Jones, just ruined entirely.

He does have a position as an attacking midfield player or box to box which ever you prefer, but so did Trent Alexander Arnold, Ashley Young, Zinchenko, Wan Bissaka, Ashley Cole etc etc etc the now I'm not comparing JRC to any of these but the small list mentioned are just a few modern fullbacks who started out elsewhere, usually wingers or midfield players, the modern fullback now finds himself in the last 3rd of pitch and has to have attacking instinct and decent quality to deliver so understanding the game and other areas of the pitch is so important this is something not all players are sure about, this is why they struggle to adapt to different roles, the players with a decent game IQ are the ones who can play anywhere 

JRC is at the minute an attacking fullback as this is what he is being asked to do, the best players cope with the different levels he will make the step from u23s to 1st team easily IMO

1 hour ago, Sparks Rover said:

Good spin mate....you should be mowbrays PR man.

 

Defenders are coming!

Like I said IMO you have yours and I have mine

1 hour ago, davulsukur said:

In typical Mowbray fashion, hasn't he been playing RB in pre season? (JRC that is)

Don't just class JRC as a midfield player he can play anywhere and I mean it when I say it, (I don't know another player in League football who can cover as many positions) and I'm not talking just fill in but actually make it their own, he is a Swiss army knife of a player, he has taken TM by surprise with his adaptability and versatility and quality 

Just now, pick32 said:

Unless he wants to play in league 1 or 2 the loan window closes on the 8th

Yeah sorry your right my bad, he has until the 8th 

Just now, 47er said:

We sign wingers but we rarely play them! Will we ever see Chapman in a first team game I wonder?

I think he's well down the pecking order at the minute IMO, he is with the 23s again today against Southport, so possible chance to shine and try to get back in, he is up against stiff competition, there are no free rides

If the players aren't at it the young players are ready to step in TM has looked long and hard at Hart, Grayson, Butterworth, Magloire, Rankin-Costello, Buckley and he likes what he's seeing, Chapman, Nuttall etc need to step up or they will be left behind

If the senior players go on a run like they did halfway through last season where they couldn't buy a win, TM knows he has the players at his disposal to step in and this time IMO he won't let a run like that drag on and the beauty of it all is the senior players now know there will be a young lad breathing down there knecks ready to take his shot when it comes if he doesn't perform

Just now, USABlue said:

I only saw the one game with both player's.cameos, to me Butterworth shone brighter than Buckley, keep em both in house.

Buckley, Butterworth and Rankin-Costello (JRC especially has had a few) will be going know where, I know all 3 have had interest in loan moves and all 3 have basically been told we want you to stay and try to get in the 1st team

9 minutes ago, USABlue said:

As someone else suggested I would not be surprised if the hold up was down to Tony's displace the incumbents rhetoric.  City and the lad will want more.assurances.of first.team appearances, expect this deal to go south.

Tosin is waiting to see what else comes up, the window for loans doesn't close until 31st August, he's playing the waiting game, he and City will wait, he apparently has a slight muscle injury at the minute, the old slight muscle injury ploy hmmm

1 hour ago, OJRovers said:

Young center back Harry Soutter has rejoined Fleetwood from Stoke on loan.

I'd have been happy if he was the 'young loan' option if the city lad is messing around.

Did well last season and is 6'6 commanding in the box.

Souter no better than Magloire or Grayson, In fact he is worse, a big lad who can defend but no real pace and not as technically sound as the two mentioned

2 hours ago, Scotland1 said:

The one we missed out on was young Connor masterton he’s joined QPR but I think he was with Travis at Liverpool. Could become an excellent CB of his injuries clear up. 

No better than Magloire or Grayson or Wharton for that matter, just because these lads are at clubs like Liverpool doesn't mean they should be preferred over Rovers own youngsters and Masterson falls most definitely into that category 

36 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Is that just for Leagues One and Two? I thought this year the transfer and loan windows shut on the same day for us.

Yeah loan window for L1 and L2 is 31st August

My team for Bury tomorrow 

Luitwiler

JRC Niyambi Grayson Hart

Gallagher Smallwood Johnson Rothwell

Buckley

Brereton

Just now, jones_rover said:

Great insight, thanks!

Which of the above do you think would benefit most from a year out on loan?

And any that you most think could make a break in the first team this year?

To be honest I'm not sure, loan moves must benifit both club and player, if I was pushed I can see the the lads who've come through the academy all staying put and training with the 1st team, and getting game time as and when(I think Wharton, Platt, Nuttall, Lyons etc are most likely to go out on loan)

 if I was pushed with regards to loans with the 5 academy lads I would opt for Tyler, Joe Grayson and JRC, maybe, I don't think Buckley and Butterworth are ready for loans yet as any loan would be L1 or L2 at least and the physicality may not yet benefit them all this is just my opinion of course

An excellent prospect and vastly improved, it goes to show if you do your homework as Rovers have done you can pick up some real gems from the other Cat 1 acadamies 

On 20/07/2019 at 16:42, MarkBRFC said:

Hmmm.

