49 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

 I said he should go now, but I added what I think will happen. 

Even with Mowbray, we should have enough to stay up. Between points on the board and quality of player though. Awful that this is where we are at all the same. 

He sounds like he even thinks he should be gone. It's classic Venkys 

That's what Hull fans said last year. I don't this is classic Venkys. Lambert walked. That was the honourable thing. K--n sued for constructive dismissal and won. Berg sued and won. Mowbray is taunting Venkys to fire him. It's what needs to happen.

There is Johnson to be caretaker, if an appointment cannot be made immediately.

@BigdoggsteelIf Mowbray is here at the end of the season, we'll be in League 1 next season. He has to go and go now. By go, I mean he and his friends have no more to do with Blackburn Rovers.

Just now, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Who are we not beating next?

Millwall, the draw specialists who warmed up for us with a win, last night. It's away.

@JHRover I think your 3 points cover the likely outcomes. I think there a lot of people who fear that Venkys will botch the replacement of Mowbray.

I do agree that Mark Hughes would want to bring in his own team. Is there any doubt that Venus, Lowe and Benson are not Championship or higher quality? Anyone who comes in would want to replace the three. Even if they did promise to keep them, we've experience of Coyle doing that and then removing the people he'd agreed to work with.

I think Johnson is already 'working' with the U23s.

Of course, Waggott's got to go at the same time, though I don't see the need for Venkys to replace him immediately.

18 minutes ago, JHRover said:

 

If I were running the club I would be putting the feelers out to him - seeing what his plans were, what his demands would be and what staff he would want but we know that won't be happening here at the mad house. If Hughes was expecting a mega budget or big salary I'd move on quite quickly. I wouldn't be getting worked up over him. 

This paragraph hits the nail right on its head. If there's no interest, move on. If there is, negotiations are likely to be protracted and it takes time to assemble all of the pieces and we'll lose out on others we might have got in sooner, as we have, by delaying, in the past. By the time Venkys decided they wanted to bring in their target, somebody else had signed them up and Venkys decided to persevere with whoever was currently in charge. I believe we can't afford another Lambert walking out on the club because the transfer pot disappeared or other promises didn't materialise.

I agree with you about the Cowleys. I think Doncaster will make them an offer that will take them off the board.

If it sounds like I'm getting worked up, it's because I believe the choice of the next manager is as big as Jack Walker bringing in Dalglish. If he'd brought in somebody else, we might never have been Premier League Founder Members or never have won it.

8 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

What a load of rubbish, and proof that he over-complicates and overthinks the game. 

If he's talking that sort of stuff in the dressing room it's no wonder the players wander around dazed and confused - how are they supposed to decipher that? 

Football's pretty simple - play your best players in the right positions and let them get on with it.

Of course, it's waffle. It's typical Mowbray. Only Cardiff having a purple patch?

What about Barnsley? Has Mowbray forgotten them? No slow build for them. None for Warnock at Middlesborough, either and I don't believe the Middlesborough squad is a good as ours or the Barnsley one, either. I wonder how Mowbray would explain that.

2 hours ago, WIR Second Coming said:

Which is doubly galling and mystifying, as in recent seasons the positions were reversed. What has changed at Reading? What has changed at Rovers?

Reading had a takeover and a new manager. Rovers haven't.

27 minutes ago, JHRover said:

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I don't think Mark Hughes is a realistic contender. I don't think he would particularly want the job, he would certainly expect good money and I just don't see it as a realistic option.

We can also forget these chumps going abroad for a new manager.

The only options then are getting towards the Cowley's, Rowett, Neil, Monk, Harris, Pulis before the rookies and lower league options who haven't done the business at this level. 

 

Why isn't Mark Hughes a realistic option?

I wouldn't rate Neil, Monk, Harris and Pulis a step up from Mowbray. The Cowleys could be on Doncaster's radar.

4 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

You don't get regime change by staying away, in effect doing nothing.  

All those fans protesting at games, didn't get Steve K==n fired. The fans got slated for doing it.

Why bother going to the so-called consultation meetings? Club doesn't take minutes. Club controls the agenda, the questions and who gets to attend.

We've yet to have a statement from the collective representing the fans that Waggott and Mowbray have got to go.

The Rovers Trust statement opposing the sell off of the STC is welcome, but it needs all fan groups to oppose the plans, as well.

I'd go with yet another back 4, though an extra day of training would have helped. I'd give Dan Pike his debut. The alternative is to play Travis as a RB. I'd play Downing at LB and Lenihan and Nyambe as central defenders. Nyambe seeming inability to head the ball is more than a mere concern. In midfield I'd play Elliott and Dolan, wide with Travis and Rothwell in the centre. If Travis were played at RB, Trybull in the centre of midfield. Up front Armstrong and Brereton.

We all know that Mowbray is a developed of youth talent, don't we? So, Pike is a definite? Okay, that would be a no.

Anything other than a convincing Reading victory would be an upset.

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

wasn't he recommend to our owners by someone

I seem to remember reading an article or two, at the time, that suggested Appleton wanted out of Blackpool; that going there had been a mistake.

However, in light of what you've said, consider Artell and Rowett as in the running.

