32 minutes ago, NeilInBristol said:

Let's not get carried away.

Great win.

I'm not, I've been saying it for a while. 

4 minutes ago, aletheia said:

Of course, JDT then had a depleted squad and one that supposedly didn’t want to work for him/found it too hard under him.

Eustace has a better squad (obviously all relative) and supposedly one that is happier and is raring to go.

Result –dropped down the league table.

You don't have to keep defending Tomasson, he's gone and what's left behind is left behind, he's boss of Sweden now.

We were shipping goals for fun and it needed addressing, we need Eustace to somehow, anyhow keep us up. 

I suppose we'll see if it works in the end, without doubt conceding 24 goals every 10 games is definitely relegation form.

It had to be halted, we were going down. 

13 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

It's not working we are closer to relegation now than when he came in.

I'm just looking at the goals against, last 10 league games we've let 10 in. 

Previous 10 under Tomasson we let 24 in. We were going down,hopefully the damage isn't irreparable. 

First and foremost,Eustace had to stop the goals against and make Rovers harder to beat. 

3 defeats in 11 since Tomasson left suggests it's working, those 3 defeats by a single goal. It's easy to forget that we were getting spanked for weeks on end, teams are now having to actually work to beat us. 

Yes, he badly needs a win, but at least we're not beaten before we even go out, which is what was happening. 

What is it every manager is tasked with when they walk into a team shipping loads of goals? Tighten up at the back and make us hard to beat. 

53 minutes ago, aletheia said:

You can see inside his mind now? 🙂 I would suggest he possibly does because he has a family member here and has interest still in the area.

He left us higher up the league than present despite the background inadequacies of this club. The present manager has taken us down the league.

I think we will stay up by virtue of points gained earlier in the season and the fact that there are worse teams than us.

I do hope, that in the event of us going down, you will not be part of the inevitable chorus of "It's on JDT, Eustace just did his best in the circumstances."

No, he will certainly have had enough time to turn it around, although I still think it would be a good effort if he saves us. 

Damage has inevitably been done but it isn't beyond repair. I still think it was always going to be a slow turn around, given the defensive issues. Since the goals dried up, that had to be the priority. 

1 hour ago, aletheia said:

I’m not blaming him alone, but nobody can exonerate him from blame when he oversaw such a bad run after being in such a good position. 

He was the one who got us into such a good position. And yes you can blame him for the points tally in a subsequent poor run. (although we know that this was initially having players injured and and players leaving, then subsequently an entitled ‘group’ downing tools and JDT losing the will giving the dysfunction around him.)

…how big a mess he inherited…

Nothing has changed other than Wharton leaving. In fact, Eustace has several plusses that JDT didn’t have. All he has done is scrape some draws. Of course, he has exactly the same mess as JDT had in terms of the dysfunction of the owners and SWAG. Another difference is that he is SWAG’s lapdog unlike his predecessor.

The idea that the club pulled off some great move in sacking JDT is most amusing (and the sort of logic of a club PR dept.) He did his best to get out of the barmy kitchen a long time ago but the numpties in charge wouldn’t let him go. When he then has to pay to escape, the PR machine kicks into action and blames him for possibly taking us down.

I’m sure JDT would not have taken us down. He and the players would managed to grin and bear each other and scrape the same points that is currently being delivered. He would of course then left –SWAG and the Raos/Suhail couldn’t possibly have let him interfere for another season by speaking sensibly and calling out their lunacy.

Having said all this, sacking Eustace would probably achieve little. Obviously, we know it won’t happen anyway-too costly and too much on SWAGs string. And if we did, SWAG/Suhail would make sure that the next one would be a sure fire loser and yes-man.

 

 

Honestly mate, if he was still here I'd still be backing him, but "losing the will" wasn't part of the project. However it got here, the club is in a mess under his part stewardship. 

I'm way past pinning colours to the mast of any manager or player, those days are well gone, he's got his feet under another table and doesn't give Rovers a second thought. 

We played some great stuff under him, but he left us in a relegation battle, that's all I'm interested in right now, it's all about if Eustace can keep us up. 

3 hours ago, aletheia said:

How did he leave us in a mess? Yes obviously, the points tally. But Eustace has everything else. Players available that weren’t available to JDT, players supposedly happier and willing to play for a new manager because they didn’t like the old one, players who are capable of a passing game because JDT coached them well. So all should be set fair and yet he can’t muster a single win.

The blame it on JDT narrative is weak and smacks of club PR to divert attention from appalling management for the Raos, SWAG anda Suhail.

I'm not blaming him alone, but nobody can exonerate him from blame when he oversaw such a bad run after being in such a good position. 

When the team has been in such a bad run of form, I wouldn't expect anyone to just be able to flick a switch and it all be OK. It was always going to be about grinding results out, and in my opinion, if he can grind out enough to keep us up he'll have done a good job. At least we look tighter defensively under Eustace, which is the main thing with only one bloke scoring. 

I suppose the difficulty of Eustace's job depends on how big a mess he inherited, to me we were definitely going down under Tomasson. 

Two better performances against Boro and Ipswich have only brought 1 point. It's important we keep up that level of performance, if we do the results will improve. 

Fancy us for a hard fought 0 1 win. 

18 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

If people wanted to sell one of our star players to our main rivals for automatic promotion at the time - more fool them. The fact that our so called manager wanted to do the same tells you all need to know  about his "ambition."

Similarly Brereton. We could have sold him at a ridiculously low price but he was our top scorer wirh 14 goals the following season and we ended up missing out on the play offs by goal difference. Fine margins and hindsight is a wonderful thing.

None of these problems would have arisen in the first place had Mowbray and Waggott tied them all down when they should have. I'm not rewriting history at all.

 

Eh??? 

