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10 hours ago, glen9mullan said:
Further turmoil , wonder what fabricated statement the club will put out now, now that VH London are under investigation
https://www.easterneye.biz/india-to-seize-hatchery-firms-assets-over-forex-rule-violation/
Glen can you please advise what does this mean for Rovers, how many assets have been seized & surely now they've no choice but to sell?
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One name I'll throw out there I would go delirious if we bid for Vincent Aboubacar! 👍
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4 hours ago, jim mk2 said:
They're low down the list because they're obviously not first choice. We know who those players are. So at best, they're 3rd or 4th choices, which makes them C or D listers.
The question is, now you've scouted them on YouTube do they pass the "quality" test you were demanding?
Jim to be fair Carlos Villanueva & Grabbi would look good on YouTube it's not a platform to base how good a player is!
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8 hours ago, Swanson said:
Marius Lode got his work permit application rejected yesterday (no surprise). We were the club in the Championship with the offer, heard this from two different reporters.
Anyway, won't happen now.
This doesn't surprise me we have clowns running the H/O & immigration dept. How this country has come to this is shocking how they can't see the people making these decisions are totally incompetent how these people carry on delaying JDT's work permit & then did international clearance separately then processed his assistants application separately & made the same mistakes the whole application to come & stay in this country is a joke would be better to send the HS on a one way ticket to Rwanda.
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I know it's been a while not sure how realistic this is would very much like to go for Bristol City wonderkid Massengo played vs Cardiff today was absolutely immense contract runs out in the summer has refused to sign another good energy would be an excellent signing & at 24 loads of time to improve thoughts
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1 hour ago, Paul Mellelieu said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Stansfield
Been around the world...
1 hour ago, Sparks Rover said:Ye but people hold on...he might be great
Brilliant 😂😂 Glen perhaps we could get Lisa to come along & improve the half-time entertainment she has after been around the world 😅😅😅😅😅
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5 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:
far to early to make predictions on where I think we will finish when we will make signings and whether BBD leaves or not.
Where we finish last season has no bearing on this coming season when the championship is very different with different teams in the league, playing squad very different and a number of managerial changes for a number of examples.
You know what they say Chaddy sit on the fence too long you get splinters in your a***
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Good grief that puts paid to that didn't think he'd be on as much as that shame really I don't think he's worth that much in wages
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4 minutes ago, davulsukur said:
Nar, not even remotely realistic I'm afraid.
Do you think he might be too expensive?
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I don't know if this is realistic I hear Man Utd are close to tieing up a deal for a new European LB I would very much like to see us go for Luke Shaw quality LB formerly of Southampton always liked him could be a good addition what does everyone think
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1 hour ago, J*B said:
yeah thats what I mean - that sky has streaky clouds. Maybe it changed in 30 minutes but thats not over brockhall at the mo!
I have gorgeous blue skies here just about to peg out my washing 😉
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2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:
I dont recall reading that but may have missed it. Where did he say it?
Towards the end of last season where he said he was going then decided to stay & see who the new manager was but said he couldn't wait around forever then a week later he was gone
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53 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:
Did Lenihan state that?
Yes he did he said he couldn't wait any longer
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9 hours ago, EgyptianPete said:
Bit of a strange comment there, Venkys have learnt nowt in 12years, Glen clearly states that they the Venkys intervened to get GB who in turn got JDT, so no we clearly didn't stumble on GB/JDT, I agree yes it was just about in time but a little credit even though loathe to give it.
I think we all know the way they came about GB was by chance more than anything I give credit where it's due thanks to GB we appointed JDT I have my doubts we would've got there otherwise I'm just glad we have someone who knows what he's doing but my main gripe before GB came in the length of time we took to hire a dof & Head Coach shows Venkys have learnt nothing in 12 years then when GB comes in things change & a new Head coach follows shows how it should be done & who knows if we'd got a dof & Head coach sooner we might've been able to keep hold of Rothwell & Lenihan even Lenihan stated he couldn't wait any longer for us to sort ourselves out now the new guy will be scrambling around trying to replace the players we've lost but I give credit where it's due at least by some miracle we've got the right people into the club don't know how but we've got there
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2 hours ago, glen9mullan said:
This is wrong
The model of DOF and Manager is universally accepted, it was pointed out at day 1 once Mowbray's departure was confirmed.