I remember this time last year he picked up an injury in pre season with a similar diagnosis.

Let's be honest, he's probably going to break down again during his rehab, spend most of the season with the u23's  "getting upto speed" inbetween a couple of other "knocks".

Doesn't look good for the lad unfortunately, which is a shame because from his showing against Swansea its clear there is a player there.

 

He will most likely go on loan once fit, (even if still injured as loan window shuts 31st August) maybe Burton again as Clough really rates him and he was excellent for them when previously there

Just now, AdamRochina said:

you laugh but hes drastically improved

Some lads are not ready for the step u, I think Sam Hart maybe now, and I think having a crop of young lads like him around has benefited him greatly,  I had him down as one who would leave permanently this summer, I don't think this will be the case now

8 hours ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

Sounds that way, but where was he on Sunday?

He picked up an injury in Training last Thursday only an impact injury, he has trained as normal this week and will be back at Bury tomorrow in the right back slot

6-8 weeks out, so not as bad as 1st feared 

Young side at Mansfield tonight, there's also a game against Macclesfield this afternoon

My guess for tonight's team

Fisher

Rankin-Costello Magloire Grayson Hart

Buckley Travis Smallwood Rothwell

Butterworth

Brereton

34 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

You probably don't remember " Marshall's Misfits " . How he converted various players from their original positions as young players. Fred Pickering from being an average reserve left back to the second best striker I've ever seen in a Rovers shirt being one. Andy McEvoy from a reserve midfield player to a guy who capable of scoring 30 odd goals a season was another. There were other examples.

You'd think they'd be trying players out in practice matches all the time but who knows today ?

I totally agree that certain players can be converted and your right im a bit young for your examples ?and it's happened plenty of times,

but the player needs to be a certain type, it's not for everyone 

On 10/07/2019 at 22:14, Oldgregg86 said:

I was thinking before about magloire. He is supposedly faster than neymar and one of the fastest players in Europe.

who decided he should play CB. 

I am in no way saying the decision to play him there is wrong as obviously a lot of better qualified people who see him day in day out clearly know more but isn’t it a waste of his main asset.

plenty of players convert to different positions over the years, Dublin, Sutton etc.

i just wondered why or how he ended up at CB and not on the wing/ striker.

Seems a waste of a real quality attribute to me. Teach the lad to cross and shoot and let him loose . His tracking back would be excellent with his speed and tackling.

this is all probably bollocks and he is a natural CB but I thought I’d throw it out there 

Some players need the game in front of them and Tyler is that type, he would be lost played further forward its all about game understanding and understanding your role on the pitch not many players can understand the different roles and positions, Reading the game etc and positional sense, in the different areas of the pitch

he will have been playing centre half and right back all his life from u7 up, the speed is something that develops with age and its a great attribute to have as a centre half

As far as crossing and finishing the ability side of a players game that's something that is natural to a player, a player has certain attributes, you can nurture them and make them better with practise obviously but I think it's a bit late for Tyler to become anything but a top centre half, which I'm sure he will

From what I've seen pre season The formation will change in and out of possesion

442 out of possession, changing to 3421 in possession 

What I've seen so far is this, the right back or left back will get involved high dependant which one the other tucks around with the centre half's to make a 3, Dack is left to try and get in between the lines the interesting thing for me was Rothwells role he is asked to start wide on the left he is also expected to carry the ball if he can commiting players and pulling them out of shape if he can't carry he then tucks in narrow with Dack supported then by the 2 holding players the idea is to create overloads and outnumber the opposition in the midfield I think in these circumstances

the left or right back then provides the width on the left or right if on the right the winger will get involved inside or create overloads which means which ever full back isn't involved high will make the 3 at the back

When it breaks down revert back to shape 442, but it means which ever full back has got involved high needs to work hard getting back In with a bit of help from either of the holders

36 minutes ago, tomphil said:

To find buyers you have to go and seek them, not happening I don't think it'd be no surprise whatsoever to see them both start first game next season with the two newbies on the bench. I fear rotation will be in overdrive game in game out.

Rovers pay good wages and some some players on £10k/week plus

Trying to move players into L1 etc who are on this kind of money isn't easy as can be imagined so you're looking at Championship level and above and there won't be many takers for certain players who may be surplus so it's not simple moving players on

59 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Bell will be first choice left back.

I wonder if he will keep Hart around as back up though, as William's will be used in the centre.

Davenport can play left back to if needs be