Can’t argue with the market - if the best offer he gets is from a Championship / League 1 yo-yo club, then that’s how he is rated in the game. Personally, I’m not surprised.

3 hours ago, J*B said:

Couldn’t agree more. Letting Lenihan, Nyambe and Rothwell leave on frees is going to financially burden us for years to come. On decent contracts we’ve let probably over 10M of assets leave for nothing, but don’t have 10M to replace them. Stupidity of the highest order. 

Hindsight-driven fantasy imo.

The last time they were sellable at full value was January 2021. We were pushing towards the top 6, every club was cash-strapped as there were no fans in the grounds, but it was a huge oversight to not sell three of the first names on the team sheet to imaginary buyers because it was obvious they wouldn’t sign new contracts during the next 18 months? Sure.

Anyone else getting the impression that Dacky is currently the fat kid miles behind on the school cross-country run? I doubt the new gaffer has gone back 3-4 years in his tape-watching so probably isn’t currently thinking of building the team around our cheeky chappie.

59 minutes ago, Jimmy612 said:

It appears you're tending not to worry about things that HAVE happened as well... like 5 of our regular starters from last season leaving the club.  Loans not being relevant as you tried to suggest before is a nonsense, as is telling us Rothwell and Nyambe would have been bit-part... that's just a baseless comment. 

I appreciate people are trying to remain positive and patient, but I think it's important we stick to the facts as well.   

 

The facts also include that fact that loan players leave at the end of the previous season and the next batch usually arrive at the back end of the window. So that’s two of the five I’m not worried about as it’s inevitable at this point in time.

I’m not that worried about Rothwell going either.

56 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

It is a fantastic way to get the team thinking about the game just solely beyond their own personal performance. 

It's also great because it makes the players feel as though their opinions are taken seriously and are valid.

Rather than having some gurning dick head tell them to play out of position every single week they've now got the head coach asking them for their opinion. 

Personally I think it’s more about getting the players to think harder and be more demanding of each other than a desire to take on board their opinions. And it sounds like it’s doing both. 

3 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Why do I keep reading on here attempted justification of the club’s inaction because brfcs.com would be upset if ‘player x was sold’, ‘if player y got a new deal’

The feelings of a few dozen folk on a website have bugger all to do with what is right for the club’s balance sheet and supposed operating model…

Perhaps because you misinterpret posts a lot. I was pointing out the use of hindsight, not the delicate emotions of the BRFCS cry babies.

1 hour ago, islander200 said:

They never sell players or get full market value for them though.

Like letting Armstrong run his contract down to a year.Similar with Brererton.The 3 that have gone on a free this summer 250k outlay on Rothwell, they all could have been sold last summer for some profit. 

Turning down the 15 million bid from West Brom for Dack the January Darren Moore was in charge of them.

Rhodes when he was here wanted out for a long time, bigger bids were turned down than what we got for him in the end.  

Mowbray was here 5 year...2 players of any value sold in that time.There was bound to have been other interest in some of our players, Lenihen to Sheffield United being one. 

They definitely don't look after their investments that's for sure.

 

 

They also don’t get the benefit of hindsight that your analysis relies on. I don’t remember any clamour on here to do any of those deals at the times you mention.

Getting £30 million for Samba and Jones, neither of who lived up anywhere close to those fees - equivalent to £130 million today I’d wager - somehow didn’t into fit your narrative.

While the result doesn’t matter, the game certainly does: this is their first real audition in front of JDT.

It’s interesting how things change. I’d been led to believe we had a squad so brimming talent that it was only the unique ineptitude of Mowbray that stopped us winning promotion at a canter. Now it appears that we were entirely dependent on Rothwell’s 3 goals, Nyambe stopping the occasional breakaway and a career Championship-level defender in avoiding certain relegation.

Personally, I think the outcome will be somewhere in-between.

Either way, he’s currently unemployed and earning precisely nothing.

1 hour ago, Exiled_Rover said:

It must be nice to have PL money. 

They've essentially written Armstrong off as a massive waste of money. 

Even if they get back £8 million, that’s still £3.5 million per goal he cost them. Chump change in every sense.

1 hour ago, bigbrandjohn said:

One thing that appears not to have been mentioned in the free transfer discussion. In the January transfer window we were in a solid play off position. 
 

Venkys decided to gamble on a good team pressing for promotion rather than cash in on three players in the window and maybe get rush replacements who take time to settle in. Markaday was brought in to strengthen  the attack. It wasn’t a bad strategy. 
 

All hell would have broken loose if we had sold the players and them screwed up.
 

We gave it a go, The manager screwed up, the players screwed up Venkys lost 10 million quid and Mowbray moved on. 

I am ready to move on. I know we won’t be pressing for the play offs. I am hoping things will be more exciting. 
 

