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On 3/25/2017 at 1:49 PM, blueboy3333 said:
Oh dear. Read the earlier link you provided. It says that Fawthorp, David Burnside and Rosenior were in joint caretaker charge of Bristol City for 5 months. At the end of that period Fawthorp got the job even though he didn't have his badges. That is the situation Rosenior is describing in his book. He then goes on to say Fawthorp didn't last long which you are now trying to refute...and failing badly. Fawthorp only lasted 20 days when he was in charge on his own before resigning due to having business interests in some dodgy second-hand car dealership. So Rosenior is right when he said 'only a few weeks'.
Here's a link:
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Fawthrop's+bombshell+shocks+City.-a062364228
I'd give it up as you just keep digging yourself even deeper.
As for an apology!
For you calling someone who put up with horrific racial insults and abuse a 'racial fantasist' even though you have absolutely nothing to back your racial slur up with? Dear God. And I'm the one 'looking for a bite'? I'll leave you to it. You're a wrong 'un.
Oh dear... You don't appear to be learning.
The link i provided was indicative as given its placing in the position of my post referencing the vehicle company claim, i.e the details of that were the alleged "Business Scandal" which turned out to be not very much of a scandal did it Blueboy? In fact you've reaffirmed that by posting the same link what i posted after; by suggesting "Here's a link" have you not?
Interesting you denote the three caretakers, i don't remember abstaining the other two (Leroy & David) they took part in that set-up either blueboy? For your reference though David Burnside a white man also played for Bristol City and had a playing career so here we are with some of Leroy's claims that he played for bristol so knew the club, check Furnside, then it wen't to Fawthorp whom indeed had a record before and then even after at the same club in football but didn't play and went on in football at other disciplines/clubs? I fail to see how race still had anything to do with it given all three clearly had a connection in some quartet with the club and as a neutral surely they were on a level par to begin with, before Leroy's almighty exploits with Gloucester?
In the earlier link i quoted which you later repeat this concerning his book, he gives the quote in the article;
QuoteHe added: "When Tony got it I was gutted. Tony had never got a coaching badge, let alone played the game. He was a fixer, a handyman around the club and so to be overlooked was a blow.
Read more at http://www.devonlive.com/former-torquay-manager-leroy-rosenior-claims-being-black-cost-him-bristol-city-job/story-30192065-detail/story.html#Q0cZaooaZ8EXvhmJ.99Ok so We've distinguished Tony Fawthorp before and after was much more than a "fixer" as suggested by "Leroy" and that the other caretaker on level par at the time as "Caretaker" had a career also playing football and briefly at Bristol City the club actually in question. Given not just Rosenior and presumably David Burnside also got over looked a second time can we safely assume the appointment of Danny Wilson and the other manager "Tony" was based on perceived ability and totally noting to do with race? I mean Leroy's son Liam Rosenior was even starting his career around the same time at Bristol city as Leroy was about, maybe they wanted to avoid claims of potential nepotism? What would have happened if "Dave" got the permanent job would Leroy still be aggrieved that it went to Dave because he had a handful of games and wasn't a particular race? Given Leroy is ridiculed in 2006 to this day on Brentford forums because of similar claims i suspect so and like Gregg you can feel free to disagree with my opinion.
I requested an apology due to the damming imaginative mind of your's displayed below of which i couldn't possibly look to have dreamt unless disturbed severely, it goes along the lines of this and anyone half reading would have been at danger of taking this ridiculous "fantasy" post by you as being gospel, especially when you appear to be answering your own imagination as in bold. As for your comment of "racial slur" perhaps you can point me either in black and white or your imaginative mind where this happened because it certainly wasn't on BRFCS and i'd like to know if you wish to retract that statement?
On 3/25/2017 at 11:53 AM, blueboy3333 said:You know how big 'racial issues' were back then do you? Are you retired black footballer from the 70's who had a white girlfriend and was abused for it? Do you get death threats because of the colour of your skin? I think I'm more likely to believe Rosenior than you.
Are they not allowed to talk about their past? You make it sound like they should be grateful that they are no longer subjected to vile racial abuse and should therefore be grateful and just shut up. Very worrying that.
