Just now, Wood26 said:

Manager hates his player scoring? What are you on about?

No one here was at Ewood Park, hence I mentioned people that were.

Really? You don't say.

There was the time Mowbray berated Dack for scoring, instead of following the game plan or all the times Gallagher comes in from the wing to score. Frankly, I wish Gallagher would tell Mowbray that he is not playing out of position again. That's not the first time, I've wished that either.

2 minutes ago, Wood26 said:

My point was the person I quoted said he would pick same team and formation, yet was still blaming the manager.

I dont think it was right team selection and formation, I blame Mowbray for tonights result. But not the goals we conceded, they were players fault.

Mowbray fault was our awful first half, lack of fluid play, forcing Dack in, Gallagher RB, bringing on the City kid etc, starting Gallagher

I thought it was obvious to a blind bat that I was blaming Mowbray for the tactics. It wasn't the fault of the players that we conceded. We concede a lot of goals to being hit on the break and at set pieces. You'd expect the team to be drilled so that doesn't happen. Not Mowbray.

Mowbray must have hated Armstrong scoring in first half injury time, mustn't he? 'First half's not how we play'.

Nobody on here is reporting any shouting by Mowbray today.

Just now, Wood26 said:

Isn't that the players fault? You agree with formation and team. They clearly practice defending corners, but how much can Mowbray really say? Its the player who didn't win the header. Same with first goal, out of Mowbray control. 

Like QPR, Mowbray stuck Armstrong on their slug defender, it worked, he was all over him, but Elliott missed a sitter. Not Mowbray fault.

Why the players getting such a free ride?

Mowbray has said the team doesn't practice defending set pieces. Teams overextend and get caught on the counter. Most teams practice the counter to a counter to try to mitigate the damage. Not Mowbray.

Elliott's job is provide goal scoring opportunities for Armstrong to put away. Elliott's not the one who should been in the goal scoring opportunity. Yes, it was Mowbray's fault.

The players go out there and execute Mowbray's game plan or he shouts at them. No shouting at the players tonight.

1 minute ago, Wood26 said:

Agreed performances are not good. I dont think someone new will come in and get us up this season, so happy to wait until summer.

Even if we did go up, look at the state of us, the team would get murdered unless heavy investment.

So what?  £180m for1i season in the PL and parachute payment. Goes a long way to making a dent in the money that's been put into this club.

Someone new coming in usually does get a bounce in results.

@SB&Blue You really are a condescending patronising oink. Mowbray brought in to save our championship status -failed. Back at the first attempt despite Mowbray not because of him.

People on here are posting on the evidence of their eyes not being disrespectful. It's not our job to name a successor. We've no say in it. The way it should work is the new manager is approached and offered a contract. He signs and team Mowbray is shown the door. For all we know, people have been approached and turned us down.

To me , that team starting was the best available on paper. Certainly playing in my preferred formation.

We got hit on the counter and from a set piece. That is down to Mowbray. have to practise those two until it becomes instinct. Our speed merchant defender is out on loan. Whose bright idea was that?

The only young player on the pitch whom Mowbray brought through our youth ranks was Travis. Branthwaite, THB, Douglas and Elliott are loanees who have to play each week. Dolan and Davenport weren't ours. Mowbray is on record as saying you can't build a team based on loanees and free agents. Yet here he is doing what he said you shouldn't do. That's the opposite of integrity.

I never say anything nice about Venkys. So, even if the owners have what's posted on this board, they aren't likely to listen to anything I have to say. They won't. Venkys are said to be smart business people. I think everyone here wants out team to make money for our owners. I can prefer other owners, but I do want this team to make a return on the money invested. The only way that is going to happen is in the Premier League. The only way that's going to happen is to change manager, now with 18 games remaining.

45 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

🤣 🤣 Surely we couldn't get so lucky could we?

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Sadly, no.

Mowbray's worked wonders at Blackburn Rovers has he?

I wonder how we got relegated with the wonder worker at the helm.

I wonder how we didn't win the League One Championship title with Mowbray at the helm.

I wonder how this deep into the season wonder worker Mowbray still doesn't know his best team or formation.

I wonder why Mowbray keeps playing players out of position.

I wonder why none of the teams with managerial vacancies this season have not come knocking our wonder worker's door.

