56 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Gordon’s had a great impact up there.

I didn’t say he hasn’t, what I said was the media scrutiny was very intense. Gordon no doubt had experienced that  at Everton so was somewhat prepared for it. Adam hasn’t experienced intense scrutiny From the wider media thus far. He’s flown under the radar in the wider football world of casual and lad bible readers, and I think the move to CP allows him to continue to do so. 

Not looked into what Flecks injuries are but I’m going to guess muscular, which could be a sign the intensity of the Prem is too much. 
 

All conjecture on my part, not knowing his injury history but if they’re muscular you’d hope he’s signed being currently fit to play and that the less intense pace (in comparison) of the championship might help him. 
 

who knows, if he stays fit I think he’s a good addition. 

The more I think about it the more I think CP is a very shrewd move for Adam. They’ve got a brilliant recent record of trusting young players in the X1 and giving them a platform to be expressive. The move also attracts much less scrutiny and pressure than say moving to a Newcastle, admittedly different fees but Gordon had a torrid time in the media following his move. Adam won’t suffer that I don’t expect, he can go about his business and continue to develop while testing himself in one of the toughest/best leagues in the world.  
 

I think the fee is maybe 5ml short of what I’d hoped/expected (25ml +) but then we’ve obviously found ourselves in a position where we’re begging from Peter to pay Paul 

I’m well chuffed with Fleck, the midfield has been crying out for more experience and protection. He brings both in spades and a bit of much needed bite to boot.

I’m interested to see how the shape looks over the next few games. 4-2-3-1 seems the most obvious with Fleck and Tronstad as the 2. Although I wonder if he seems Garret sitting with Tronstad and Fleck as the 3 giving extra protection in the advanced 3. 
 

With Dolan and Sam returning there is a lot of competition for forward places now, given that Sammie is a guaranteed starter. When Hedges comes back it could be really tight. Shame Leonard didn’t get a loan as I can now see him spending a lot of time in the 23’s or getting 5 mins at the end of a game which won’t aid his development 

10 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

Venkys' legacy. A young local lad who supports the club views bloody Crystal Palace as a big club and an honour to play for.

 

 

 

He’s hardly going to open up with “they’re a rank average 12-15th in the table every year but give me an opportunity to play games and make a big step up” is he 

1 minute ago, Tugayisgod said:

Glad someone's got some info cos we are getting absolutely fuck all from Jackson today. 

Come back Rich Sharpe

He was on a season long loan at Liege, seems weird they'd recall him and not have anything lined up.

1 minute ago, Tim Southampton Rover said:

A loyalty bonus wouldn't put on hold any move. If the move is wanted by both clubs then it can just be given in instalments over X amount of years or another way rather than in one lump sum. 

Sounds like the Wharton deal has been agreed and ready to be signed off. Probably just waiting for our lot to sort it's mess out before officially confirming. 

yep, it would be highly unlikely and totally out of step with how transfers are structured for the one thing that gets paid upfront is the loyalty bonus of the person agreeing to leave......... (again no blame toward Adam but he is signing a contract to leave)

To be fair the vast majority of meltdown and drama was on here, we have no idea what it actually looked like or what the problems were/weren't within the inner machinations of the club! History would point to it being incompetence/V's interference or a combination of both but we just don't know

4 minutes ago, Theaxe15 said:

Pulling double duty while managing Maidstone?? That would be a turn up for the books

To be fair he looks in good nick, bet he'd do a job still

Being taken the piss out of by a fan of a ‘soccer’ franchise. New depths plumbed 

11 minutes ago, islander200 said:

We contacted Orlando to say we couldn't go ahead with the deal 

McGuire was mid flight 

Ok, that makes more sense

The mid flight thing doesn't really add up, considering it's usually pretty difficult to contact people mid flight.

8 minutes ago, Tim Southampton Rover said:

What I've learned in the past 12 hours is that everyone is full of anger on here (understandably so) and that we all have no real clue what's going on and more importantly nor do most of the ITKs. There were so many rumours flying around and everything just gets regurgitated in a hope that someone is more right than the other ITK.

It seems like the reality was that the Wharton deal didn't go through last night as expected and this caused knock on issues for other deals for Rovers and other clubs that. This is normal part of football and I imagine will happen a lot today. 