Dont forget rovers appointed Park around 6 or 7 months ago, this was to be long term not short term, his role very much player recruitment.
The DOF was never going to have input in the managerial appointment. This has been widely reported throughout.
SW made a complete hash of the search.
GB was found after a headhunter was appointed a couple of weeks ago due to concerns that wheels were not moving and a complete lack of confidence from India was very apparent. This is not the first time the Raos own advisors have recommended an interception.
Broughton was brought to the Raos and spoke directly to them, who sold the vision, not SW. He was asked to get involved by them on the manager search front, as it was failing massively. He came up trumps straight away without any objections from SW and we've appointed now a credible DOF and Manager.
I'm not overly concerned what SW says on the matter and may ask to see him myself this week, armed with the written literature and ask why we made such a balls up of the process.
Employing people in your response to Josh is condescending, and what thats got to do with anything i dont know.
Fyi lots on here are established, astute business men.
I myself have been a director and shareholder at some large companies, including at one of the biggest employers in the area circa 900 employees, who in turn was one of rovers biggest sponsors.
There is lots of positives in these appointments, and one or two other things
However how the ship is being run is amateurish at best.
Hearing Greg Coar has also gone (another long term, loyal employee) is another blow.
I'm sure your efforts are well meaning, and if anything you get more grief due to others in your crew constantly sucking everything off on other social media platforms which is doing more damage to your cause than good.
To be clear, everyone wants this latest chapter to be the best in the book, but be under no illussions, there has not been a shift in opinion. Absent supporters remain absent. New supporters will always come, and others walk away. However i have seen zero to get the thousands who walked away back, its more a defeatist attitude of "oh well they are gone, let's try and attract new
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Well said Glen, it gives us a picture of what is going on it also proves Venkys have learnt nothing in 12 years thank God by chance we've stumbled across GB who in turn found JDT just in time
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4 hours ago, 1864roverite said:
Questionable?
we won’t replace Mowbray with anyone above the likes of a Grayson level!
we won’t have a budget!
we won’t sell 2k season tickets !
we will promote Venus into head coach!
we will not have a decent pitch to play on !
there will be no investment !
we won’t have a sports science department
venkys are not bothered and have pulled the financial clout ! They have turned the taps off!
This list is not exhaustive but is reflected by commentators on this forum, just go back and have a read and you will see them. There are more like, Benson is shite, Lowe is useless (I agree on this point I may add), Waggot is a clown and doesn't know his arse from his elbow, Pasha is a no mark venkys puppet and so on.
There is a constant air of negativity from so called "hardenend" Rovers supporters, especially on this forum.
Don't get me wrong, the last 12 years have shown incompetence on a grand scale, money frittered away, money going missing, agents at work screwing the club, players stealing a wage aka living, astronomical wages, poor leadership and shocking managerial decisions added to gross incompetence off the park.
Yes there has been a total shit show by the owners of our club which has rightly brought angst, anger, despair, more anger and even rage, it has forced fans away from the club and yet, they remain at the helm, funding the club, holding their debt, paying the wages, sustaining the club through a pandemic and please don't quote other clubs have done the same, just ask Derby fans how they feel about their own club and its current status.
You are wrong to assume Steve Waggot is my friend, so very wrong it is surprising the comment came from you as your posts often come across as being those of a smart person. You don't know me, neither me you, but I am sure we have shared and probably still do, strong feelings about BRFC.
To think that I hang on every word SW says to me is a little disrespectful. I am not one of those who simply listens to his utterings and go away thinking the world is ok in the world of BRFC. I am a little bit more intelligent than perhaps you give me credit for.
Let me enlighten you a little. Before I ventured to Ewood to see him last year, we had exchanged a large number of emails where I had outlined my own concerns and views on BRFC. I was armed with all sorts of research, I spoke with many, some from this forum, exchanged emails, read various accounts, weeded the wheat from the chaff in respect of what was right and what was utter shite, what was the truth rather than speculation, researched SW himself, spoke to Coventry and Charlton fans about him, I listened to his talks on LinkedIn and I spoke to people who have worked with him over 25 years to gauge what kind of person he was going to be when I conversed with him. I must add, that as an experienced investigator and interviewer, I was pretty much armed with everything that I needed.
