If they've turned up Monday and  trained well and worked on what they need to do,you know, done what they're paid to do, we should win.

If they've turned up with a face like a slapped arse,looking for excuses, we've no chance.

Both scenarios include both playing and coaching staff.

I said when we were leaving on Saturday, when do we have to come back again? 

2 hours ago, islander200 said:

A queue for Ole?Is that why he is still out of work 2 years after leaving united?

He did shit at Cardiff 

I said a queue for the Rovers job. 

18 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

For everyone's sake, JDT needs to leave. In his own words, this isn't what he signed up for. His heart isn't in it, hasn't been all season. For a while now, his continued employment has been detrimental to both the club and him. He will relegate us, no doubts. Our defensive record this season has been truly embarrassing, some of the goals we concede are the stuff of amateur football.

That said, I do think JDT will go on somewhere and be a good manager, he's already won league titles elsewhere. He just isn't what we need. 

Cap in hand to John Eustace and pray to God he wasn't just a flash in the pan, like Beale is proving to be.

What we need is someone who can get the best out of the players we've got, rather than sulking about what we haven't got,we just haven't got time for belly aching. 

If Tomasson is up for it then fair enough, get on with it, if not then get rid. I'd personally be giving Solsjaer a ring, see what he's up to, but contrary to popular belief, there would be a fair queue. Eustace does seem like a motivator, as does Rowett, but do they fit in with the "project"? 

1 hour ago, roverblue said:

Agreed him and Pears were the only two that deserved praise I thought. Gally put a shift in as well.

I'd agree with that, maybe throw Tronstad in as he at least kept going and kept the ball moving. A goal always gets forgotten when you lose, but good to see Gallagher score again, 2 in a week, let's hope he can keep it going. 

18 minutes ago, Lancaster Rover said:

Agreed and I think this is where we do need to have some nuance and separate the two issues of off field shit show and on field shit show.
 

Whilst there is no denying the two have a link, our performance today was unacceptable regardless of anything else that’s going on. there was a point in the first half where JRC, hyam and Wharton stood, after Armstrong missed his 57th chance hands out looking at each saying “what do we do” they looked totally lost, which considering hyam, JRC and Scott have probably 200 championship appearances between is a pretty damping indictment of how we set up to play 

You've said it better than I could. My granddaughter came today, she's 12 and plays all the time, rather than watching.

Twenty minutes in she said when did him with the bun come on?

5 minutes ago, booth said:

You don't blame Waggott for not closing down Hodge, you blame him for being a supine fuckwit. For allowing the squad to fall into such decline. For employing a manager incapable of a relegation scrap. All of those things that have led us to this moment.

You're right, I'm not exonerating anyone of blame, but that doesn't help at 3 o'clock next Saturday. Lancaster Rover has summed it up perfectly above.

16 minutes ago, booth said:

Arguably, a clumsily assembled team of mismatched players will be playing.  Certainly not players capable of a relegation fight, which the CEO and Venkys puppets knew about in advance but failed to prepare for both in terms of coaching staff and players.

Even worse, when the head coach offered to leave he was told to carry on his footballing philosophy. Champagne football on next to no budget.

Come on, they can play a lot better than they did today, their second goal was pathetic from our point of view. At that point, I have to admit I wasn't blaming Waggot for not closing Hodge down,sorry.

1 minute ago, booth said:

The owners aren't doing anything. They passively allow a handful of under qualified people to make the executive decisions whilst their sleazy affairs impact the clubs finances.

That's what will lead the club to relegation.

If you deny that, then you're excusing them.

I'm not excusing anyone anything. 

Whatever happens at board level happens, but they're not playing against Stoke next Saturday and we badly need a result. 

1 minute ago, booth said:

There's a lot worse than sulking going on behind the scenes.

The owners need to sell the club, they are clearly incapable of governing it and have little respect for BRFC as a historic institution, and even less respect for the fans.

The owners aren't picking the team, or pulling their boots on, let's not make it an excuse.

That today wasn't acceptable and it will lead to relegation. 

16 minutes ago, rigger said:

It is time to show if JDT is a good manager or not.

Agreed, we've played some great stuff this season, we know we can do it. I just can't do with the thought of sulking behind the scenes. 

We're in a position where we can't afford anything less than 100%. To be honest, I'm way past pinning my colours to the mast of any player, coach or manager. They can all stay or go, I'll get over it. 

If he wants to go, then go. If he wants to stay then stay, but what we can't afford is for him to stay and be sulking around the place.

I don't go to work all week to watch that gutless shite on a Saturday, I don't care whose fault it is.

2 minutes ago, Blue blood said:

That's a barefaced lie. Couple of examples being the state of Ewood Park and the pitch. Both exempt from FFP, neither maintained appropriately. 

Even if it were true- which it isn't- that's like praising a mad axe murderer for not coming grannies out of their pensions. 

Andy Bayes was gushing in his praise for the groundsman on radio Lancashire before the Wrexham game, saying what a good job he'd done. 

Decent signings Fleck and Mcfadzean, adding  much needed experience and bollocks.

26 minutes ago, booth said:

Could I ask why? I thought Yates was excellent last season. 15 goals in a poor team and a lot of spirit, a bit like our Sammie.

I don't think I've ever used that word to describe Gallagher.

I liked Yates at Blackpool, I'm not saying he wouldn't be a good signing, although apparently Swansea would be happy to cut their losses already, which casts a bit of a doubt.

I just think I'd rather stick with Gallagher personally, if he's fit I'd say he's quite a bit more accomplished, and experienced at Championship level. 

It's all about opinions. 

10 minutes ago, booth said:

I'd hope that Gallagher plus wages + a Ennis being shipped out on loan would equal 1x Jerry Yates (or similar).

