40 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I wonder. I think he is eager to get back into management, that I wouldn't be so sure he would be out that quickly. It's as big a job as he's going to get and his options are getting smaller and smaller. 

Would be some buzz if he did. 

I don't know as Keane would last past the first training session. Boy would I like to be a fly on the wall watching Keane's encounter with our good group of lads 'down the country club'. I'm sure I'd learn a whole bunch of words derived from the Irish gaelic. Would he bring his own hairdryers? Keane would certainly shake things up!

10 minutes ago, roverandout said:

He uses the phrase 'coach' because he couldn't manage a piss up in a brewery 

Judging by seems to be happening on the pitch, there's precious little coaching going on.

Just now, Mashed Potatoes said:

This is complete nonsense.It is impossible to sneak large scale developments through planning in secret; the local council will write to those who live in the vicinity.

You know that: I know that. Apparently, the club didn't.

If Watford beat us 4/5/6-0, I won't be cheering. If Mowbray and Co. get fired, I'll give a slight cheer, 'cos that's only half the job. I'll give a full cheer on having the right manager and board and promotion back to the Premier League.

9 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Your analysis of the League 1 season couldnt be any more biased, I have been his biggest critic for what I deemed to be not treating a potential title with the respect I felt it merited, I was at Southend in which we were poor, and indeed at all of those 4 losses in which things looked bleak. Overall though, that season was an undeniable success, I expected promotion and he delivered promotion. I also agree that he failed his first, admittedly very difficult task of survival

I feel that as we stand here today, we are in a better position than when he came in. I do not feel (and havent for a bit now) that he is the man to take us forward, to progress us on to the next level, or even that he has done a remarkable/brilliant job against the odds, but a good job I would argue is fair, and one in risk of stagnating if it continues for too long.

I also think that managers in general are reluctant to train on artificial indoors. Do I think that as you imply, it is a smokescreen for something far more sinister whereby he is playing a key role in the decision to sell off training facilities? Not at all. Do I genuinely think that there is an unlimited pot of transfer money ready and waiting for him to take that he repeatedly declines? No.

I have been quite critical of Mowbray over the last year, his team selections, his tactics, his mixed transfer record (mixed, not shocking) and a lack of on field direction. That can be reason enough to want a manager sacked without analysing his demeanour on the touchline, nit picking through his every word after games or indeed suggesting conspiracy theories about him being a protagonist in the downscaling of the club.

I think that if you said when he came, would you expect to be in the Premier League within 4 years, I would have almost certainly said no, but I certainly would not have said that should he fail to do so, then he threatens the very existence of our club.

Going off on a tangent there. I dont want Mowbray or Waggott to remain in their jobs but I stop short of blaming him for things he isnt responsible for. You are saying that Mowbray is directly, personally responsible for us having no choice but to sell half of the current training facilities for not having achieved promotion in his first 4 years?

Probably not, this is Venkys. He should have already been sacked but I wont be holding my breath and I wont be cheering on Watford tomorrow night.

What did I write that was in any way biased? Mowbray admitted to lucking into a team and formation. 

Expect to be promoted in 4 years when backed by owners willing to spend the cash? Yes. I certainly would not expect the manager to want to slam the breaks on. I have no idea, if there is a causal link behinf Mowbray's failure to get us back to the Premier League and plans to sell the STC. There's no way Venkys can continue to make £20m a year available to the club, for FFP reasons, if no other. A financial crunch is coming, if we aren't promoted this season.

The club did not announce any plans in advance about selling land. That suggests that people at the club were trying to sneak it through planning in secret, just like at Coventry. Yeah, I'd call that a conspiracy on the part of the Coventry Three.

It's clear you don't understand what Mowbray having total control of football at Blackburn Rovers means.

26 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

 

The club haemorrhaging money is not Mowbrays responsibility, even if money he has spent on transfer fees under him may have not helped that, the manager is given funds by the owners to whom are responsible for the financial side of things.

It is not reasonable to suggest that Mowbray can be directly blamed for any collateral damage caused even based on an assumption that the club had to achieve promotion within his first 4 years to avoid having to start selling off the training ground to compensate. If that is the case, which is a huge assumption, then that falls on the owners, not Mowbray. I would also question how likely it should have been deemed to necessarily get promoted in that time frame anyway.

My problem with the manager is that although I feel that he has done a good job, he cannot further us and his tactics/subs/transfers etc are not pushing us forward any more, and I feel that we are starting to go backwards slightly. I want Mowbray gone because I dont think he can convert us into promotion challengers, not because he has failed to get us into the Premier League by now.

That isnt his responsibility though, people including me are understandably frustrated by the on field situation and are just blaming him for everything, but that falls on the owners. Do we think Mowbray spoke to the owners and suggested selling off half of the training facilities to build houses?

If it came out prior that if we lose then he goes, then maybe I could sort of understand, even though it would go against my instinct, I would be able to empathise. As it is, it seems certain that he will remain regardless, so we may as well hope for the team to win.