News that we're pushing on for the playoffs must have come as a surprise to our wonder worker given his recent statements and demeanour.

4 hours ago, Ewood Ace said:

Ditch the 4-3-3, start Dack in his best position, don't play with a false 9, give Elliott a rest and don't try to shoehorn the lad from City in at any point.

                                    Kamniski

Nyambe        Lenihan              Branthwaite      Douglas

                      Travis                 Davenport

Dolan                           Dack                             Rothwell

                                Armstrong

A decent side and better formation for the players. You do know Mowbray won't abandon 4-3-3. It's supposed to be his lucky talisman.

7 hours ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

They haven't canned him because he dances to their tune. Any manager that has done that previously gets a longer run at it than one who doesn't, and a lot longer than they deserve for their performances. 

It's almost as if they forget about us for most of the year, apart from when a bit of money is required to be pumped in, then when we do flash into their minds it'll be a "Blackburn what? Oh yeah, that expensive outpost with the simple old bloke in charge, we like him" type scenario. 

I do believe there will come a tipping point relatively soon though, because as much as they may like Mowbray the £200m (and growing) hole will require focus, and the "how do we start to reduce that gap" answer isn't in the Championship, where we will flounder forever more under Mowbray. 

Looks to me more like Venkys dance to Mowbray's tune.

The consensus at the beginning of the season seemed to be that Mowbray had promised Venkys' promotion. Mowbray's given up on trying for promotion.

Tipping point? I keep thinking we're past that point on a number of occasions, yet Venkys and Mowbray are still here.

7 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

you can’t have been here long if you think I believe anything I’ve seen this past decade is acceptable for Blackburn Rovers.

You sounded like you were getting ground down. Glad to learn that is not the case.

On 07/02/2021 at 16:43, Mattyblue said:

Nobody had fallen out with Chaddy more than me... in fact I think he’s the only person that’s ever put me on ignore 😭

But bloody hell, the forum becomes the Spanish Inquisition every time we lose a game. I personally don’t know why he’s seen as such a barometer that his opinion on TM and when he’s going to change it becomes the main talking point every week, not exactly a sage of the game, is he! ... the fella doesn’t even watch games anymore unless they are on Sky!

I objected to chaddyrovers' use of the word 'meltdown' to people reacting to the defeat to QPR. You've done it, too, with your 'Spanish Inquisition'. That'll certainly be how Mowbray and Waggott will present fans reactions and say that it'll all blow over in a few days.

It's not the defeat; it's the consistent theme of the things Mowbray's got wrong time and time again. Over a season Mowbray will get a third of his game plans correct and get lucky in a third more, when he's got it wrong. That's 60 points a season. Is safe in the Championship all you want for Blackburn Rovers?

Half our squad's out of contract at the end of this season. The idea that they'll play for a new contract is likely to meet the refrain, 'why should I be arsed, when the manager isn't?'.

The only mix we're in is the one to see who can get closest to the playoffs, without actually getting in.

Venkys have canned other managers, I'm puzzled why they haven't pulled the trigger on this one.

7 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I have said why I want Mowbray to stay. 

Why do I need to set any parameters? I am not the one decide Mowbray's future. 

Reasons was explained weeks ago.. If you want a link? just look back through the forums. 

You said I wasn't serious about getting Premier League which I thought was joke of a comment tbh considering how much I remember the Premier League games with Rovers. I still remembers those days like yesterday

Plenty of Rovers fans still want Mowbray to be here as manager.

 

I wrote that you weren't serious about getting back to the Premier League. You're reduced to a pathetic attempt to shift goalposts.

So you want Mowbray to stay because plenty of fans do. That's a very circular argument. Fan A wants Mowbray to stay because Fan B does. Fan B wants Mowbray to stay because Fan A does. And so it goes on.

True, Venkys will decide Mowbray's future, but your opinion could carry some weight. If everyone wants us to be promoted this season before contract expiration makes next year difficult, why wouldn't Venkys change to a manger who'll be paid to deliver that promotion.

I ask you again: What has Mowbray done in the last four years to convince you that we'll get promotion this or any year to the Premier League under him?

You were asked who you'd have as manager. You do have an extreme reluctance to come out with your own opinions.

