23 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

xG measures the quality of chances being created by the team. We don’t score many because we don’t create many good quality chances & when we do we don’t convert them…so apart from that we’re looking good…!

I get that, but surely having someone on the pitch who knows where the net is, would increase the chance of getting into a goalscoring position, hence affecting the xg.

I don't normally take any notice of all that expected goals malarkey, but for a team which doesn't score many, I'd expect the loss of our top scorer to have an effect.

3 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

When the players probably knew Ismael waa coming in.

In the time honoured tradition on here of unfairly claiming or denying victories or attributing or not attributing defeats to managers Im tempted to mark that one down to VI as well.

So it's Swanseagate then? At least Eustace was at the ground 🤣

2 hours ago, Hasta said:

Eh?

"Looking at the starting line up of the win against Plymouth, every one of them was available for the defeat at Derby, plus he had Tronstadt and Ohashi back."

That is gospel. There's no other context to it. 

Regardless, the goalposts on this discussion are moving a bit. I accept that it is still early in his reign and he doesn't have a full strength squad.

All I'm pointing out is that when people keep saying "our form had already gone before he arrived", it hadn't. People will try and write that as gospel going forward and it's clearly not true. 3 from 5.

 

 

 

How many in 10 or 15? How about the last game before he took over?

Once again,the performances have been woeful, carrying on from the Swansea debacle,,but it's a lot more nuanced than just keeping on quoting 3 in 5.

8 hours ago, Hasta said:

Come on now.

Looking at the starting line up of the win against Plymouth, every one of them was available for the defeat at Derby, plus he had Tronstadt and Ohashi back.

Against Cardiff yesterday only Brittain was missing, again with Tronstadt and Ohashi available.

 

We've lost our top scorer and both left sided forwards. Hyam looks like he's only playing because there's nobody else. 

I'm not defending  the performances, they've  been terrible, but to just trot out those figures as if they're gospel, without any context, doesn't tell the full story.

7 minutes ago, Hasta said:

I keep saying it because it is undisputedly true. People keep quoting the stats from the last 14 or 16 games as though it shows the current form is to be expected, ignoring there had been an upturn in fortunes.

If I went back to the match threads against Preston, West Brom and Plymouth I guarantee people who are saying how bad our form has been were also saying how well we played in those games.

Yes he has injuries. Probably a bit worse than Lowe and Eustace had although he now has Tronstadt and Ohashi back.

But we’ve just lost to 3 poor relegation-threatened teams which I don’t believe Lowe or Eustace would have done. I put the blame for that squarely at the tactical switch in formation by VI.

The fact is, we weren’t a team in free fall that couldn’t get a win anywhere. We had won 3 from 5. 

We had, but the fact also is that he hasn't got the same players at his disposal.

Where's Hedges when you need him.

12 minutes ago, Hasta said:

3 wins from 5

You keep saying that, where's our top scorer?

And that's just one example.

9 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

It's completely irrelevant.

As others have pointed out Eustace inherited a team in free fall which had been conceding 2-3 goals per match.

Ismael inherited a spirited outfit which had been in or around the play off positions all season thanks to the ethos Eustace created.

I think you're painting a rosier picture with that last paragraph than is true to be honest. The rot had well and truly set in, and the squad Ismael has to work with is down to its bare bones.

It isn't a fair comparison.

6 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

He looks like a child out of the crowd - he's unbelievably small and slow. 

When he failed to control the ball and lost it, I said he looks like our 5 year old grandson kicking a balloon round our front room, but with less control.

9 minutes ago, NeilInBristol said:

The difference between JE and VI 

JE was making gold out of sh**

VI was unemployed 

 

Derby paid Rovers to get JE out of his contract 

VI was unemployed and has now cost us promotion 

 

Stupid yes man situation again

This situation is 4 months in the making, not 4 games.

17 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

Yes it was so.obvious to all of us. An arrangement to maintain spirit was all that was needed.

Pity we lost at Swansea. We could have hopefully plodded on for a little while longer.

Can't remember exactly but the run under Eustace before he left was something like 2 wins in 11. The league position belied the fact that we were on a terrible run.

Then again, it doesn't really matter what formation is used if the players fail to turn up.

