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Despite signing 10,only 3 new players started on Saturday. Obviously injuries and suspensions will be a factor, but it will be interesting going forward to see how that changes. It will maybe be a good indication of just how successful the window was.

I'm more intrigued than anything, beyond Dolan and Britain, can't say I'm too fussed about the ones who've left. 

9 hours ago, lraC said:

Dolan got an assist for the second goal in a 3-2 win.

They went 2-0 up in 20 mins and looked to be cruising, but a pen for Mallorca and a red for español, just before half time, put the game back in the balance.

It was all square on 75 but a late winner for the ten men, meant they won, despite playing the whole of the second half a man short. 

Dolan fouled for the winning penalty. 

6 hours ago, Exiled in Toronto Mk2 said:

The BRFCS Law of Entropy: every thread, over time, descends into posters arguing with Chaddy.

While the budget has clearly been cut, I’m struggling to believe that our road to the promised land was going to be paved with improved 4-year contracts for Travis, Dolan and Hyam, plus Ba’ath and Weiman creaking another season out.

Aka, "The Rubber Dinghy Men".

34 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Yep, its just a series of individual circumstances and there is no pattern to see here and nothing that the club has done wrong.

There's very much a pattern, whether the club has done "wrong" remains to be seen. 

27 minutes ago, ... said:

Oh hahaha I knew what you were on about I was on about the butchering of his name 🤣🤣

Aaah😂

3 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

At least the club have now finally admitted the contract offers weren't great for those players.

I'd have to watch it again but the interview with BBC Lancs sport he said there was a payrise on offer for Brittain but Travis and Hyam were just offered a 1 year extension to their current terms.

So no real effort made to keep our club captain, or our CB who played every minute of last season.

How much were they on?

I'd need to know that before I decided whether or not they had earned a rise. 

15 minutes ago, ... said:

Royo Mashtita

Aye, he did well. I was meaning the overall amount of Championship experience which we've lost, and brought foreign players in.

it was a major topic throughout the window. 

Had to laugh at the Watford commentary after all that's been said.

"Blackburn look like what they are, an experienced Championship side" 

48 minutes ago, London blue said:

But "new or otherwise" is dismissing the point entirely.

I'm talking specifically about the extension of existing players.

I'm struggling to know what your point is.

If they wanted to renew contracts, they could've done, they just chose not to . The other argument would be whose decision was it?

10 minutes ago, London blue said:

You said: "they've just signed 10 players, they're more than capable of penning contracts."

Again, they were obliged to sign those players, otherwise we wouldn't have a squad.

The fact that a number of new, low value contracts have been offered has no bearing at all on whether they either can't or won't offer improved terms to current players.

They HAD to sign new players. They had no choice. 

Showing the "ability", or knowhow to physically draw up a contract, new or otherwise.

They're quite capable of drawing up a contract, if it's to their liking. 

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Obviously it is choice. They are choosing not to pay competitive Championship wages. Hence why nearly all of our signings are from smaller leagues abroad, often players relegated so their wage demands will be comparatively tiny.

You make it sound like the likes of Travis and Hyam in particular just werent very good and we chose to discard them.

You keep on saying it's inability when it clearly isn't.

I've never once said they're no good, but it's obvious what has happened/is happening and you just keep on yearning for something which clearly isn't going to happen.

As I've been saying for weeks, whether the new process works depends almost solely on how good the recruitment department is . They've  got a lot on. 

7 minutes ago, London blue said:

I'm begging you to state you understand the difference between signing new players and offering improved contracts to current players.

Please tell me you understand the difference between inability and unwillingness.

28 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

We will see. Assuming they become established and their value goes up and they want better money, I am sure we wont agree with that either.

Just to clarify. You dont have any worries at all with our inability to get new contracts sorted for current players?

It isn't inability, they've just signed 10 players, they're more than capable of penning contracts, it's choice.

I'd rather they'd kept Dolan in particular, and Britain, although I can't say I let it "worry" me when it's so obvious what's happening.

If the personnel and makeup of the club hadn't changed it would be more of a worry. 

6 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Exactly this. Its an excellent deflection tactic to start going off on tangents about individuals. 

Its the pattern. The indefensible pattern.

The pattern will change when it comes to renewing the more recently signed players. 

They're not going to re sign players on contracts they don't agree with. 

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

It wasnt too good to turn down for Hyam. Maybe you could argue earlier in the window. But his value to us massively increased so late in the window.

Take Guehi as an example. £40m was a great offer for someone who will otherwise leave for free. But they couldnt get a replacement so had to keep him. That £2.7m taken will be offset by a much greater risk of relegation.

There wasnt clearly any chance of getting any of them to sign because we cant sort the contracts of current players. Which is a massive problem that undermines any other plans we have, and any other decisions we make.