My own shortlist would be Mark Hughes and Frank Lampard. If available I'd have Big Sam, Mourinho and Arteta on it. I'd have as possibles; Paul Lambert and Ryan Giggs. Going back is never popular, though.  I don't think any of those would be your choice.

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

He isn't so the question is pointless based. 

Wrong but I am not keep repeating myself. I HAVE said why. Look back and check. 

 

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Why wouldn't I want Premier League Football back at Ewood Park? I remember the Premier League days every day and the great games and day outs I had following Rovers around England..

 

So, that's a 'No' on Mourinho. He's a success at Spurs, but you wouldn't want him here.

If you ever had actually explained your reasons, you'd have given me a link. You never have explained anything, previously. This is a tactic you always use when challenged. I have read all your posts. I'd remember, if you'd ever explained why you back Mowbray.

My sentence did not refer to our two decades in the Premier League. It's about the here and now. What has Mowbray done in four years to convince you we'll get promoted under him?

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Coyle did tell us how he was appointed by Rovers. 

But Mourinho isn't free and he is Spurs manager. I dont see getting sack any time soon. He has Kane back now so Spurs will get back to winning ways like today

I have already explained why I wouldnt be calling time on Mowbray tenure at Rovers. I am not going back over this every time we have a defeat. 

I'm not interested in compare this squad to the squad Bowyer has they are far too differences. 

Who knows what would have happened if Lambert had carry on as manager. How can anyone know who he would have bought and how they would perform here? 

where have I said that Mowbray is better than all the out of work managers? I don't claim this at all

No, Coyle didn't say how he was appointed. He gave a partial story, which I do not believe.

If Mourinho were free, would you have him here? It's a simple question. I find it odd you won't answer.

No, you haven't explained why you wouldn't call time on Mowbray. You always claim to have explained something before, but never have.

I wonder why it is that you won't compare the squad Mowbray has now to the ones Bowyer took to two top 9 finishes and I think he underachieved with both. Could it be that you think Mowbray has the strongest squad?

It's inferred, old boy! You're saying that Mowbray is better than all the out of work managers, because he's still here and all of them are still out of work.

I can only conclude that neither you nor Venkys are serious about wanting Premier League football back at Ewood Park.

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yes it's a meltdown after one defeat after 10 points in 4 games 

Coyle has told us how he was appointed by the club. 

Appleton doing a good job at Lincoln and played very well on Friday night from what I watched

Mourinho will be staying at Spurs. Still in the 3 cup comps and Kane has just come back. And they just won 2 nil. 

I wouldn't be calling time on Mowbray time at our club at all

No-one is calling for Mowbray's head on the basis of one defeat at QPR. Coyle hasn't told us how he was appointed. I don't believe a word he's said. I'm not talking about how Appleton is doing now. I am talking about the farce of how he was appointed and removed here.

So you're saying that were Mourinho free, you wouldn't want him here? I think Spurs have already made the decision to sack him and are just lining up his successor.

Why wouldn't you call time on Mowbray? Is the squad he's got better than the two squads Bowyer didn't get promoted? Why do you reckon Mowbray is better than all the other managers who are currently out of work? Do you really think that had Venkys given Lambert the 15m pounds sterling he wanted that he'd have spent it worse than Mowbray has?

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

sadly not Mercer. 

Mowbray time at the club hasn't come to end at all. 

One defeat and the board is back to meltdown after 10 points from last 4 games. 

His time at the club hasn't been managerial farce or disaster at all. and its injustice to the job he has done at the club. 

Come on, chaddy, it's not meltdown, it's sheer frustration.

Managerial farce and disaster are not criteria that get a manager the sack at our club. Ke-n and Coyle were a managerial farce and disaster from appointment. We still don't know who did actually appoint Coyle. If you want managerial farce there are Appleton and Berg.

I like Mowbray. He's passionate about football. I wanted him to take over that Christmas. I know we wouldn't have been relegated. Mowbray's actual performance turned me cold towards him. He got the goals from Graham and Gallagher to dry up. His 'let's-not-try-to-win' against Wolves. His 'let's-prepare-for-a-completely-different-team' against Barnsley. The piece de resistance was the final game of that season. We'd scored 3 and could have had 6. Mowbray stops attacking and we're relegated on goal difference.

Mowbray's admitted he lucked in to the team and formation in league 1. Luck, chaddy, not skill. That's not been the case in the Championship.