 

I am also not convinced that the logical conclusion of avoiding this problem - selling Rothwell, Nyambe, Lenihan AND Armstrong last summer - would have been greeted on here with much acclaim at the the time.

35 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Firstly, no. It's their money, sure, but it's also the club's money. We support the club. The amount of money they get or don't get for players affects the ability to get new, better players, which affects our enjoyment of match days and the club's overall fate, which we are invested in emotionally. I actually think most of us care more about that than Venkys do, and they can certainly shoulder the losses so I doubt they're crying into their fried chicken.

Secondly, I could be wrong here, but I think 14 million is still above what they can put in for FFP calculations, and they just put that in to keep the club solvent. I could be wrong though as I say, not clear on the current FFP rules.

On the third point, they aren't mutually exclusive, and we had more time left on Travis and Kaminski to resolve those anyway. I notice you didn't say 'and Sam Gallagher' 😉 Maybe if we had made proper overtures at 18 months left like with those players, they would have signed and saved us the pointless expense of replacing them. Or at least we could have sold them to fund replacements.

But they had the opportunity to sell Rothwell in January and didn’t take it. Knowing that, I can’t see they’d have sanctioned selling all three last summer purely on the basis of contracts with still a year to run.

And if we’d sold all three last summer, who knows, we might have been relegated. I think it highly likely they either wouldn’t have given any proceeds to Mowbray or he’d have wasted them.

I have three thoughts on the letting three players go for nothing. Firstly, isn’t the financial side more of a worry for the people who pump in £20 million/year than it is for us? Secondly, if we’d sold them this time last year, I think it more than likely the only beneficiaries would’ve been the people who would probably have pumped in only £14 million vs £20 million. Thirdly, I’d much rather have re-signed Kaminski and Travis and lost those three rather than vice versa.

1 hour ago, DE. said:

The fact he and Lenihan chose to leave in spite of the JDT new dawn suggests they still have huge doubts over the long-term ambition and viability of the club as a genuine promotion prospect

Or….they can get more money elsewhere, just like Lucas Neil did.

1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

How many opposition players have given him a chasing ? Not many, if any

The ones who exploited his poor awareness and never went near him in the first place.

No matter what we think of the three of them, personally I think there a good chance JDT wouldn’t have fancied any of them, and pretty much a certainty he’d never heard of any of them before signing. I bet he isn’t losing much sleep over it.

2 hours ago, yeti-dog said:

Apologies if this has been posted previously but I found it an interesting read. 

https://totalfootballanalysis.com/head-coach-analysis/jon-dahl-tomasson-at-blackburn-rovers-202223-tactical-analysis-tactics

Rothwell wouldn’t have fitted into that at all.

3 hours ago, Displaced Rover said:

I've been toying with returning as a season ticket holder for the first time since 2012 (when I moved down south, not just because of the bald git). 

Doing the maths though, I just don't see how it makes any sense. Presumably, there will be a lot of midweek games (moreso than usual) due to the World Cup. Work and distance make that a difficult one. There's essentially no difference between me having a season ticket and going to 15/16 games versus just buying match tickets for said games. So whilst I will be there on Saturdays bumping up the attendance I'm not going to bother paying upfront. Now if the club wanted to be clever, I'm sure they could increase their upfront/guaranteed cash flow by thinking outside the box and offering a weekend only ticket or a 16 game ticket etc. 

I’ve thought for a while that the concept of season tickets at a club where there will always be seats available is past its sell-by date.
Pre-Sky, night matches were an exciting rarity, usually FA Cup replays, League cup ties and the odd rearranged league game. The number of scheduled midweek games now plus Sky-enforced rearrangements effectively makes ST’s redundant as a cost-saving for anyone who lives a distance away, works shifts or has a full and enriching social life.

5 hours ago, KentExile said:

.. quite why he couldn't provide a few assists from set pieces for Rovers is a mystery though eh?

Not really, Rothwell took them all, which is where most of his assists came from.

I think it’s fairly obvious by now that Waggott has cash flow targets, not attendance targets, and those most likely haven’t been eased any because of the cost of living crisis. What gets measured gets done. The Williams price cut was driven by a prioritization of attendances over income in order to make us more attractive for televised games, which drove much more income.

First impressions count, even when pulling faces about steak bakes.

After five years of Mowbray, there’s an entrenched culture in that dressing room that he’s not going to change with smiles and sharing his story. I’m expecting shock therapy and fairly soon.

21 minutes ago, Theaxe15 said:

He’ll be out of his comfort zone now his 2nd dad isn’t in charge anymore. Would not surprise me if he gets benched early on this season, especially if he’s anything like how he was end of last season

If the new boss wants to get their full attention, he’d sell Dack during pre-season, then they’d all be clear that no-one is safe. I don’t think Dack will ever get back fit enough for this guy.

Something tells me he won’t take to being addressed as “Gaffer”.