I wouldn't rate Bowyer as Mowbray's equal. Bowyer was a stop gap who went on too long. In that respect, he's equal to Mowbray.

Mowbray apparently delegates training. it's hard to discern what, if any training is being done.

Mowbray delegates set piece training. So it's not his fault we can't defend.

Mowbray delegates player recruitment. He takes the credit when one of the signings turns out great and passes the blame onto others, when the signing turns out not to be very good.

Mowbray decided not to train  at the STC, because it's nearly 'derelict' according the planning application. No doubt forcing Venkys to spend 2m on redoing the pitch rather than spend it on getting rid of everyone who needs to be got rid of.

It'd be cheaper to ground share for our remaining home games. It's not like there are any fans attending, at the moment.

The club is pushing the 'nothing to see here' line. Objectively, 1 point from 18 is relegation form. I'm sure Hull City thought that their cushion last season would b enough, too.

Mathematically, we could still get into the playoffs. Definitely not under the current set up. That mathematical window will soon close.

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Appleton at Blackpool

I thought Appleton was recruited by our Board, at the time.

1 hour ago, roverandout said:

Should call it Blackburn pleasure beach

Only to a masochist!

@chaddyroversThe only reason I'd exclude Artell and Rowett from the list of 'possibles' is because they're current employed and Venkys haven't hired anyone working at another club.

Just now, Mr. E said:

Surely this is the final end, right? Surely he's gone in the morning?

From your 'lips' to Madam's ears!

Nice pull back assist from Nyambe for an unpicked up Brereton who scored. 

4 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

4-3-3 I reckon

Looks that way. But with Mowbray, perhaps  the formation is the last thing pulled out of the tombola, just as the players are leaving the dressing room for the pitch.

14 minutes ago, Tom said:

Is it legal to be working in excess of 70 hours a week? Has the EWTD gone out of the window now we’ve left?

If they're all billable hours.

Mowbray's gaslighted Raya. He's gaslighting Nyambe. One year he blamed the defeats on Lenihan being out injured. This year we lost because Ayala was out. The Travis that's reported as out on the field now, I don't recognise as the player who forced his way into the team. He's there, paraphrasing Mowbray's words, to 'kick someone'.

He had the opportunity to sell Williams and didn't. I think he had the same chance with Evans.

Mowbray blamed fans for forcing him to play Nyambe. The player whom he said was going to be out for months with a hamstring. RB Leipzig let fans choose the team, formation and tactics. If we did that, we'd be three up on Mowbray. He's no idea how 20 different CB partnerships have happened this season. Someone pointed that out to Nixon who replied 'and 56 midfielders'. Somebody else must be picking those teams. I've seen nothing to suggest that Mowbray suffers from a multiple personality disorder. So, Mowbray must be trying to shift he blame, if that's what it is, away from him.

Live on Sky, Mowbray comes out and says 'we don't play like that', despite our playing like that previously this season.

He claims he doesn't like training on indoor pitches up at the STC and would rather ruin the pitch at Ewood Park. This it seems then allows Peabody's to claim that the STC is becoming derelict in a planning application to sell it to develop houses.

I had no idea that Mowbray was from the same HSH stable. He wasn't exactly open about who his agent is, now was he?

Despite all the evidence to the contrary people still claim that Mowbray is a man of integrity.

@WIR Second ComingStrangely enough, I was imagining Clint, as Dirty Harry, speaking my post as I was writing it.

In 1998 we beat Coventry 5-1 at Ewood Park and lost that season's return fixture 5-0. This season we best them 4-0 ...

@roversfan99Mowbray and co being fired will not offset the pain a loss today will cause, but it will certainly help.

The unanswered question posed by one poster to another.

If we fell to 16th, would you fire Mowbray? (like we did Bowyer)

We're now 16th.

Well, would you?

Just now, Roverall said:

I'm confident of a hard-earned point today.

TMBWA !!!!

Happy with a point against a team we should beat quite handily had we any real aspiration of a top 6 finish.

5 hours ago, HowieFive0 said:

 

He maybe needs to lower his sights a bit. As for Bielsa and Nuno they came into English football and had to start  at Championship level and did superb. Hughes maybe  thinks hes already done his apprenticeship with managing only PL clubs . Anyway hes certainly back looking for work ..never off TV along with Cowley, Monk and Poyet recently, all putting themselves back in the shop window.

As for our owners matching Hughes ' ambitions.. simple answer ..no.

I would agree that Hughes does need take a step into the Championship. I'm convinced that after Hughes kept both QPR and Southampton in the Premier League that a bigger club would step in and hire him away. Walking away from Fulham, despite Hughes' acknowledgement that it was wrong, would not have been taken well by potential hirers. A more practical reason why they didn't swoop for him is that it takes, in my opinion, a different set of skills to keep a team up than it does to qualify for those European places.

Our owners tell us that they are ambitious. Grandiose ambitions, I'm thinking. Remember the players Venkys talked about signing, when they first came in. The goal was to establish the club as a Champions League qualifying team every year.

Hughes does want work. We need a manager.

16 minutes ago, Stuart said:

The other half is, do our owners wage expectations match his?

I'd imagine the wage negotiations are 'complex' and time consuming. That's assuming anything is going on, like that. I realise that absolutely nothing may be going on, with anyone.