I'm gutted to see Wharton leave but it was inevitable and is the model the club has been upfront about. Gregg & co. know the pressure is on them big time to deliver. Not just from the fans but JDT too. I'm feeling confident that we'll get some deals done today now that Wharton deal looks to be finalised shortly. Whether they're the right deals, I guess we'll ignore the ITKs and wait and see who signs the contracts (correctly).

whoa whoa whoa, don't go throwing around a reasonable explanation, we want wild speculation and hystrionics!

There are a hell of a lot of pretty wild assumptions being made here, for example it's as likely to be a haggle over triggering wage increases for England appearances as it is Adam not wanting to leave Rovers.

1 minute ago, Atko's Engine said:

C'mon, that's being selective just to suit your narrative, I'm sorry. Hyam was POTY last season, & this season was solid before injury (though I accept has struggled since coming back, probably still not 100% fit).

Tronstad has been a standout performer this season, deffo in top 3.

Nailed on Tronstad wins players player this year. He’s a pro’s dream teammate. 

Danny Batth has only made 9 apps this season, 5 from the bench so not sure we missed out on a right lot there to be honest. 

We’ve been crying out for a bit of a nasty bastard both on the pitch and around the training ground for ages. MacFazdean adds this, more than anything he might give a few a chasing and a kicking in training. His aggression from set pieces in training alone would do this group the world of good. 

If Adam is unhappy enough about leaving then he doesn’t sign a contract with CP.
 

Nobody has a gun to his head, let’s not get into hysterionics and paint a picture of the lad being frog marched at gunpoint into the PL and 50k a week. 
 

I’m sure he would like to stay until the end of the season but liking in an ideal world and reality of the football industry are 2 very different things 

Not the move we all thought he'd get first off but then I can see the attraction, at CP he plays every week rather than being loaned out or back playing U23 football. We know how good he is but I just don't see him playing at Brighton, Newcastle, etc at this stage, not down to ability but down to the competition and conservative nature of PL clubs. 

6 minutes ago, BankEnd Rover said:

Phillips off to Cardiff

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13022699/Liverpool-Nat-Phillips-Cardiff-loan-Blackburn-Celtic.html

We've dodged a bullet there, I've mentioned before that I follow Celtic (family) so watch most the games. Phillip's has been a disaster for Celtic, up there with the debacle that was Shane Duffy. His final game against Killie was as bad as I've seen and he had a proper stinker against Hibees. 

1 hour ago, tomphil said:

Wasn't the reason for the Raya deal being done this way all down to helping Brentford with FFP ?

Think it was the other way around, to help Arsenal with FFP. They can put the Raya purchase into next cycles figures, I remember them talking about it on the Athletic Tactics Podcast recently.

I see Waggot and Fraser Read have acknowledged (to some extent) they got it wrong on ST and looking at them coming down, also stating they viewed Watford as a success but took less money than normal. I find that hard to believe to be honest given the numbers that were there.

15 minutes ago, Ricky said:

We have a group of lightweight pretty footballers so are they really going to win their battles against seasoned pros who aren’t worried about getting kicked.

The Irish Foden, that has to be a joke lol, is not going to go flying into a 50/50 with an experienced championship midfielder.

Adam Wharton will be an outstanding football but we can’t keep ignoring the defensive side of his game which isn’t just lacking, it’s non existent.

We are very luck to have a bit of a buffer. We’d be screwed otherwise. 

I think this is a really good and often ignored point re Adam.
 

He’s wonderful with the ball however the gaps he leaves in midfield are criminal. Given the risky nature of the way he plays, he needs to develop his awareness of the impact of losing possession/not covering certain areas.  
 

For someone who sees a pass so well going forward he’s not great (or not bothered) at reading the game defensively. 

47 minutes ago, NeilInBristol said:

Got a link to the interview?

I’m rubbish with link on here, it’s on the radio lancs sport Twitter page, it’s about 4 1/2 mins long 

As I’ve said many times, I thoroughly enjoy JDT’s style of play and his philosophy but have become dismayed with his lack of flexibility, plan B or ability to recognise when things need to change.

For the first time however last night I thought you arrogant/smug prick after watching his interview with Andy Bayes. On the one hand he’s inviting media and  fans to blame him yet when questioned about the impact of being on the touchline or sat down he states that the most important thing is winning personal duels. I accept that all footballers are arrogant and that singleminded ness is needed however last night it was arrogance bordering on delusion and a total inability to accept his role in our current failures.

I’ve seen all the stuff on Instagram about the dressing room having gone, no idea whether I believe that or not however I can’t imagine the players being too happy with him throwing them under the bus when he sat and washed his hands of them second half.