I really didn't expect this response to that article.
Disgusted to be honest.
BUT then again I've just reviewed your post history and you've form for antagonizing people in a unique posting style;
Quoteempty room. argument. you.QuoteFrom children crying in despair to guaranteed relegation. It's been a drama-filled day for you.QuoteBut, but, but...you've been here years. Boom TishQuoteblueboy3333 replied to preston blue's topic in Football Messageboard
You drop more names than Steele drops crosses. It must have made it quite a night when Joao knocked in the equalizerQuoteYou're a brave man from behind your keyboard. Do you mean the debate that is you calling someone a WUM for suggesting that next season, if managed correctly, could be better than this. You called that 'outlandish'. It's 'dog whistle' posts like that that add nothing to any debate. Asking for him to be banned the other day was just pathetic. Time to grow up lad and accept alternative views, rather than being whiny and unpleasant when someone posts something you disagree with. You have form for this.QuoteYou'd be the type who'd wave an imaginary red card at the ref if you were playing.QuoteAh, I see. Bloody princess. Good riddance.QuoteUnfortunately, yes. I'm sure you're chums with him. You seem very alike.QuoteI know, sob. One day I want to be dead interesting like you and praise myself for my 'well received' and 'thought out' posts.Then you have on this page of the thread admitting to almost trying to provoke/trap me.
On 3/25/2017 at 11:38 AM, blueboy3333 said:Please explain?
On 3/25/2017 at 11:53 AM, blueboy3333 said:Wow. I thought I'd just misunderstood the term 'racial fantasist', but no, you really meant it how I hoped you hadn't meant it.
I'll leave it there as I think your going or trying to be mod?
PM me and we will discuss further, no point in you backing up threads.
DunnFc.
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1 hour ago, Giant said:
How many more of these cryptic banners will the Slayer be posting? Sound like a Candle in the Wind, blown out by emisions from someone's backside.
My favourite newbie!!! Randomness!
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Just now, blueboy3333 said:
I didn't accept it, I just didn't bring it up. I wanted to know why you called Rosenior a 'racial fantasist'. You have now provided 'evidence' and it totally contradicts your point.
You're much worse than an idiot.
No you were inciting/insinuating something else looking for a bite.
The same Tony Fawthorp who actually lasted as caretaker for five months just missing out on the playoffs before being given the job permanently in May, the same Tony by the looks of things what went back to an academy managers role until 2006 after starting his career at the club as a scout/co-ordinator. i don't believe he was ever convicted either in the end of the business problem. https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Fawthrop's+bombshell+shocks+City.-a062364228 He is also now a scout cordinator at Everton so still in the game where as Leroy is where?
Hardly the case old Leroy Rosenior is painting out is it in that article. Who knows maybe "Tony" had a business arrangement with Bristol City. It defiantly doesn't appear to be race related in the slightest and comes across as a slant on this Tony Fawthorp. So it looks like to me a "race card" being played similar to the Ince debacle.
Perhaps ready for a re-think blueboy and an apology to me for what your were implying earlier?
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Just now, blueboy3333 said:
I noticed you changed the original drivel you wrote about the article not having any place in a 'free society'. Do you know how stupid that makes you sound. In a non-free society articles like the one I posted wouldn't be allowed.
It's funny being called 'out of touch' by a bloke who calls players who suffered racial abuse 'racial fantasists'. You need to give your head a serious wobble, and that's being kind.
I edited the initial post before you even replied. Not that it was edited much. It doesn't in a free society what is very accepting of all backgrounds,50 years on from the facts you are reporting and the article is detailing do you think that's a fair reflection of the great people in this country today? I don't. So stop trying to put a "Spin" on something what isn't there.
"Racial Fantasist" Two examples of what i have explained in detail, the two people who purport they were never given opportunities in the last 5 years because of there skin colour when in fact it's more down the a lack of experience, qualifications etc ... that makes a racial fantasist to me, YOU seemed to almost accept what i said on Sol Campbell.
Idiot.
