1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Clearly TM did have a list of targets (I was told he'd submitted those to the Board at the end of last season) and he subsequently conveyed the impression upon his return from India he was happy with the funds available.

It would appear some weeks later as I've been saying all along that with the benefit of hindsight that funding has been insufficient to land any of the players he wanted and the rhetoric from TM has in fact changed substantially from confidently predicting bringing in six signings at the start of the window etc to being "excited" about the sort of players who would be coming in (funnily enough near the ST early bird deadline), to being "hopeful" of bringing in players with experience to admitting that we may not be able to bring anyone in at all in preference to Nuttall.

You don't really think by TM would leave landing his targets until the last week or so of the window by choice and play Russian roulette by risking someone else nipping in first do you?

We would appear to be in a right old mess. The only saving grace as far as I can see it is that it is still hopefully not too late for the Manager Board and owners to completely re-evaluate and put some decent funding in place to bring in players of the calibre we need.

I think the article released 15-20 mins ago on the Lancashire Telegraph confirms the ongoing rhetoric which hasn’t really changed...

The only benefit to TM leaving the signings of specific players to the last minute is that you get them for their real price and not the inflated sums that are being banded about. So yes, I can see why you’d hang on.

I completely disagree that we’re ‘in a right old mess’. The way I see it, if we finish up paying £1.5m instead of £3m for Armstrong, £750k-£1m instead of £2m for Bauer, plus maybe Maddison and a couple of loans then we will have had an excellent window and it will have been worth the wait. 

The fact of the matter here is that no one knows how much or little money we have. No one even knows who the targets are or why they haven’t signed yet. Let’s judge the window when it’s done.

Until then, I’ll be refreshing every social media outlet every hour too in the hope that I’m not disappointed!! Haha

Why can’t there be more balanced opinions? All of the communication from the manager suggested he was happy with the budget, knew exactly which players he wanted (based on ability and mentality) and that he wanted to sign them as early as possible.

Other than being unable to get them done early I see no change in that rhetoric. So why are there so many assuming ‘we’re skint’ or ‘we’ve no plan b’ etc? 

TM appears to refuse to settle for players unless they have the right character etc. So maybe, just maybe he doesn’t want Adulkan or Mcmanaman or Wildschut...

I’m getting worried too but surely we need to get to the end of the window before the hysteria kicks in? 

Oztumer!!? The guy has been apparently ‘lighting up’ league one for years and yet it’s taken him until now to get a move higher. A very poor mans Bradley Dack at best. 

Wilschut? An absolute enigma of a player. Had potential, never lived upto it.

lowe? Hahahaha 

I’d take both of our signings hands down!

6 hours ago, 47er said:

The activity on here has been frenetic, the activity by the club in the actual transfer market less so.

Is it fair to conclude that the owners have let the manager down yet again and that his inability to sign players "early" and not to rely on last minute loans is probably down to an inadequate budget that leaves the manager no room to move?

As it stands, the enormous impetus of a highly successful season is in danger of being thrown away. Its a familiar situation and fore-shadowed by many weeks ago.

I can see us struggling to be dragged into a relegation battle which would be heart-breaking after such a lift last season.

 

 

I wouldn’t conclude that the owners have let us down, no. TM and the directorship went out there with seemingly well laid plans and the feeling when they returned was that the news on budgets was good...

Hate to say it but I am coming to the opinion that TM and the directors had underestimated the market. It’s never easy to get value early in a World Cup year as teams start back late, sign players later meaning the trickle down comes later. But when you listen to TM over the last few days it’s evident that they are struggling which is a worry.

its a worry because we a badly short of people to create and score goals at the top end of the pitch. If truth be known had I realised we would struggle this much I’d have happily agreed to keeping last seasons squad and not signing a single other player because I think we were stronger then than we are now...maybe they need to reasses and go back to Venkys for some more cash.

There’s time. Hope we can add some good creativity and goals soon or it will be a long hard season.

11 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Well done on breaking your duck.

Haha - Ok mate. 

7 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

If the post came across as being in anyway patronising, it certainly wasn't intended to be and I've no idea why anyone would take it that way other than in your case for the purpose of launching yet another gratuitous insult.

There's nothing whatsoever wrong with everyone being hopeful but whether we have any interest in the player remains to be seen.

 

I have never ‘launched’ anything at anyone. Most of the time I just read. It’s unsurprising that you’d make the allegation though as for some reason you like to portray some sort of feeling that you know more than everyone else.

The people on here looking at the evidence across multiple platforms to discuss transfers know far more than you do. Please stop patronising them and us readers with your flamboyant but empty words.

57 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

It shows how dire things are when people are desperately clinging onto the hope that We're in for a player when the only evidence that We're in for him is that There's no evidence whatsoever We're in for him at all but it hasn't been denied either!

It's a mightily impressive piece of collective straw grabbing. Let's hope everyone is correct with the deductions  gained from their super sleuthing and that it's not just a case of putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with about six and a half.

Jeez, just when I thought you couldn’t get anymore patronising...

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/16356342.striker-signings-a-priority-for-rovers-boss-mowbray/

As if by magic...haha

The lack of firepower is a little alarming but TM knows that and has said as much this weekend. Getting the likes of Armstrong, Chapman and Antonsson in League 1 shows our ambition under this regime. They were happy with the agreed budget...so I’m happy to wait. Still think there’s a few who will be pleasantly surprised and others a bit red faced when all the business is done!! 

In Tony we trust!

Imo we need four attackers including at least one number 9.

