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On 26/07/2021 at 23:38, inflikted said:
Crystal Palace have out-Blackburned Blackburn
Utterly disgusting.
I mean it’s a nice shirt but it is a Rovers shirt.
They can claim they had it first off they want - I don’t imagine there are any colour photos of it - but that is a Rovers shirt.
There’s a video on YouTube and the Palace fans in the comments are all salivating over it. Just cements the fact that Blackburn Rovers have the best and most iconic kit in the country.
Just a shame the clowns currently in charge of the club don’t have a clue, and we are back to playing in blue in the first half and playing in white in the second.
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On 26/07/2021 at 11:41, Wheelton Blue said:
A natural reaction to being criticised or to be accused of failure, is to blame other people. It's called not being accountable.
This could be Maggott/Mowbray blaming others for their own failures, who in turn are walking away.
'Sorry Madam. We failed last season because the pitch our groundsman laid was crap; our players weren't fit enough because the fitness coach didn't train them properly; our recruitment team didn't find good enough players...
Well get rid of them for you.'
Well Kean did do exactly that with John Jensen.
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On 25/07/2021 at 21:04, Wheelton Blue said:
Getting the vaccine not only reduces the chances of you getting infected, it also reduces the likelihood of you infecting someone else.
I call that personal responsibility.
These liberal 'I'll do what I want types' can go ahead and do what they want, we live in a democratic society after all. But don't come anywhere near me or my at-risk family, thanks all the same.
Sources please, including the percentage reductions.
Also, you are right, we do live in a democratic society, where people have rights. These are being taken away so as to enforce the governments will onto the people they serve. A will that seems to change every five minutes. Vaccine passports were discussed in March in parliament, and all of the reasons against them remain valid.
Meanwhile, the long term effects of the vaccine are unknown. Everyone who has it is taking a personal risk. The younger you are, the greater that risk is. For these young people the risks may even be greater than the virus itself. We don’t know. This vaccine won’t be fully FDA approved for at least 6 months while data is gathered to ensure safety. Until then how can this be mandated? Blackmailing young people on this basis, and telling them they can’t have a social life, and even higher education, is immoral. Let’s have the safety confirmed and then it’s a different discussion.
This is a very emotive topic but we need to remain objective and be really clear about what is being asked of people and why. Right now the perceived benefits are not factual but based on a climate of fear and a government without an exit strategy who are backed into a corner, and are extorting young people into taking risks which could affect them later in life.
Lest we forget, Thalidomide was once believed to be completely safe…
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On 25/07/2021 at 21:37, tomphil said:
Unsurprisingly i was one of the ones who would say similar to above. Get vaccinated and stop moaning or take your chances but don't expect special treatment and spoil things for everyone else.
My other half didn't want it so she got my response and similar from others. That was 9 weeks ago and she hasn't worked since and spent 10 days in hospital on a drip and having anti blood clotting injections etc.
So there is good reason to consider if you want it or not. Forcing the issue isn't the way forwards just let people decide for themselves and don't punish, exclude or penalize anybody.
Shit, man. Hope your missus is ok.
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On 25/07/2021 at 20:20, rigger said:
If that stopped deaths would that be a bad thing
So you don’t believe in personal responsibility after all?
The idea that we should prevent anyone who ever drinks alcohol from owning a car is absurd.
But in any case, your whole emotive analogy is off - maybe deliberately so.
Read back through my posts and you’ll see why.
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On 25/07/2021 at 20:16, rigger said:
That theory should apply to people who want to drink and drive.
Stupid example.
The equivalent response to that would be stop anyone who drinks alcohol from owning a car and having daily breathalysers before anyone gets behind the wheel.
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On 25/07/2021 at 20:11, rigger said:
Why doesn't everyone take some personal responsability. Get the vaccine, get a passport, go to whatever events you want.
That isn’t “personal responsibility”.
That’s “just fucking do are you’re told”.
Personal responsibility is accepting that “if you get ill because you’ve not been vaccinated, don’t expect any sympathy”. That’s an entirely reasonable response.
Now that the unvaccinated are in the minority the NHS won’t be overwhelmed so let’s just all crack on.