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Just now, blueboy3333 said:
You didn't answer the questions I put to you.
Why would you know more than a black footballer what it was like to be a black footballer? How is Leroy Rosenior a racial 'fantasist'? You had a rant about Campbell but never explained why Leroy was a 'fantasist'
Leroy is another who plays the race card when things have never gone for him, shame he's an excellent pundit but was a crap manager at a few clubs which evidently is the reason he is no longer a manager. > http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/, http://www.devonlive.com/former-torquay-manager-leroy-rosenior-claims-being-black-cost-him-bristol-city-job/story-30192065-detail/story.html
You came out with that much blueboy i apologise for not answering all your questions whilst you tried your level best to instigate almost hate based heated arguments.
I'm off out with the family but enjoy the rest of the argument in your mind.
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Just now, blueboy3333 said:
Are they not allowed to talk about their past? You make it sound like they should be grateful that they are no longer subjected to vile racial abuse and should therefore be grateful and just shut up. Very worrying that.
I really didn't expect this response to that article.
Disgusted to be honest.
Well that's quite an assumption to make, infact you appear to be getting even more frustrated with your own fantasist assumptions.
No but in a progressive world/state which is making a huge effort everywhere in society to accept not just racial equality but male/female, sexual orientation equality too and i think articles posted like that serve no purpose other than to disrupt the progress of "equality".
Maybe you need to put the "Daily Mail" down from time to time pal. I don't like what your insinuating here and find your post totally unacceptable.
QuoteWow. I thought I'd just misunderstood the term 'racial fantasist', but no, you really meant it how I hoped you hadn't meant it.
You know how big 'racial issues' were back then do you? Are you retired black footballer from the 70's who had a white girlfriend and was abused for it? Do you get death threats because of the colour of your skin? I think I'm more likely to believe Rosenior than you.
I know exactly how these issues were rampant in the 70's but that the clue there... the 70's. 50 years on almost in 2017 we are a civilised society embracing and welcoming of all backgrounds. The article serves no purpose to today's free and open society.
Being creative with the past to suit a different era in the modern culture is personally what i'm against especially when instances happened like that in every walk of life not just football but strange only in football does it get an airing today.
There is a reason why it's consigned to the past and that is called progress within society what has educated people, become tolerant and accepting and everything else to make today better than what it was like in the "70"s. Suggest your a little out of touch with today and don't have the luxury of living in a modern enviornment.
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Just now, blueboy3333 said:
Please explain?
Love nothing more than being creative with the past and painting racial issues out whilst ensuring they get plenty of airing in a modern culture what is totally designed to encourage "equality" these guys don't help "equality" with flashbacks too the past.
In Sols case a self feeling of entitlement and it's amazing how wronged he always is because of the colour of his skin and nothing to do with being a talent-less idiot outside of his playing days.
See London MP and I should be a PL boss and it's laughable in Sol's case.
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Just now, blueboy3333 said:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/mar/25/leroy-rosenior-leeds-united-fans-shouting-sieg-heil
Cracking read, if a bit stomach-churning. The garbage these players had to put up with is beyond belief. Who'd have thought Leeds and Millewall fans would be at the forefront
The bigotry still exists, it's just aimed at different people these days.
Tony Finnigan though, don't mess with that lad. He probably needed the machete again after scoring that
30405060 -yard screamer at the turf!Leroy Resenior is one of the bigger "racial" fantasists, file under Sol Campbell.
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Just now, roverstdt said:
Out of interest after 5 games, how do fans generally feel about Mowbray now that the dust has settled a little bit, I know we can't judge him after 5 games, just asking what is the general feeling of him so far across the team performance, structure, him as an individual etc...Just genuinely interested!
Doing a good job with what little he has, including the players. Long may it continue until summer.
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18 minutes ago, Athlete said:
C'mom even if they'd been shafted once twice do you think they'd keep allow themselves to keep getting shafted.. No me neither
Ask Mortgage Mike (Cheston) as he is known as.... If he can't sell the land, he will sell your houses on brockhole or ST's for the coming season like Craig Whyte at Rangers did via ticketus... oooops he has done so already. that's money you have on direct debit waiting to be paid for or money your working hard at work for to be paid this month, Mike Cheston has already spent and loaned against this.