Before the Cardiff game last season he gave me 3 hours of his time pre match, which in itself showed he actually cared about taking time out to speak to a supporter face to face, man to man before a home game and in which he put me first rather than the Cardiff executives. I know he had taken in various fans forums as well as meeting with other supporters. And this is the best bit, I had actually spoken to some who had attended such meetings just to see if the message was going to be tittle tattle, similar or with or without any foundation - in other words it was to seek out the bullshit.
My first meeting was very well received, I didn't just meet him, I met with other figures at the club. I learned a lot about him during that meeting and I will say that he was open, brutally honest, told me things perhaps he shouldn't have (and to this date have remained confidential) and told me about the future changes he was beginning to oversee at the club as it began to recover from the covid pandemic. I was shown in black and white, a blue print for the future, how he saw the club in the future and not just for 2023/24 but beyond, the plans by the owners, the plans around Ewood and the future of the Academy. We talked about many things from St sales, the home crowd, the Ewood experience, the community links, commercialism, food and drink inside the ground, the supporters club, communication, The Blues Bar and many other things. Armed with all of my research, I was happy with everything that he said and told me. I didn't suspect nothing apart from a willingness to make BRFC a better experience to to try and right the wrongs of what has gone before.
My next meeting was even better in some respects. I managed to speak to two players, the groundsman, other staff at the ground and two very well respected ex-players who were there before I met with those inside Ewood. Again, armed with everything that I needed added to what we had spoken to before, SW spoke with added enthusiasm about future plans. I saw for my own eyes the developments in the behind the scenes work, I was fully updated with what was happening with recruiting staff in particular the process of finding the new manager. I was given an insight as to how it would be approached and so it proved in the appointments we have seen across the backroom staff.
I might add that I shared my findings with a select few before even mentioning what I had done for two reasons, to see if there was anything to corroborate what I had been told as being factually incorrect and then also to establish just how much, if there was, bullshit had been spouted with a view to placating a concerned fan. Some of those exchanges will forever remain in confidence because I do not want to expose the link that I have to all things at the club!
So, back to your opening gambit. Yes I do think there are times when the club needs defending but let me also say, there are times when the club needs to brought to account and when that is the case, rest assure, I am more than happy to let the club know my feelings which will be consummate with other supporters who have the same concerns.
You can say all the negative things you want about Steve Waggot as he is the CEO. He knows he has to broach and improve communications at the club, he knows he has to engage the home supporters and he damn well knows that he has to seek the balance as regards match ticket/season ticket prices. He is fully aware Ewood needs more than just a lick of paint and he knows more than ever the home fans need an Ewood experience to be proud of. These are all things that we have spoken about and not just him.
Rovers were actually caught by surprise with Mowbray's outburst when he announced his intention of not seeking to speak to the club, they were even further disappointed with comments that were attributed to him in another media publication hence why he found himself on gardening leave and out of pocket! It was at that point, Rovers set about the process of a change of direction for on field activities and now it is all sorted. They knew they were losing three backroom staff and they knew they had to replace and reinvigorate the scouting team set up to go alongside the new model.
He knows there are major issues with fans wanting cheaper tickets and I agree, I am one of them but at the same time there has to be a bit of a reality check on finances when money only goes so far and priorities have to be put in place.
Commercial wise, I would now expect a better service and operation with a new manager in place - it isn't about cut backs as some might claim, it is about progressing the off field activities and making sure the club operates at a better level. Kits are now almost ready for next season and will be released sooner than we have ever seen, the whole aspect of the commercial side is undergoing a full review from the corporate prices, food offers and drinks in corporate facilities and on the concourses. I as well as many others have pointed out that paying £350 for a pie that is as solid as a rock is not value for money especially when you can get two for that price opposite the ground. Charging fans for the Blues Bar entry is so very wrong, the price of a pint is not too bad but could be cheaper if the fans are encouraged to come to the ground, pre match entertainment outside the Blackburn End has shown it will entice supporters to the ground early rather than head to the moorgate where the music puts you off as its too loud for a chat, it is this kind of topic we talked about.
Ticket prices are a must to be targeted and for all sorts of reasons, he understands this and is constantly looking at it although this brief is for the TO manager who has so far failed to listen to fans, I am at a loss why he or the club have failed to responds to the Trust letter with what I consider to have contain some excellent proposals.
I hope that I have put my POV across as to why I defend the club as I do!