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On 25/07/2021 at 19:50, K-Hod said:
Apologies if I wasn’t clear enough, but I’m sure anyone that has been vaccinated would rather catch Covid, than someone that hasn’t. I imagine their experience wouldn’t be as bad, owing to the protection the vaccine would provide.
That’s what I was driving at.
So they have a choice to have the vaccine or stay away from venues. If they choose not to have one or to go out unvaccinated then that’s up to them. However they should NOT be excluded from society - which is what vaccine passports will do.
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On 25/07/2021 at 19:37, K-Hod said:
Couldn’t the vaccinated person still be a carrier and pass it on to the unvaccinated person, though? Therefore potentially causing the associated problems?
That’s precisely my point. Vaccinated or not it makes no difference. Hence passports are pointless from a health perspective.
At this point everyone likely to become ill (barring vulnerable outliers) has been offered at least one vaccine. If they have chosen not to have one then it is their right and their choice.
As you point out, if a vaccinated person can carry and pass on the virus, why should they be allowed to go to a football match or to a night club or to a cinema, and an unvaccinated person (through choice) not be allowed to. Effectively becoming an outcast.
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On 25/07/2021 at 19:22, Hannoverover said:
Health and freedom debate aside, I was assuming that more fans would be willing to attend with the passports than would be lost due to them? I'm assuming a certain % of the population will still want to join in but be cautious too.
It would be a mess if Ewood had to close again over winter.
That’s a real strawman. (Also, I can’t believe your previous post - it’s “only” a QR code - you really need to read up on your history).
Don’t introduce passports at all. Which fans are going to refuse to attend if they aren’t? You are advocating relegating unvaccinated people to second class citizens and you seem to just see them as an expendable minority.
Children won’t have them. Why does an 18yo need a jab (and evidence of such) and their 17yo mate doesn’t? Is the latter less of a risk?
Your arguments are built on sand considering even with a jab and a passport you can still carry and pass on the virus.
If I don’t have a vaccine it doesn’t make any difference to you - as long as you’ve had yours.
I really worry about the direction of the world under Gen Z.
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On 25/07/2021 at 17:31, Hannoverover said:
you are 100% correct, it shouldn't, but in an ongoing pandemic it's probably the best way to have maximum attendances. Ability to take part is dependent on being either not infected or vaccinated. I agree with the slippery slope and in theory a flu pandemic (last one was 1918) could Iin theory lead to similar actions- although hopefully not!
The current vaccines are working brilliantly against the current variants. I think you are 66% less likely to become infected and roughly the same in infecting someone else.
True, however if everyone is vaccinated (or approx 90% of society with SARS-CoV-2) then the chain will be broken. I agree vaccination should be a personal choice.
Scientifically it makes sense, it's just what each society and country wants to do.
Scientifically vaccine passports make sense?
It’s not science, it’s 100% political.
As for breaking the chain, you would need the entire world vaccinated. It’s not going to happen. So you just hand over your freedom instead? How long for? Forever?
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On 25/07/2021 at 09:24, Hannoverover said:
I think it's a good idea, but only if free tests are available for the 10-20% who have decided not to get vaccinated. You can easily argue that the minor inconvenience of an extra 30 mins for choosing not to get vaccinated is morally acceptable. Will also make economic sense with fewer people isolating and not attending matches/working, plus more cost effective for the NHS. People unable to be vaccinated should initially be classed as vaccinated, but encouraged to get tested.
This should allow everyone to attend and create a safe environment. Maybe more people will attend if they know their neighbours who they are rubbing shoulders with during the game are also less likely to infect them.
Even though I'm fully vaccinated, healthy and youngish, I wouldn't want to be in the middle of the blackburn end at the moment. Would be Riverside for me like the good old days :-)
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Going to a football match should not require anybody to share their medical history. The more we consent the more they will take. What next, HIV status added to your ‘passport’? Mandatory flu vaccines and your status updated? Your ability to take part in society dependent on vaccination waiting lists?
Too many people have been given paid holidays through the furlough scheme, with test kits and vaccines thrown at everyone for free. What if they eventually start charging for vaccine boosters? Still ok, still moral acceptable?
Anyone who doesn’t feel safe going out in public with other human beings has the choice to stay at home. The rest of us need to get on living.