Track the flow of short term loans out the club... They don't go to the FA and who ever has the second loan... They go to VLL but hold on Not VLL pumping in the cash? So the club is loaning its own money and paying the interest on it to do so.
All the while VLL continue to keep its own overdraft and loans keeping it afloat...just by living off the proceeds in the last 12 months of BRFC.
Fast forward to 2mins 25 secs and see what Mike Cheston/Venkys have done for this year. Who said boycotting isn't harming the club?
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5 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:
I'm not one for some of the conspiracy stuff but I don't doubt for 1 minute we were paying ridiculous wages to anyone and everyone signed when the agents were 'sleeping at Brockhall'. It's in their interests to get the best deals possible for the players, and themselves. If there is no oversight from the people putting the money in and the CEO has also gone 'rogue' then there are no safeguards.
The club is still paying out historical contracts. The Portuguesers could well be included in those. or they could have had straight pay-offs.
Simon Vukevic was one that Shaw admitted to a couple of years ago, saying people would be astounded by how much he was on, or words to that effect. Cheston even mentions the historic contracts in this interview from last summer:-
No mention of the 'outstanding candidate' to come.
The Portuguese cost a million together with 600k stated on paperwork for fees.
In truth it cost almost ten times those figures the moment they came to the club ex. Wages
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41 minutes ago, JAL said:
What about Raya and Nyambe Dunnfc ?
David Raya - FA paperwork Feb 2016 stated his agent is Juame Munell Perales of Futbol XXI SL
Nayambe - FA Paperwork Feb 2016 stated his agent is Simon Conning of Simon Conning Consulting
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On 3/8/2017 at 8:27 AM, preston blue said:
Signed and professionally framed RFS shirt along with Certificate of Authenticity.
The framing is lovely by a mate of mine with a shop in Leyland.
£65. I will deliver in the the Blackburn, Preston, Chorley, Leyland areas.
pics?
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Just now, chaddyrovers said:
No the Barnes link never went away but at least we didnt sign him. Did Senior block it? Most likely.
Didnt know about Sam Rush but he appointed by Mel Morris.
Mustn't have been the right SEM link...
Jay Emanuel Thomas represented by Paul Senior's wife (Lara) was found on FA documents with Craig Honeyman, ex SEM.
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Just now, chaddyrovers said:
Smith was a loan deal wasn't before Liverpool sold him to Bournemouth so that's fall through.
Powell and Barnes were linked and I think Barnes was here to sign But it never happened. Senior probably block it
With all fairness Nyambe has been playing well. he been getting better game by game.
Who is the Derby director? and Have you seen Olsson paperwork for yourself?
Correct Smith was a loan. Still you pay a loan fee and wages etc. Powell/Barnes linked throughout the same summer too. Infact that Barnes link never went away.
I've seen the Olsson stuff, a list of transfers is available on FA website.
Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:Agents are a horrible aspect of modern football, no doubt about that. We got absolutely fleeced by them over the past 6 years, but there was a concentrated period when we were probably getting fleeced and signing more dross than anyone else. Venkys learnt an extremely costly lesson.
The unfortunate reality is that we will need to engage with agents to sign players going forward. There is no alternative. Picking and choosing agents isn't the answer either though. Number 1 is the focus on the right players we need to improve our squad and then work to deal with their agents. Every club is getting fleeced by them in one was or another. They are a horrible devious breed by and large though and a horrible by product of the money that has flooded the game.
Even though I saw it before, reading that article is so depressing. It strikes me though that the one thing that Venkys really made a mess of was picking managers. If they had have gotten in a Mick MCarthy or a Warnock our first year in the Championship and given them the transfer reigns. I am pretty sure we would have been promoted in a similar fashion to Newcastle. So depressing.
The issue is becoming a monopoly by those links like BRFC and Derby, i don't deny some agents are good but the SEM links need cutting all together and if that means we miss out on players then so be it.