 

Mowbray hasn't trained at the STC for about a month claiming the pitches are frozen. That is his decision. I don't believe his reason.

I sit in amazement at the breathtaking bewildering non-sequitors of things you don't think Mowbray is responsible for. You think he's done a good job. i don't. Hired to keep us up. he failed. He should have gone then, but got an improved contract. Been there before. 4 defeats in 11. One Southend fan going so far as naming him Southend's man of the match for changing formation back to the ineffective one that went 2-0 down. Mowbray lucked into team and formation. His game plan cost us the match at Charlton and with it the League 1 title.

Three seasons back working for owners who say they want us back in the Premier League pronto without delivering ands he wont this season, either. A manager who said he had to talk Venkys out of spending more money. What manager in their right mind ever does that? One named Mowbray. No sign of the £50m transfer war chest or Mr Balaji Rao's promise to pay Mowbray whatever it'd take to get us into the Premier League. Perhaps he liked fake Mowbray better than the real thing.

13 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

That may be true, but a couple of losses wont lead to that, so hoping to get "smashed a few times" is pointlessly counter productive.

There is no evidence that Mowbray is behind the downgrade of Brockhall.

There's no evidence Mowbray isn't. Mowbray has complete control over football and Brockall's part of his remit.

If we got stuff in the middle of a good run of form winning games, there wouldn't be any point in calling for the manager's head or expect him to be fired. Our recent run of defeats has people saying that we could and should have conceded more goals in each game. That will eventually happen. It can't get swept under the rug. Change has to happen.

1 minute ago, perthblue02 said:

Was that the one in Bassecourt, Jura ? Did it actually get built? remember looking into it a while ago and the last thing i could find was the winding up of the swiss holding company set upp by Venky's, and a swiss article about work beginning to start on the site 18 months after the announcement that was about 2012

Yes. I think it did get built. Their first Swiss partner had the Swiss police all over them. Venkys were going to spend $400m (which i didn't believe they had) on the plant. For some reason the figure of $250m sticks in my head, as does $270m, but that could just have been Venkys agreeing with whatever estimate a reporter came up with. I haven't checked up on it since and didn't know the Swiss holding company had been wound up. Perhaps the Swiss are tougher on what constitutes holding company activity than we are in this country. The Companies Registrar in the UK did start to wind up VLL after non-responses for information about lack of activity around 2012. Venkys responded and I've not seen any action started since.

Venkys don't do state-of-the-art. Venkys said it going to build a state-of-the-art animal vaccine pharma plant in Switzerland. When it was eventually built, it wasn't state-of-the-art. The article i read said it was built to a 'high standard'.

We're at a pivotal moment in our history. A number of us expected the financial screw to be turned at the beginning of this season. Mowbray clearly talked Venkys out of that by saying we were going for promotion this season. By now, that's been exposed for a load of old tosh.

Everything calls for a clear out of the Kentaro/SEM and successor HSH people from the club, including Mowbray's mates. I don't know, if Venkys can see that. I hope Venkys can.

Now we've gone from a plucked out figure from Nixon of £20m for a sell-off of land and downsizing, to an equally plucked out figure of £68m. That's without deducting anything for a rebuild of the JTC or cost of training facilities whilst that occurs. Then people add in another pie-in-the sky single season net receipt of £32m for Armstrong and Dack and say that's £100m. That is what you get just for being in the Premier League for one season and doesn't involve hawking off assets or players who'll get us to the Premier League and hopefully keep us there. Once assets are gone, they're gone for good. The Premier League is a gift that keeps on giving.

Venkys can do a lot better than Mowbray and his team. It's time Venkys did make the change.

17 minutes ago, WacoRover said:

You’re probably right. 

My question about Kaminski was a genuine one. I'm not claiming that the european scout didn't bring him in and he's been a good signing not that he's progressing under community center ben.

3 minutes ago, Gav said:

You're probably the only person on here who thinks we're going to be relegated, but of course you're entitled to your opinion, I'd put some money on it if I you, it'll be big odds at the bookies.

As for assets - I think £35m is on the low side, but playing assets doesn't win you football matches sadly and eventually those 3 stooges in Pune will join the dots in the colouring book and sell them.

 

I said heading for relegation, not actually being relegated. There was time for Mowbray to save us on coming in for Coyle, but he failed. he won't stop us dropping like a stone this year.

No player assets don't win games. The players we do sell won't bring in £35m. I'd like to know whom you think would fetch that sum, 'cos I don't see it right now.

1 minute ago, WacoRover said:

I’d say Kaminski alone is worth it. 
Stergiakis... time will tell.

Kaminski was on the radar before we had the european scout, wasn't he?

1 minute ago, Gav said:

We were heading to league 1, with an unfit, unmotivated load of crap in the squad.

Now we now a mid table championship side with probably over 35m in playing assets.

We are in far better shape than when Mowbray took over, we even have a European scout now!

 

 

We're heading to league 1 with an unmotivated load players in the squad. Who says there are players worth £35m in assets?

