35 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

It confused me right away when he got a yellow. I don't know the letter of the law on it, especially these days, but for me it makes sense that although the player didn't intentionally handball it, the shot was going in the net, so the penalty makes sense. If you think it's deliberate, you definitely send him off I would think. If you don't, but it needs to be given because his hand stopped a nearly certain goal and the rest of his body wasn't going to, you give the penalty but no card.

Not the first time I've seen a yellow given for handball though, but I'm sure they ruled years ago that a deliberate handball is an immediate red. I think refs just bottle it, especially if they've already given a penalty, because handball intent can be hard to discern in real time, so they take a 'safe' middle option. Of course, this ref had the benefit of VAR.

Personally I don't think he meant to handle it, and his arm was in a natural position for trying to get the block in.

This is the relevant part of the law:

Where a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a handball offence, the player is sent off wherever the offence occurs (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area).

6 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

We’ve just got Kaminski back plus the two Whartons. Dack, Ayala to come back ant some point also. We might get lucky with Buckley before the end of the season. Thomas will be available again now.

I guess the crucial thing will be what their match fitness is like. 

1 minute ago, JoeH said:

Shot types are taken into account in models now yeah. It's not perfect and new models come out all the time attempting to be better than the last, but as an initial screening tool it pretty much gives you a very strong rough idea of who can finish and who can't. Then you can go look at the ones the data says are at least half decent.

Thanks again for explaining it to me 

59 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Mm, it was really close if he was. I thought he was waiting for a pass that went slightly forward. I suppose VAR had the slide rule on it.

Probably with United branding on it 😁

7 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

You'd say anyone down to 12th is still in with a shot of the Playoffs if they hit a run of form.

Norwich, West Brom and Watford have all obviously got stronger squads than us.

I'll feel much more confident if we beat Birmingham the first game back - that gives us a 7 point gap to 7th and some much needed breathing room, but it won't take much to see us stumble, especially with the teams we have to play in the run-in. 

Winning the first game ‘back’ will also help the players get over today’s disappointment.

I know what you’re saying about the teams we have to play but I’d rather we have the chance to beat them ourselves than having to rely on others to do it for us.

Of course it would help if Luton and Millwall could implode - they must have squads that are no stronger than ours.

7 minutes ago, JoeH said:

That's the whole point of the data science. It takes the difficulty of the shot, the outcome of the shot and provides you with the difference. Penalties for example have an xG of 0.77 out of a possible 1.

Thank you - it’s something I know nothing about

Is the data also divided (thanks rigger) into types of chance (eg header, one on one, inside box)?

12 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

We can't play at that intensity twice a week - April is where our lack of squad depth is going to kill us I'm afraid. 

Which of the ‘chasing pack’ do you think will benefit from a strong squad depth in this busy period?

1 minute ago, JoeH said:

xG differentials are the most direct metric available as a scouting function to search for strikers who are first and foremost high quality finishers of opportunities.

Are these stats ‘segmented’ (can’t think of a better word) into how difficult the chances were?

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I want pace and goals in the striker I think we need. Maja would be my 1st choice

I can’t comment on Maja as I know nothing about him but I’d prioritise pace over hold up play if we can only have one.

A good goal return is, of course, essential

51 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

do we have 20 million pounds to spend? 

my number 1 target would be Josh Maja

Nope,  but I highly doubt all strikers with pace and the ability to hold up the ball would cost that much 

4 minutes ago, Laurence said:

warm balls

Yes darling?

1 minute ago, Oldgregg86 said:

And nice hair 😁

 Let’s not push our luck too far!

I’m shocked that the two Manchester teams have been kept apart…

6 minutes ago, Mike E said:

Ha, City away. Serves them fuckers right.

It’s not away it’s at Wembley (I’m sure you know this really!)

Means their two loanees can’t play

23 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Do we not need a striker with pace not one who hold the ball up? 

One with pace and holds the ball up would be nice.

Oh and if he could score lots of goals too please 😀

7 minutes ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

I can't agree that the game should have been stopped for a head injury. Clutching there JDT. Not sure if he got poked in the eye but it wasn't a head injury so it clearly wasn't concussion or blood gushing out.

Just silly.

I thought the game had to be stopped for a suspected head injury

Maybe @arbitro  can clarify.

8 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

Thanks mate. 

Really bizarre comments, and totally unprompted, unless there was a question put to him that was edited out. No idea why he would say they have plans for the next manager if JDT leaves unless he was asked about it. 

You’re welcome!

I’ve not listened but maybe it was a clumsy attempt at demonstrating how ‘succession planning’ is part of his job?

Like you say though, don’t say anything unless asked (and possibly not even then)

2 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Each to their own but chasing after a lost cause you've no chance of getting to make it look like you're doing something isn't putting in effort in my book.

I’d say that is putting in effort - but at the wrong time 

16 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

Have you got a link? Can't find it on Sounds. cheers. 

4 minutes ago, Bethnal said:

Can’t share direct from Sounds. The program on today at 11.30, skip through to about 20 mins in

Is it this one?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001kdw7

3 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Imagine playing him on the right wing - clueless.

Unfortunately we don’t have to imagine it

13 minutes ago, roverandout said:

He needs an in-game management coach.  Someone who has some tactical acumen.  A Terry venables or Glen hoddle type figure.  I always say the same about Southgate 

Should that be part of Remy’s role? 

13 minutes ago, roverandout said:

MINIMUM requirement in the summer.  A forward who is actually decent that can hold up the ball, is mobile. A midfielder that isn't a Nancy boy who has affect on games rather than pointless sideways passes. We need to push the boat out in these two positions.  I want Gallagher sold.  Never want to see Morton again.  If we address these issues then we will have a very good team

I agree on those two improvements - plus replacing Brereton and replacing/signing Thomas 

40 minutes ago, yankfan said:

The law itself hasn’t changed but how it’s interpreted has. 
 

https://www.football.london/international-football/handball-rule-world-cup-2022-25428941

The interpretation has changed (your link) but the law already included a definition of handball (my earlier link) which didn’t include it having to be deliberate 

I’ll be making no further comment on this as I’m sure I’m boring everyone!

10 minutes ago, den said:

 

• Many times we see the ball hit hard at an arm in an unnatural position but not given as a penalty because he had no chance of getting out of the way. Rightly so IMO.
• Anyway. I thought Rovers were really, really good today. Sheff U will know that too.

I agree with your opinion, I think it’s a stupid law 🧐 change.

I thought we were good too, just unlucky/let ourselves down in some key moments.

As long as the manager/players don’t dwell on the disappointment I think we’ll have a good end to the season 

12 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I am gutted and heartbroken after that game. We played very well today and overall we were the better team. Beaten by great strike by Doyle. 

I thought our starting 11 played good and played to a plan. BBD took his pen well and it was deffo a pen by the rules. Szmodics finish was class and Gallagher with another assist and good pass. 

I thought JDT got his subs wrong and change tactics to back 5 very badly wrong today. I can understand why he wanted another centre back on cos of their front 3 they had on top, but I do feel that Wharton and Brittain couldn't get up to speed and tempo of game and that cost us badly. 

I am very proud of the players and JDT for this FA cup run and the way we played in the cup competitions. Its would have been great to reach Wembley for semi finals but now focus on getting a playoff place and reaching that playoff final under JDT. 

JDT is doing a great job here and above most people expectations this season. 

COYB! 

JDT's Blue and White Army 🔵⚪!

Them having three up front would have opened up spaces elsewhere.

Our substitutions should have been either to exploit that or just to freshen things up