Well said pal!
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23 hours ago, glen9mullan said:
I think, reading the responses to his appointment, this appointment has got most people in the "overthemoon" category.
Its 100% a coup, more than what appeared to be possible given rejections and other names linked.
Tickets are now flying off the shelf, they are both saying the right things and optimism is probably at its highest since the Raos were introduced to the rovers faithful on the pitch.
I've not seen any post of people being underwhelmed.
Its a massive step or two in the right direction, but not the only steps neededm
Lets all hope its a new dawn and the good times start to roll, and we really become a serious proposition once more
Well said Glen I think the process has taken too long but we've got Head coach in who has won the biggest trophy in European football the Champions league as well as taking a team to the knock out stages of that competition he has a fantastic pedigree at last we are attracting a quality manager I ask myself what do people want I reckon if we signed Messi someone would moan we've done well to appoint a decent manager who I'm sure will do very well 👍
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3 hours ago, J*B said:
JDT obviously had a better playing career than Mowbray… but is it wild to suggest he’s had a better managerial career as well?
Of course he has this guy has got his team to the Champions League TM hasn't been anywhere near that level!
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3 hours ago, Tom said:
Did Fielder replace Greg Coar
Whats Tom Finn up to these days? He’d be the best appointment we could make as a club
Tom I'd personally have Tom Finn & JW back tomorrow proper club representatives who would turn this round no probs
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5 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:
Agree entirely.
They never really seem to have understood the importance of hiring the best manager they can possibly get, probably assuming it's a job anyone can do give or take so why pay over the odds?
A completely false economy in the general scheme of things. This insistence on Lowe Johnson and Benson staying (if true) takes it to a whole new level. If Waggott had had anything about him he should have put his foot down from the off and told them we wouldn't get a top class candidate unless they were allowed to bring in their own staff.
Spot on Rev I'm surprised no-one has told them no self-respecting manager would accept those conditions it's staggering they haven't understood this after 12 years of chaos! 🙄
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16 hours ago, Miller11 said:
@1864roverite here’s my thoughts following my interactions with those at the club.
Despite some ill tempered run ins in the past, I find Steve Waggott is approachable and attentive. He asks the right questions and seems to want to improve things. Whether his hands are tied, or he’s just giving lip service, the improvements don’t come and very little materialises.
He clearly has very specific financial targets. Making minimal savings seem to be far more of a priority than league position, commercial growth, or fan engagement. It’s pennywise, pound foolish, just like our wage structure… more on that later.
A prime example is our differing views on the catering at Ewood. To me, Sodexo offer crap service and crap products, I’d like to see a much more imaginative offering. To him it’s cost effective and easy to tender it out, he sees the long term deal with them as good business.
In my opinion, Waggott spreads himself too thin. He seems to spend more time at his Brockhall office than his Ewood office. Maybe he likes the whole back and forth with agents better than the day to day running of operations. Perhaps this will be remedied somewhat by the appointment of Broughton, but that leads us on to another issue…
I’ve long since thought the structure at the club is an absolute mess. It’s completely convoluted and unclear. We do know that Venky’s have the final say, and I strongly suspect they are micro-managing via Pasha. This leads to things being done at a glacial pace, or not at all. Mowbray’s parting comments all but confirmed this. As soon as he is no longer interested in self preservation, we got the truth of the matter. He was desperate to tell us Waggott has no real power, rather than banging on about Venky’s being knowledgeable, humble and supportive.
The club have finally started to make strides in engaging with the local Asian community. It’s long overdue and the efforts of Yasir have been fantastic. It’s seeing more tangible benefit than I thought it would. Kudos.
Enticing new fans and re-engaging with lost ones are two very different things that require very different strategies. Unfortunately they are doing nothing to mitigate the drop off of long-standing fans. I’ve discussed this at great length with people in the club. It’s always acknowledged and I’m asked for solutions, which I’ve made suggestions on. So far nothing has happened. I’ll be interesting to see if there are strides made over the coming months though.
Nobody at the club understands the fanbase. We’ve made a real effort to remedy this, from history lessons of 1960 to presentations about lapsed season ticket holders. I’m hopeful this will change, but not at all confident.
Here are some things a senior employee in a confusing marketing role told me:
- There’s nothing special or unique about Blackburn Rovers
- Kids aren’t interested in going to football matches, we’d be better off selling them NFTs
- Why should a child or senior ticket be cheaper than an adult one? A seat is a seat.