There is always a big emphasis on Gallagher's wages, makes me wonder what percentage of his wages Yates would be on.

My opinion, I certainly wouldn't swap. The only possible consideration would be Gallagher's injury record. 

7 minutes ago, booth said:

This massively depends on how important you think he is to the team.

According to Rich Sharpe, about a 40% more chance of winning when he played last season. 

My only doubt would be his injury record, other than that, I think we'd struggle to get anywhere near to replacing him with the money being mentioned. 

26 minutes ago, booth said:

It could still happen, but with him being the only (proper) senior striker at the club, they'll want someone else through the door first. I'll be surprised if he doesn't go purely based on his wages but perhaps the Wharton sale will mean we keep him.

Rovers best option would be to extend his contract, we'd be very lucky to sign someone anywhere near to Gallagher's importance to the team for £2 million. 

The new forward may want paying as well. 

11 hours ago, tomphil said:

Apart from JDT saying that he was "one of the more expensive lads"

If it was just about being desperate to save money, would they not have taken £2 million for Gallagher, and saved the biggest wage packet at the club? 

The figures just don't seem plausible. 

7 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Does he have to be on half a million a week for his not being here to save us wages?

Slight exaggeration admittedly, but come on, how much can he possibly be on? 

You don't banish your captain to save his wage, it isn't remotely plausible. 

It's Garrett's shirt to lose now, it's up to him, what an opportunity. 

51 minutes ago, JHRover said:

3 weeks ago we loaned our captain out to a league rival. An inexplicable and unforgivable move that appears only more and more foolish now we are set to lose Adam Wharton to the inevitable PL interest.

If anyone was under any illusions as to just what a desperate financial state these owners (not FFP, covid, Indian government etc) have created at this club that decision illustrates it perfectly.

Of course selling Adam Wharton hurts and I'm sure within a few years as with Raya and Cairney we will be wishing we had held on for more, but fundamentally £20 million is a lot of cash (that should be a game changer to the club) and Palace are a PL club. The move therefore makes sense, it can be justified as much as we can debate and discuss the figures and timings.

The Travis one cannot be because we jumped into it to desperately get his wages off the books, leaving ourselves short on numbers and with no money to reinvest into replacements. 

So yeah, they were always going to jump at the chance to rake in millions, we're in such a state we can't even meet our existing wage obligations and are turfing out the captain to a rival to save cash. 

 

 

I don't believe for one minute that Travis went to save his wages, how much is he on, half a million a week? 

8 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

A win in which the 2 divisions between the teams was in full view, a massive gulf.

The formation I am not a fan of and we won in spite of it, due to the far superior quality on show, not because of it. Championship sides would have tore us to shreds. Both Dolan and Sigurdsson cannot defend and equally were hindered going forward.

Szmodics and Gallagher were the difference makers, such a threat. Szmodics' finishing gets better and better and we are so reliant on him. Gallagher is an actual Championship striker and miles above Leonard, Ennis and Telalovic whose touch is miles off. If he is sold he will leave a big void that wont be easy to replace, all this "ill drive him there" stuff is nonsensical.

Tronstad was very good, Garrett very poor and lacks ability on the ball, if he plays more as a result of Wharton leaving its such a huge downgrade. Hyam and Scott Wharton were fine, JRC is one of our stand out players but still rusty and Pears made a big error but made up for it.

Garrett did struggle,especially first half, but played a great ball through to Gallagher leading to the first goal. There's something there to work with. 

17 minutes ago, booth said:

I imagine that 2 year extension would come with a wage increase, to an already high wage. So not sensible considering we won't get that level of performance in the Championship week in week out. He seems to be getting ever more injury prone, and we'll never see £2m again.

Obviously that comes with the caveat that we get to use the £2m and the wages saved to sign a replacement/replacements.

We'll get nowhere near Gallagher's quality with £2 million, the replacement may want some wages as well I'm guessing.

3 minutes ago, BigUts said:

My first home game in a wee while and I was treated to some corporate hospitality which to be fair I thought was decent. 

My two cents;

Pears - not much to do other than almost gift Wrexham a second goal. The follow up save was excellent but the basic error leading to it was genuinely terrible. Take it in or push it wide - not straight back out! Seen him do this a LOT. Still a liability just less of one compared to Wahlstedt.

JRC - boy how we've missed him. Strong and aggressive. He is basically the antithesis of Britain.

Hyam and Carter - bundled them together. Both solid and decent. Didn't give much away in terms of chances

Sigurdsson - unfamiliar position for him and didn't seem to suit him

Trondstad - my MOTM. Thought he played really well and was nice to see him rifle one in the roof of the net. The guy must be the first name on the team sheet

Garrett - at fault for their goal and had a VERY poor first half. Gave the ball away a lot and didn't have his usual bite. 

Moran - drifted in and out as usual and his final pass kept letting him down. 

Dolan - tried hard but really flattered to deceive. He was getting in a right strop first half as he kept being unable to beat McClean but he should be admired for his persistence. Very unlike Dolan he fired some lovely long ranges passes about tonight

Szmodics - love the energy and the work rate. Took both his goals well and is probably underrated in the finishing stakes. Constantly passes the ball accurately in to the corners and almost looks like a 'proper' number 9 in this regard. Almost Rhodes-like IMHO

 

Gallagher - effort not lacking and got a goal and assist but was pretty quiet all in all. Seems to still be feeling himself back a later after injury.

 

Interestingly in the post match stuff during S Wharton's MOTM presentation he dropped a little hint at a signing or two before the window closes in a couple of days...

Carter is on crutches. 

Garrett did have a mare first half, but he did play a nice ball through leading up to the first goal (think it was him, not seen it back yet).