I thought, pre Derby, that the only way we'd get a run together would be to try to get back to being tight at the back again,with a defensive 6 +Pears. That's despite it not having really worked for 3 or 4 months.

I was assuming that the players would have actually given a shit, my mistake on that detail.

So, I'm now of a mind that Ismael needs to start kicking a good few up the arse and finding out who actually cares.

I don't really put any blame at Ismael's door for the last 2 "performances", although Dolan would have been the last player I'd have taken off last night, if they all tried as hard as him we'd be in a much better place.

I can't do with sulking in life in general, let alone overpaid tossers who let the club down in the last 2 shitshows.

So, kick some arse Ismael, and don't pull any punches.

3 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said:

dolan is coming up to his good game,he`s had 9 shit ones so he`s due his good one

He's the last player I'd have taken off last night.

Well, Eustace's way stopped working months ago, well before he left.

Might as well see what the Ismael way looks like, hopefully it involves some home truths, that was truly pathetic. Should be arses kicked all over the dressing room after that "performance"

Bad decision taking Dolan off.

2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Kaminski had been excellent barring a couple of games right before he broke down with an injury he was carrying. People at the time seemed to only remember those 2 or 3 games when justifying keeping Pears in the team.

I don't really remember thinking of him as excellent. At the time, there wasn't any obvious gulf  between the two, resulting in Pears keeping his place.

10 hours ago, Jackh said:

Or was Tomasson told to prefer Pears?

I'm not having tat to be honest.

20 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I never said there was an ulterior motive. I said it was the wrong decision by Tomasson.

Although based on the fact that Kaminski was his number 1 up until he got that injury, I think it was as much a case of him not wanting to change towards the end of the season rather than actually thinking that Pears was a better keeper.

Who do you think is a better keeper?

At the time, I didn't think there was much in it to be honest, I thought Pears probably suited the way Tomasson wanted to play rather than Kaminski. Pears was by far the better with the ball at feet, especially in tight areas.

Kaminski definitely improved the longer he stayed out of the team, as per most players.

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

That implies that a manager is always right. He was wrong with that decision.

For the majority of the time he picked Kaminski. Pears only came in when Kaminski got injured but he seemingly didnt want to rock the boat and put back in the far superior keeper when he was fit again.

Tomasson obviously didn't think he was "far superior", or he'd have put him straight back in. 

There is no grey area here,no ulterior motive at play, Tomasson preferred Pears.

21 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I remember people trying to justify the decision to play Pears over Kaminski because he was "good with his feet."

He isnt.

Tomasson selected him, justification enough, you just never got over that he rated Pears over Kaminski.

1 minute ago, rigger said:

On your first statement, I would say make a judgement on what is happening now, and don't be guided by what has happened in the past.

It won't even be up for consideration.

17 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

what makes you think the ismael reign is going to be any different,he`s not going to be bestowed with transfer cash and the only transfer policy is there is`nt one🙂

There will be transfers, of that there is no doubt. In what form God knows, but we will get players.

It's more the question of who picks them which needs confirmation.

Just can't imagine not renewing to be honest.

I just hope that Ismael and the club are in line with transfer policy, whatever it is, and if indeed there is one. We surely can't have another "who picks the players to sign" situation.

If it's Gestede or if it's Ismael then so be it, as long as Ismael is happy with the situation. The half arsed disaster of Eustace and Tomasson is no good to anyone.

Once Batth is fit, our best chance of a decent run in, is to try to regain the form of the back 7 players,now Tronstad is back, and that includes Pears in goal.

We're also largely dependent on Beck and Pickering recovering quickly and getting up to speed.

If we can regain anything like the defensive solidity of earlier in the season, and with Gueye now looking like a proper centre forward, it's the only way I see us having even half a chance.

30 minutes ago, Ghost7 said:

From a players perspective with this amount of disruption during what you would consider a successful season. Why wouldn’t you feel something is wrong?

It’s largely unheard of.

If your answer to that is, you wouldn’t, nothing is wrong Eustace was just a snake. Then you’re a deluded prat. 

The problem is a good chunk of our fanbase (the happy clappers) will fully be thinking that way.

There’s a major IQ issue in football fanbases. 

Other than come on here and call other fellow Rovers fans happy clappers, what have you done that makes you a non happy clapper?

That phrase proper gets on my tits.