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Graham isn't an impact player. He either needs to start or not play at all. No coincidence that he comes on and we actually manage a shot on target though. Before then it was only Travis' goal. Gallagher has had his chance and I'm sorry but he isn't the answer up top. I'd rather he didn't play on the wing, but right now if it's a choice between him and Graham in the striker's position then it's Graham all day long I'm afraid.

That's not what I said - shots on target. Doesn't matter how many chances you have unless you aim them between the sticks. You can't say it's a one off because it's been highlighted multiple times this season. It's clearly a problem. We don't have anybody other than Dack and Graham who are good at scoring.

We only had 2 shots on target all game so we would only have gotten a draw at best. Same problem we've had most of the season - plenty of shots, can't hit the target.

We've actually lost 4 out of 9 so far but that aside, can't see many people posting to get rid. Just disappointment over the lack of progress thus far.

Because TM always sets us up as the underdog team, no matter who we're playing. Works well against better teams at home and so far this season alright away from home, but it doesn't work when we need to impose ourselves on a lesser team. We fail to impress time and time again. We'll probably look much better on Tuesday against Forest.

Why have a winger play on the wing when you can put a striker there instead... right?

We did have that three or four hours when we were sixth. Heady days.

Sounds like he's been learning from Evans and Smallwood, just like Tony would have wanted.

So it's currently 9 league games without a goal for Gallagher and I barely remember him even having a sniff of a decent chance. When should we be a bit concerned, aerial duel prowess aside?

Are we seriously going to get beaten at home by two newly promoted teams? One was a bit embarrassing but two would be really sad.

Dat header winning ratio though. The lad seriously needs to start scoring. It's nice that he can contribute to other parts of our game but he's a £5m striker and goals are kind of important.

Meanwhile Boro getting demolished 4-1 at home to Sheff Weds.

Sounds familiar.

The same reason we're phasing out one of our most talented wingers and our young RB prospect I guess ?

I'm guessing because he won't be here next season and is being phased out. Wouldn't be surprised if he leaves in January if the Aussies are still interested.

Plenty of people in the English football fraternity coming out to defend him and his "dignity" whilst he was here - nobody offering him any hint of a job once he was unemployed.

I'd say more that. They've already conceded almost double the amount we have. I don't think we miss Mulgrew at all.

When a goalkeeper's confidence is down it can have some pretty serious consequences. From what I understand he wanted a move in the summer too, but Stoke priced him out of it, so his head clearly isn't in the game. We saw with the likes of Steele, Jake Kean and Eastwood how a poor goalkeeper can absolutely wreck any chance a team has of being successful.

To be fair until Butland's horrendous error they were actually playing pretty well. They don't really deserve to lose this one.

Stoke looking set to lose again despite taking the lead, now 3-1 down at home to Forest. They're digging themselves a deep hole to get out of.

Me too, ideally at least until November 30th.

When I saw Fosun were TC's biggest shareholder I did wonder how or if that would impact Wolves. If it does create a money problem then things could go downhill very rapidly there.

With their squad they should definitely be doing a lot better. Everything points to the players being utterly confused or having downed tools. Either way the only route out of that kind of situation is normally appointing a new manager. http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/board/2/stoke-city-fc Absolutely no support for Jones on here tbh.

Stoke are almost a mirror image of Ipswich at the moment. A struggling lower league manager who has made poor signings in the summer, a terrible start to the season and knocked out on penalties in the cup by League 2 opposition (Ipswich were beaten on pens in the EFL cup by Exeter last season). Ominous signs, although overall Stoke have a more talented squad than Ipswich so if they ditch Jones and bring in somebody decent they could get themselves out of trouble.

Stoke beaten by Crawley tonight... some kind of spiral they're in at the moment.