I wonder if Suhail Pasha is going to answer this link on the 30th which names him as a Kentaro employee - http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Suhail-Pasha/-1981760026 Yet he is shadowing directing the club going by the name "Pasha" when in fact hes actually called Shaikh.
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18 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:
But they haven't played for us and most have been released by other clubs. I don't see where the profit for agents is in this instance? I can't see a signing commission/bonus for handful of no mark youth players being that lucrative.
Sliding scale approach... SEM who are no more but existing in the forms of Kentaro AG and Wassermann Media Group with notable ex SEM agents Neil Fewnings and Paul Martin now working for WMG pulling the strings in the UK.
Neil Fewnings pocketed 1 million after SEM went in bringing Murphy and Kazim Richards to the club http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2306573/Financial-picture-Blackburn-Venkys-revealed--Exclusive.html. Since then without the PL riches it's been a scaled down approach for the EX SEM men now WMG for Hope Akpan and Danny Guthrie, Elliott Ward & Wes Brown.
Most players who were with SEM like Chris Long, Nick Powell, Kieran Gibbs, Nick Blackman, Brad Smith have moved over to WMG. Now Powell and Smith were certainly linked to BRFC under Coyle including another WMG player Giles Barnes, whilst Blackman played for BRFC. Another disconcerting fact is, why ex WMG chief ended up at Derby as a director and signed up no less than 10 WMG players.
Every time a contract gets renewed, every time they play or get paid, 10% cut to the agency etc.
The Simon Conning approach along with his old pals Neil Fewnings and Paul Martin works very similar. Get Nyambe and co in the team for the apperance money and re-negotiate contracts for 4-5 years skimming 10% off.
Quite lucrative.
If it don't happen for a while take a leaf out of Neil Fewnings book straight from the book of Jerome ... Partner with a fellow agent, step forward Marcus Olsson agent HCM who on the paperwork lodged with the FA partnered with "Neil Fewnings". Yep the very same WMG man with the very same WMG linked clubs as mentioned above.
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Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:
What is a big contract for a youth player? Is Mahoney on his books?
Depends which player really? Reece Hands was another now been released by greenock morton.
It levels as some where training with the first team to some being moved to u-21 from u-18.
They got there hands on most which is obivious as to why, big appearance money, cut of sales, commissions paid as they all signed new contracts.
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Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:
Which players were these?
Multiple O'connell, Henley to name a couple.
He has got the youth signed up presently. You have to wonder what agent frequents Ewood so much including the directors hospitality.
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Just now, booth said:
Right name then.
Yep also Crown Football Group where he is director. Clients include Nyambe, Sam Gallagher, Ryan Edwards, Luke Varney etc.
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Simon Conning was brought in by Jerome Anderson as he was a SEM agent.
Jerome got all the youth to sign up to Simon Conning Consulting agency.
That's why some of the youth were on obscene contracts.
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Was this the tie in question?
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Just now, chaddyrovers said:
Cheston said this? Is he in the loop?
It appears that Senior is running the Football operations from start and end. Leaving Cheston and Slivester to deal with the admin side
On the recruitment side, Senior will be charge of this but I think he and Mowbray will decide on a shortlist after the season has finish and Senior will do the deals. whilst Mowbray focus on the coaching side of the club and bring in one or 2 staff like a new fitness coach or gk coach.
I somehow doubt Senior has any weight over Cheston.
Cheston will be the one running the show with finances being number 1 then reporting to Suhail
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good summary for leyton orient about there plight.
fit and proper .,.....
For you calling someone who put up with horrific racial insults and abuse a 'racial fantasist' even though you have absolutely nothing to back your racial slur up with? Dear God. And I'm the one 'looking for a bite'? I'll leave you to it. You're a wrong 'un.
The bigotry still exists, it's just aimed at different people these days.
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Always been intrigued by rushden they had a good team at one point with Lee Tomlin, Simeon Jackson, Adam Drury and a half decent newish stadium which has now just been demolished.
Max Grigg ex Doc Martins owner owned them, then spun it of to the fans with a million quod but the losses just kept adding up.