Mate, I’ve been a Rovers fan all my life too. Iv gone through all the emotions you have. I’ve spent probably more than most during that time. But that doesn’t mean I choose to be cynical about everything. Just imagine for one moment if you stopped looking at the worst scenario and actually became excited at what TM is saying....wouldn’t you feel better in general? That’s me. I’m not naive, I run a relatively successful company and employ a lot of people. I know I can still be disappointed at the end of this transfer window. But I choose to be positive. All I was doing was pointing out to Chaddy that he can’t change peoples outlooks. Its genuinely nothing personal. We all care about the club.

Good for you buddy. I trust TM so I’m now going to be excited until the window closes. If it doesn’t work out, at least I’ve had a spring in my step for two weeks. Glass half full and all that ??

Yeah I agree but also insistent on championship experience and goals...intriguing!! You can’t get those types of players for less than seven figures can you?

Fantastic. Bring it on Tony lad!!

I think we will sign an out and out striker, an attacker / winger and a CB before the deadline with a possibility of one or two loans before the end of August.

Just trying to spread some love pal ???

If we signed Armstrong and Chapman I’d suggest most Rovers fans would be happy. So them being our D options means that either way we should end up being very happy by Aug 9th

Eh!!!!!??????? “We’re working away but would rather sign signing B rather than signing D. And although we can get signing D we will try and get signing B. And that’s why things can get held up at times.” That says to me that both Arma and Chapman are ‘d’ signings who are available to sign now but that Mowbray wants to persist with his ‘B’ signing (after missing out on the ‘A’ who went for £7m). How on earth do you see that as ‘pretty darned depressing’? ??‍♂️

Yes. Looks like his ‘A’ list was one of Bamford, Gallagher etc which surely means we have £2-3m to spend???

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I’d take Garner in a heartbeat. Reminds me of a Dickov type. Snapping into defenders. I like him.

Looks to me like they’re making the best of a very limited budget to pad out their squad. Loads of my mates are strongly associated to Bolton. I can’t wait to hammer them!!

That’s exactly what I read! Interesting

Likewise mate. I like the fact that whilst we both often come at things from a diffeeent angle your points are logical and balanced... in terms of the timing of the deals, they just get done when they get done. It takes so much to come together and this is especially difficult when the buying club isn’t prepared to pay over the odds. So ideally I’m sure TM would’ve loved to get his forward options over the line sooner but it just wasn’t doable. Not sure if you’ve seen Rich Sharpes article this evening but I read a lot into that. Basically saying that Armstrong and Chapman are way down the pecking order as they have not got the experience or goals in the Championship. Suggested that they were on his ‘D’ list and he was hoping to choose from his ‘’B’ list. I don’t know about you but if Arma and Chapman are on our D list then I’m bloody excited to see who’s on our B!!! ?

Yes mate, but your initial point wasn’t about Chelsea. It was about ‘Todd Kane’ and whilst it’s happened at Chelsea as you have pointed out, that is more about Chelsea’s business model rather than the players.

Good post. But the budget isn’t presented like £5m for fees and £5m on wages. It’s broken down but effectively the budget is is one number that is agreed and encompasses player contracts, transfer fees, Wages and associated costs. The one theme that I’m trying to get across is that you are always trying to get the best for the cash you have. Never at anytime has TM said he has big money fees. He said he was happy with the budget. I don’t think you can say he’s lied there. In terms of being able to afford forwards, it’s surely more about value for money. If you can get the right price for the right calibre of player then you buy. If you want a higher level of player for less money you loan. Managers pick their battles. Whether players are ‘good value’ or not is a matter for the manager and the club. Either way, the window isnt yet shut so who’s to say we won’t have spent a couple of million?

Sorry? You mentioned Todd Kane and I stated that Todd Kane (ie a player who has been with a club for 8yrs as a pro but has never made a first team appearance for them and been loaned out the whole time) - Is the exception to any rule. Surely?

The exception, not the rule... That’s Chelsea’s business model. But it doesn’t mean that every player is happy to settle like Todd Kane. At 21 with England youth honours in his back pocket Palmer must fancy himself to play in the Premiership? That accepted, he has to play well in order to either break into Chelsea’s team or get a move to another premier league team. What im saying is that he’s unlikely to want to come and let the world pass him by.

Exactly, the focus is on getting as much quality as possible in for your money. Loan or permenant. If you get the right group and the right level of quality then you have a great chance of being successful, and success = money!

Wow. wild accusations! What I actually believe in is value for money. I want the best possible outcome for the cash that is being spent. If we had £20m to spend of course I’d want us to buy Palmer, Armstrong, Chapman, Bauer etc...but we don’t. The options are a) buy lesser quality players for affordable prices or b) buy good players who you CAN afford and loan the good players you CANT afford (Usually forwards). You aren’t going to go bust with that logic. In fact you’re working with the best possible players for your money. And if your superstar loan forwards get you into a promotion fight at the top of the table, the exposure will likely put millions on the heads of your your permenant players anyway...

100% agree.

There are some excellent permenant buys out there. Like Davenport for example who has potential after a great upbringing to improve and earn the club money. However, these players are usually limited to all positions EXCEPT forwards, who generally come at a premium. A premium that we cannot currently pay. There’s a reason why last season we loaned the likes of Antonsson, Armstrong, Chapman and even Payne. We needed their quality for less money. The situation with Palmer is no different.

All pure opinions which can be flipped dependant on your motives. 1. Players are motivated by many different things. If Palmer bombs out with us, what chance does he have getting in Chelsea’s first team? Is that not motive enough? 2. The recall thing is either in or out of the deal. 3. If we have a good season but don’t go up do you think many of our top players will still be here next season? Lenihan, Dack etc...will likely be gone. The money doesn’t mean anything to us because it doesn’t get reinvested with The Vs. So what’s the difference? 4. Yeah maybe. 5. Fines thing same as recall thing. Negotiated in the deal but not every time. But what’s the alternative? Buy lesser talented players? Because we definitely couldn’t afford Kasey Palmers transfer fee... You can’t have all loans but ones like these are the best we can hope for. I for one have no interest in us signing lesser but permenant players.

Maybe to Venkys, but we as fans aren’t bothered about resale. We just want the best players possible playing for us, right?

What??? A permenant signing of this calibre would cost us £7m - £10m....which we can’t afford. But seriously, other than resale value, what is the difference for us?