He played Travis in every game and he remained as his captain. Theres no suggestion that he was happy to move him on as if he had fallen behind in the "plan."

They were always signing Baradji, and Travis, by his own admission, wasn't offered a contract. That sorts that out.

Hyam, I agree with you regarding the timing , but if it wasn't too good to turn down, why didn't they turn it down ? 

6 minutes ago, BRFC. said:

Cantwell and Toth will be difficult because both will have good seasons and have interest from clubs with ambition

Aye, good point. 

I'm guessing  that is where they'd use the selling option. 

21 minutes ago, London blue said:

Sure, it's a possibility that VI was happy to let Hyam, Brittain, Trav and Dolan go. 

It's slimmer than a gnats pube, but it's a possibility.

For what it's worth,in my opinion , Dolan was never a chance, he was always going no matter what.

He said he tried to keep Britain, that one upset him. 

Ismael was always replacing Travis, hence the "what contract?" comment.

£2.7 million was simply too good to turn down for Hyam. 

But it isn't just those 4 that have left. 

57 minutes ago, BRFC. said:

“Past mistakes” Gueye, Ohashi, Toth, McLoughlin, Ribeiro, Cantwell and Kargbo’s will all have a year left by next season

I'm trying to see it as they are.

They're obviously not going to give everyone a 4 and 5 year deal. The players you mentioned, I'm guessing, will be on the lower scale and should be easier/cheaper to renew if they're still wanted.

Some players are also just allowed to run out of contract at every club. 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

It will work in reducing the wage bill. It wont help from a footballing perspective.

Nothing has changed in terms of being able to sort out contracts. And I suspect you know that, even if you have now been trying to claim that Ismael just was happy to let them go anyway.

By "sort out contracts", you mean give them better terms. It's obvious that wasn't going to happen.

I've never claimed Ismael was happy to let any players go, I just said it's a possibility. You didn't even think to consider it an option. 

31 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

There is no way that he was happy to get rid of all of those players. Certainly if he has even a shred of competence. 

They are more than capable of signing players yes on really cheap wages from abroad.

But again, we move away from the pattern. No one is signing contracts. Its not the odd player who has outgrown us or the odd one we want or are happy to discard. Its beyond that. You speak as if the club hae changed for the better.

I've no idea  if it's for the better, I'm just saying it as it is.

it's you that keeps insisting nothing has changed , when you'd have to be blind not to see it's completely different.

In their eyes, they're cleaning up the short  term/high wage, low profit mess they inherited.

Good idea if it works. 

40 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Its not the same and you know it.

You are purposely avoiding the fact that we have become totally unable to get current first team players to sign new deals. The only one in two years was Ribeiro who initially signed on a strange short term deal and then extended it.

Its not normal. If you think that what we have seen suggests that contractual issues have been left in the past and we have learnt our lessons, then I suspect that you are in a very small minority.

It isn't unable, they're more than capable of signing players as they've proved this summer , it's being unwilling.

Something else you always dismiss is just how determined the manager is to keep certain players. 

Britain he definitely wanted, Travis I don't think he was that bothered , and Hyam they received an offer too good to turn down(understandable but timing terrible). 

Just because you'd keep them doesn't mean they fit the manager's plans. 

7 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

What, do you think there's actually the faintest chance he'll finish 6th or above?.

If you do you make chaddy look like a pessimist!.

He's no excuse not to mind - he's got all these more mobile athletic types he wanted.

I was meaning who finishes higher in the league this season. 

29 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Yes, but still they havent managed to start sorting players contracts out.

You seem to be of the opinion that they have learnt their lessons.

Until they start sorting contracts out then ill assume that they havent learnt anything. And it will undermine anything we are supposed to be building.

They've just sorted 10 contracts out, it isn't a case of can't.

If players aren't signing then sell them, that much has definitely been learned . Whatever is going on, it most definitely isn't a continuation of the last few years, as you keep eluding to. 

50 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Theres also no way that Ismael can claim to be happy about the summer window.

He said he only wanted 6 or 7 and to build on what we had. We signed 10 and still are short such are the players that left.

He wanted to keep Travis, Brittain, Hyam, Dolan, Batth and Weimann. None stayed.

He wanted to keep Hyam and wasnt concerned about him going 2 days before the deadline. He went and with no replacement.

He wanted 0 loans, we got 2.

He also said we're paying for past managerial mistakes, we can't afford for players who aren't signing to walk away for nothing. 

5 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

The blame undoubtedly goes above Ismael but I do also think that he is a far inferior manager to what has gone before.

Which just compounds the issue.

Be interesting to see if he can prove himself better than Eustace this season.