I feel the division is there for the taking. Yeah, that's optimism. Since Christmas, Brentford have seized their destiny in both hands. Mowbray has come out with 'let's-see-where-the-journey-takes-Rovers'. That's relying on luck and he sounds resigned to not getting promotion.

I reckon Mourinho will soon be free. Let's try to hire him. No chance, eh chaddy. Who thought Leeds would land Bielsa? Perhaps Mercer did and bought himself some really expensive wine.

Bournemouth without their previous manager turned in a win.

It really is time to call time on Mowbray and bring in a manger to achieve promotion, whilst there are enough games to do that.

If our owners are serious about us getting back to the Premier League and doing it this season, today's game will have proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that it will not be done under Tony Mowbray.

At other clubs realisation brings action to remedy. Here, it's 'It's Venkys. They haven't got a clue when it comes to football'.

14 minutes ago, Paul Mellelieu said:

That's true if we didn't have seven games in Feb....

Playing mid-week and Saturday is what this division is ala bout. It's what players are expected to be able to play. Why doesn't Mowbray think ours can?

Finding a defence that defends has been Mowbray's achilles heel here (and he's not our first manager to struggle in that regard) and once you've found one, you don't change it, if you can avoid it.

I must have missed Mowbray riding out 9 defeats in 11, this season. I do seem to recall a timely win in Mowbray's 9 defeats out of 11. Last season.

18 minutes ago, Borofan87 said:

He could have lost his eyeball. That's not a common occurrence in football. Jimenez, Ryan Mason - those are similar incidents.

 

It's probably of little consolation, but because the ref gave nothing, it can be reviewed and our player Branthwaite could receive punishment. 

1 minute ago, Rogerb said:

Last season after 25 games we had conceeded 31 with a far worse keeper!

Same points as this time last year (36). We were 13 last year rather than 9th. That suggests the league is weaker this year than last. We have conceded 3 goals fewer this year at this point than last year. There is no evidence that the out turn in goals conceded will be better this year over 46 games than last year.

Just now, Ben Frost said:

It really wasn't 

2 wins in 10. It really was.

2 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

They didn't even try to last time. You'd hope if they go up this year which I think they will, that they will give it more of a go next season.

I'm sure their fans hope that, too!

11 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

Middlesbrough are nothing special yet they are seventh in the league and Warnock has taken them from 21st to the cusp of the play offs in months. No one in this league perhaps with the exception of Norwich are anything special, which is why Mowbray's slow build and journey speeches are such a nonsense.

And Norwich can't stick in the Premier League

I decided to take a break from commenting because of how I felt about Mowbray. Our early season form seems to me to prove he can do it, but our playoff spot and goal scoring output was more to stop me and others from saying 'we don't score enough;' and 'Mowbray's never got us in the playoff positions anytime we've been in the Championship'. 

This game was a must win for Mowbray's job. Whenever he's been in that position, the team's gone out and won the game for him. Yet he's not the focus of our ambitions and ought not be that of the team's. Our league position is the be all and end all.

He's the one who admits he lucked into team and formation in league one. Mowbray's the one who ensured we didn't win league one by not trying to win at Charlton. 

Mowbray is so very adroit at making himself seem indispensable. Travis and Dack do not fit in a 4-3-3 formation. Yet, Mowbray insists and persists in playing them in it. Mowbray's always right - in his own mind.

I'm not convinced Mowbray is committed to our making a promotion run this season. Mowbray's commitment to our promotion this season is a question our owners need an answer to. If Mowbray delivers us promotion this season, he's earned a season as our manager in the premier league, in my book.

I'd prefer a different manager, but that will come as no surprise to anyone on this site. I also accept that I'm not the one making the decisions. It's taken a while for that acceptance to sink in.

Including last season, Derby have lost 7 straight. Yes, we beat two poor teams emphatically. That's the rub. In previous seasons, we'd have contrived to beat both 2 -1 clinging on, in injury time, trying to preserve our lead and just managing it.

Why are those of us who have called for Mowbray's head supposed to be unhappy now we're winning and winning well? Mowbray's playing players in their correct positions, pressing and 'on the front foot'. It's how he used to have a team play football, when he managed West Brom.

Perhaps the emergence of Dolan has been the catalyst.

Great result. Not so great that we have picked up another injury.

In the playoff positions!