- Pretty soon nobody will go to matches, they will watch interactive things in their phones instead
There is little wonder there is such disconnect between the fanbase and club!
Onto our current situation… the jury is very much out on the managerial appointment. I’ll wait til it has actually played out, because I’ve gone over this in depth. If we get a good appointment, I think it’s props to Waggott. If we get a HSH pick, he needs to resign. In my opinion the process has become so drawn out it’s farcical. I can’t say for sure why that is, but I am not in the least bit surprised it’s happened.
All this talk of implementing a vision and long term strategy is trying to run before we are even crawling. Those idiots in Pune get no credit for not liquidating our academy, it’s been a money spinner for them, not an expense… but they are ballsing that up before our very eyes. Our supposed sustainable long term strategy is not working as evidenced by Lenihan and Nyambe going for nothing. Our wage structure is inflexible and nonsensical. We absolutely should have a wage cap, but the current approach is not fit for purpose. The can kicking approach we seem to favour of triggering year options rather than properly negotiating in a timely manner was always going to come back to haunt us. Pennywise, pound foolish again.
What I will say is Waggott acknowledged the importance of this appointment and that the club is at a pivotal juncture. How much he can actually influence things though is questionable… and he’s supposed to be our CEO.
As out of touch as those on the ground at Ewood undoubtably are, they still have a far better handle than 3 billionaires on a different continent who surround themselves with people who slavishly obey. Venky’s do not delegate effectively, and we remain at the mercy of their whims. They never learn and continue to be “badly advised”. It’s their own fault of course, they generally sack anyone who tells them anything they don’t want to hear.
Thats my opening gambit. Happy for you to tell me how and why I’m misguided.
Spot on sums up how the club has been run for 12 years
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5 hours ago, Herbie6590 said:
Terrific article pal
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7 hours ago, 1864roverite said:
Have you ever thought that the "best" candidates" as named on here and in media are not always the better fit for the club? I mean, I have been in jobs where the stand out favourites have actually missed the job because a lesser candidate actually showed an alternative view to the job which might just be to the benefit of the club.
All this nonsense about wages being an issue, all this nonsense about Benson - Lowe I will have/understand and the nonsense about being a lack of ambition/money or interest from those within the club is total bullshit - yes we have seen over the years the club spiral into chaos but right now, after a pandemic of massive proportions, the club is on a stable footing, we are not facing issues with FFP, we are not facing administration or a points deduction, we are not a Derby County, Bristol C or any of the other clubs that are facing financial investigations.
Yes, there are issues with season ticket/match prices, and I for one sincerely hope the club are listening to the likes of RT and I am disappointed that so far, I haven't seen a response to the letter that was so eloquently put together by those with a real concern.
So, as for the new manager to be, it isn't a grayson, it isn't a coyle wannabee cheapee, its looking like an alternative vision, something new so lets see how it pans out. There is no ruish to get the manager behind the desk next week, its a conditioning week, the real training starts in 10 days, that's when the manager needs to be in.
Yes I agree we've no idea how this will turn out & things may turn out well I hope they do & whoev it is will get the fans support however the owners are the big problem here if they'd started sounding out people for the Dof in March appointed at the end of the season & sorted the Head coach just after we might've kept hold of DL the biggest issue with them they dither, delay with every decision & still don't know how to run a football club which they should've done by now that's the main reason people are hacked off with the owners
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16 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:
Just checking in since I last looked on this thread and still no nearer hiring a manager and another 10-15 pages of waffle and speculation
We were down to the dregs in terms of candidates last time so what do you call anything that's below the bottom of the barrel?
A number of clubs have replaced their managers since Mowbray departed, some in a matter of days, and the length of time it is taking is yet another indication of the dysfunctional nature of our club. It just doesn't work like it should
Those in charge (whoever they are) obviously decided to let Mowbray go months ago but it's equally obvious they did so without any plan whatsoever over who would replace him.
No other football club (or business) operates like this.
Jim there are teams in the Rymans Prem Lge & other non-league clubs run better than us! 🙄
Venky’s, HMRC…The Plot Thickens ?
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Well done Rovers Trust to the point & well put across I hope you get a response & meeting before the 14th November 👍