Posh Chairman - The release clause for Maddison is £1m-ish? and has been activated by a team who were not in the Championship last season. The payment plan of the agreed fee now being thrashed out. Also confirmed it’s not Wigan. I do feel there’s a strong chance it’s us. I can’t see the ex Prem boys faffing around to pay £1m. Surely their budgets and potential targets are bigger? 

38 minutes ago, callumrovers said:

Marcus Maddison anyone?

Be great if true. We need some goals now...

City fans generally upset that he’s been allowed to leave for a few upto £500k as it’s very cheap. A lot saying they expected him to succeed Fernandinho and Delph in the first team!!!! Jeez! Master stroke!? 

1 minute ago, JacknOry said:

This thread gives an insight into his development the last couple of years - https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/jacob-davenport.320262/

 

Wow. Makes me feel even more positively. If he’s half the player the City fans, Burton reporters are saying he is then a) we’ve pulled off an absolute blinder and b) the lad walks straight into our first 11. End of.

20 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Unfortunately whist extremely commendable none of that is of any relevance whatsoever if he isn't good enough.

Out of interest do people see either Davenport or Rothwell starting?

Don’t see why not. If they’re good enough, they’re old enough. But I’m guessing you, like most of us haven’t really seen either of them play. So I guess we can all stay relatively positive and wait and see Hey? 

Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Does that mean we'll be moving Whittingham on ?

Must be...

A lot of people rate Davenport VERY highly. I’ve never seen the guy play but I’m excited to see! 4yr deal too...brilliant.

Lazar Markovich from Liverpool, anyone...

2 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I'm stating the bleeding obvious here but if there's a target you particularly want , and presumably you have already done your homework on what both Club and player want, you get it over the line.

How can you plan anything when you've no idea whether some  any or all of your targets will end up joining?

It’s not rocket science mate. They identify who they want. Initial enquiries to see if the player fancies it and if the selling club are willing to listen...but then you still have to actually agree the financial terms of the deal.

Its World Cup year which is always a notoriously quiet start to the summer transfer window. The manager and chief exec have been soooo honest with the fans. People just making their own assumptions because they’re growing frustrated. A lot of rubbish passed off as fact too.

Be patient. TM has given us no reason not to believe him

Can’t beleive the amount of people writing Samuel off. The lad is 23 years old, 6ft 1in and pace like an express train. His personal trainer decision shows he’s hungry to do well. He’s a confidence player for me. Needs to score early and get a run. But he has all attributes to do well in the Championship imo. Good luck to the lad.

7 hours ago, Butty said:

There was so many games last season I walked off thinking we'd played poorly but we'd still won. Doesn't make you a bad side though! Look at the season the Dingles have just had, my step dad is a season ticket holder for that lot and 9 times out of 10 after they'd won and I asked him how they played he'd say rubbish and that it was a poor game  stepping up a division we have nothing to fear, if we can keep the ability to get results when we don't play well it will serve us well. 

This is more like it. Yes of course, great teams win when they’re seemingly ‘playing badly’. It’s very difficult to do and luck plays no part in it.

Last season 99% of the teams we faced camped on their own box with the sole intention of stopping us. There were some games where a bit of magic from Dack etc would win that game but the vast majority were won by a team that would not give up. They dug in and finally made our 70% possession pay. I remember at least two teams starting with 6-4-0 formations at Ewood, several others deployied it during games.

Rovers were not poor (apart from those early games settling in). They were caught up in so many games where the opposition had no intention of playing football. That was the reason we felt deflated at times walking out of the ground having won. It hadn’t bern entertaining, more a test of the teams desire to break through.

Poor teams with one good player cannot achieve what they did last season. To truly believe this, you cannot understand what it takes to succeed as a team.

5 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I find it impossible to take your argument seriously when you're citing players who are no longer at the Club in support of your argument that We're going to be decent next Season.

This has nothing to do with whether they’re still with us or not, or next season. You made the point that last season rovers were a poor side carried by Dack. Iv now pointed out that having accumulated those points and goals along with the excellent performances from several players that it is ludicrous to say we were poor and inaccurate to say we were carried by Dack. 

42 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

I suspect there’s no way you’ll agree with 1/3 of what got us out of jail, but in terms of goals it was definitely Dack, Graham and Mulgrew that saved our bacon time and again. 

Also, on occasion, Raya pulled off worldie saves...

Also, early in the season, Chapman who made cameo performances which changed games, then there was Smallwoods last gasp winner at Fleetwood, oh and how about Bennett’s mom performance in Cm against Shrewsbury? Hang on, Armstrong scored 8 goals too...Antonsson started the season in excellent goal scoring form...

Amazing really, for a one man band!! Haha

2 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Thought the entire post was reasonable. We looked a pretty ordinary side carried by Dack most of the rime imo, even at L1 level.

Omg. If any person believes you can accumulate 96 points, scoring 80+ goals as an ‘ordinary side carried by Dack’ (or any one player) they have no knowledge or experience of team success.  

I don’t know where this ‘we were average last season’ rhetoric is coming from but I can only think that it’s borne of the frustration of grown men who are impatiently waiting for transfer news.

It’s beyond ridiculous. Laughable.

Just now, Scotland1 said:

Agreed we really lacked a spark without Dack so much so when injured twice he was still an option from the bench or started with a niggle expecting 60 mins from him.

I can see your point but there was a completely different context. 99% of the teams we faced played to stop us. This season there will be more space in the final third because teams will come at us instead of sitting in.