You wrongly accused him of not wanting to sell them , now you're accusing him of lacking ambition because he wanted to sell them. 

Let it go, whichever way you look at it we've fallen off a cliff this last 6 months. Blame Venkys, Broughton Tomasson or all 3,but It really has nothing to do with Mowbray. 

4 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

JDT took over a complete mess from Mowbray as well but exceeded overall expectations in his first season despite a very poor second half.

If you can't see that the financial restrictions JDT were working under IN THE END were light and day away from the financial support Mowbray received then there's not really much point debating it.

Plus Mowbray didn't have to put up with the same various transfer deadline day shenanigans.

I do agree Eustace's job is to keep us up by hook or by crook regardless of how pretty it is.

He didn't take over a complete mess, we'd just finished 8th and we subsequently finished 7th.We were near the top for much of the first half of this season, then and only then did the wheels come off. 

1 minute ago, Gav said:

You're looking in the wrong place to lay that blame, JDT was lied to and let down by the owners and CEO, its a familiar pattern. Eustace seems a good guy, the Birmingham fans loved him, but you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear, he's not a magician. 

If we go down or stay up, it matters not one jot, the decline of the club will continue until the owners sod off, owners that judge success by selling academy players, promotion isn't even in the equation.

I'm not blaming him as such, but the outcome is the outcome, he left us in a mess and it's Eustace's job to try to keep us up. 

He'll do well if he does. 

1 minute ago, Mattyblue said:

Of course it’s irrelevant to the here and now, it was 10 years ago - but it’s a fair historical comparison to make - bloke comes in during a season to take over a struggling side. 

It’s a message board, we can do such things.

We can, and it's a message board we can..... 

13 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

You might have noticed we're short of money now - Mowbray admitted himself that it was his decision not to renew any contracts during Covid which ultimately resulted in Lenihan, Rothwell, Nyambe and Brereton walking for nothing.

So whilst not 100% his fault he bears some responsibility.

That isn't true, Mowbray wanted to take the £3 million for Rothwell and reinvest,the owners turned it down. 

Rovers were offered £10 million for Brereton, a £4 million profit, the owners turned it down. 

You can't rewrite history. 

If you think there's a relevance then that's up to you, to me it has no relevance whatsoever to what is happening today. 

Back in the present,it depends how bad a job someone thinks Tomasson did IN THE END.

I think Eustace took over a complete mess from Tomasson and if he keeps us up he'll have done well. It matters not how good the football was last year, he didn't give a damn in the end. 

Well, some were blaming Mowbray last night, so I suppose it isn't much of a stretch to throw Appleton's record in, no matter how completely irrelevant it is. 

4 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

They're not a 'patch' on the previous lot because they're simply not allowed to spend any money.

We're £23m in the black in transfers this season and have cut our wage bill by 20%. We cut it the previous season too. 

It's a L1 budget now. 

I agree to a degree, but that wasn't the point. 

39 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

This is a fair point.

Now Adam Wharton has left which of the squad are really good enough?

I'd say one. Szmodics.

On occasion Scott Wharton and Dolan. The rest, forget it.

We're reaping the "benefits" of the Mowbray/Waggott/Venus era and after that having the worst CEO and DOF imaginable.

That's before you get onto the issues concerning the owners

Mowbray left a squad which finished 8th then 7th,a platform on which to build.

it's the subsequent disastrous transfer dealings, or lack of, which has done the damage,you only have to look at the quality of loan players under Broughton and Tomasson.

There's double the number of "recruitment" staff, yet they're not a patch on the previous lot

2 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

jesus himself could`nt have turned rovers round this season,injuries,bad bargain basement  signings and a complete shutdown of any transfer plan has rendered us a complete mess

We'd better hope so, let's hope Eustace can do what Tomasson couldn't. 

We were in freefall under Tomasson and going down. 

Some of the football under him, especially earlier this season, was as good as we've seen for a good while, but he obviously lacked the nous to turn around the form when a different approach was required. 

We were/are in a tailspin, hopefully Eustace can pull that nose up before we crash land into League 1.

4 hours ago, B16Rover said:

Hes made the board aware of his view of the admin error 

 

The admin side of the club are investigating this 

 

Reads to me football activities are not under Gregg, and Wag and co are investigating themselves? 

 

A significant money coming into the club and we will operate normally.  Is that normal football club normally, or Blackburn rovers normally? 

 

Sam Gallagher renewal is making my ears bleed 

 

 

A Gallagher contract extension would be the most sensible thing Broughton has done up to now. 

On 20/03/2024 at 22:23, JHRover said:

We charged Bristol fans £20 when they came to Ewood in December. So Rovers' away fans getting rinsed again. Just like we will at Leeds soon when they charge upwards of £40 for a televised game substantially more than we charged their fans at Ewood.

Eventually the penny might drop at Rovers that the way to deal with this is charge other clubs what they charge us, and offer proper discounts to Rovers fans who sign up to be members.

I agree with the principle, trouble is it's complaining about fans being overcharged, then subsequently overcharging other fans. It isn't the Bristol fans' fault. 

I know that there isn't much of  option, but it is a bit hypocritical. More needs to be done on reciprocal pricing. 

1 hour ago, BRFC4EVA said:

Quite the opposite. His contract is expiring and although he has purple patches, has huge periods of being useless. Easily replaceable and the fact we were gonna get 2.5m or so for him, lamentable decision not to sell. 

The fact his replacement fell through doesn't change that. 

The common sense thing to do would be to extend Gallagher's contract,get another 2 year's use out of him,he's already paid for.

Fact of the matter is, if he was at another club, Rovers couldn't afford him. Any similarly experienced forward would want similar wages.

Does that mean Stoke were charging £344 for the last 17 seasons?