Oh yes our european scout has been really instrumental ...

6 minutes ago, WacoRover said:

Just listened to Roverschat on YouTube, “well done” & good discussion to all those involved. 

I must say, if Mowbray were to leave the team today, we are definitely in better shape than when he arrived. 

Now I can say, after listening to a very fair discussion, if Mowbray were to leave the team today, we might not feel so good about the immediate future:

1) lack of a name manager that is out there right now, that we could get;

2) money (it’s always money, isn’t it!?)

If we get body slammed by Watford, I’d be willing to see him given his walking papers, but I would not be rejoicing at the prospects of the remainder of the season under an interim manager, or someone that would not instill anymore confidence than I have right now. 

No we aren't in better shape -all the loanees we don't own and all the injuries.

There are managers out there who are much better and would, I believe, take the job.

Just now, tomphil said:

Waggot already mentioned this a good while ago so i'm quite certain it'll be his baby. Recent times have just given him the justification to try and get it in motion.

I think all of the Coventry 3 are up to their necks in this

42 minutes ago, Mercer said:

There's no one else going to bring in anything of significance.

For all Mowbray's hype about squad value, I think the cupboard is almost bare.

Playing 4 loanees and Bennett, Mowbray's treating our Academy as gone already. Then you're looking at value from 6 starters.

1 minute ago, Mercer said:

Think only Armstrong sale will bring in significant funds.  Needs to be viewed in context of scale of annual loss (averaging some £20m over 10 years). 

Armstrong's not in the £20m bracket, yet and Newcastle are rumoured to be getting 40% of any sell-on and we wouldn't see the sum in just one year, either. Most I think we'd get for him upfront this year would be £10m, which could only be £6m to us less anything owed to the player and his agent. That wouldn't be as significant as I'd like.

Leicester City's training ground was 185 acre redevelopment of a former golf course and cost £100m. I don't think the STC and JTC combined are 185 acres and we've certainly not got a spare £100m, but building something like that would be respecting Jack's Legacy and build one for themselves.

I was looking for information on Venkys share price and came across a hint to potential investors (8 weaknesses) that Venkys are inefficient in the use of Capital. Translation for everyday plebs like me = Venkys waste money. Fans of this club don't need to be high flying investors to know that.

Since all money raised would go straight to India, we'd be dependent on Venkys releasing funds. If Venkys are in cut-and-run mode that's not going to happen.

@MercerThat'll be Nyambe

@BigdoggsteelUnder another manager it probably would

Otium the subsidiary of SISU that bought Coventry City out of the administration SISU put the club into. Proper checks and balances?

Pity the EFL can't stop the Coventry Three from doing the same here.

@Herbie6590 The rule is for £13m of new share capital over a rolling 3 year period and £39m of losses over the rolling 3 year period, assuming club is in the Championship for each of those years. With coronavirus the rolling period was increased to 4 years though I don't know if the club gets to pick the best 3 years out of 4. I think it means that the next assessment for FFP is at the end of next season and we're in breach of the Championship rules, but not of those in League 1, which are different.

Bristol City sacked their manager after a 6-0 drubbing by Watford. If we're going to get beaten, it may as well result in something positive by losing to the same margin. Watford don't score too many goals away. It's got the feel of a game Mowbray would try to play for a draw, anyway and try to nick one. Mowbray will just look to win the possession battle and dominate the ball. I've still no idea what dominate the ball means. If any other commentator knows, please let me know.

I don't know how Davenport starts ahead of Rothwell .I'm half convinced Mowbray will play 3-4-1-2 with Johnson thrown right in as part of the back 3 , but [play more as a sweeper. It doesn't make sense for Dack to play handholding with the 2 CB loanees. I think that if Bennett plays, we'll concede. As usual, we depend on whether Armstrong is wearing his shooting boots or not.

1 minute ago, JoeH said:

Pro's:
- Financially beneficial to the club
- Brand new building which *could* be state-of-the-art facility
- May allow club to adopt different ideas on youth development, housing juniors teams within same location as senior teams as seen at other top European clubs
- Moving 1 minute from current location, not a drastic change unlike some clubs

Cons/Questions:
- No room for further development in the future due to a decisive and final move which would be irreversible
- Less building space per player (unless the most junior of our teams are relocated)
- Selling the land technically is financially beneficial but does it not technically devalue the club? Might need some more well knowledged opinion on that.

Thanks for the answers.

How does it benefit the club for our first team to train in facilities that aren't to the current STC standard forythe years it will take to build the new facilties?

How does it help our club, if we lose Cat A status for the academy? We'll be without the facilities that currently secure that status and will be without until the new facilities are built and there's no guarantee the new facilities will qualify. I'm pretty sure there will be another review before the new facilities will be finished.

I wonder, if when the permission for 400 homes to built that was the maximum number of homes that could be built on the old hospital site. I don't know of a way to check. Short of wading through the applications and approval from back then.

@JoeHWhat is it that you 'like' about this proposal?