And what if someone rocks up at the football after having a positive test? Sent away? Prosecuted for biological warfare? For what, to avoid someone who has been vaccinated from having a headache?
The vaccine either works and prevents death or it doesn’t. If it doesn’t then how is it that deaths are a fraction of previous, despite the continued correlation-based 28 day rule?
Meanwhile, being vaccinated also doesn’t stop you carrying and spreading the virus so what is the point of a passport? On the basis that the only person it protects is yourself, getting one should be a matter of personal choice.
Minor inconvenience indeed.
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If true I wonder if it related to the incoming head of recruitment and potentially a change of emphasis on the academy?
If we don’t have a Cat 1 academy then we don’t need to have the facilities for one.
Even if it isn’t, it doesn’t look good that staff and players continue to leave while the only incomings are Mowbray’s mates.
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On 21/07/2021 at 11:24, Parsonblue said:
I watched that 64-65 team and yes it was a cracking side - one of the best I've seen at Ewood. But Pickering wanted away due to the wage situation at Ewood. Local businessmen who had limited finances were suddenly thrust into a situation were it was impossible to compete with the big city clubs in terms of wages.
The likes of Bill Bancroft and Bill Fox did a great job - often under appreciated at the time I admit - to keep us competitive on little or no money. John Williams and Tom Finn ran the club superbly on limited finances compared with other Premier League clubs.
The owners made mistakes when they first got involved with the club and whilst one could understand initial mistakes the fact that ten years later the club continues its downward spiral suggests that they still haven't a clue how to run a football club. Throwing £20 million a year at it and not coming close to getting anywhere near the play-offs, let alone promotion, is not a sign of good ownership it's a sign of complete incompetence.
After 60 years of supporting this club I feel totally despondent about the future of this club. I've renewed my season ticket more out of habit than anything else. For the first time in more years than I care to remember I will not spend money renewing my away travel season ticket - partly due to Covid and partly due to the mind-numbing football that we play.
Our squad this season is weaker than last and frankly if we finish fourth from bottom I will view that as an excellent outcome.
As many on here will tell you, I've been one that has been prepared to give the owners time to get it right but, sadly, I've come to the conclusion that they will never get it right because they just aren't interested in the club.
I know we’ve had our differences in the past but it honestly breaks my heart to read that post.
Are you reading Waggott? I suspect not. But if any of his minions are, please pass on to your boss that he is complicit in what is happening and the impact it is having on the very fans are the absolute bedrock of this club and contribute to his undeserved salary.
Either start behaving like a CEO worthy of the title or piss off somewhere else. You aren’t fit to lace Paul Senior’s slip-ons - and he is no longer in football!
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9 hours ago, Gav said:
What many of us have been saying for years, sadly some fans do not see that the real issues lie upstairs, some post on here.
The changes can only start on the pitch and in the dugout but fans know that the real issues lie upstairs and with the club now heavily indebted to the Venky’s, it begs the question of whether we’ll see change before we see relegations, worsening financial problems and the collapse of a once great Blackburn Rovers.
I'll also add that I've never heard the phrase ‘Mowbrayball’ from the article..
As @arbitro said last week and some of us have been saying for a while, give me non league football tomorrow to get rid of Venkys and I'd take that now. This club and town can then start to rebuild, hopefully in time for my grandchildren to take on the baton and do it with pride and passion for this once great football club.
But we digress....
What if they don’t leave, Gav?
Because that’s the current premise.
Any right-thinking Rovers fan knows Venkys are the problem but unless someone has a bright idea to get rid of them (boycotts won’t be supported), or somehow convince them that they need to be more hands-on, then two wrongs don’t make a right and Mowbray still needs replacing.
What a club. 😟
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22 minutes ago, DeeCee said:
A reasonable piece ruined by the final couple of paragraphs.
We are in the state we are on Mowbray’s watch. The idea that no other manager could do better is a fallacy.
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Kübler-Ross sums up the current situation (as well as the decade under Venkys). The only change I’d make to their chart below is to recognise that the right hand side is, and will remain, lower than the left hand side.
When Allardyce was sacked, we were in denial and believed there would be a better man coming in. While Kean was here we were in the anger stages and we have been bouncing between anger and trying to find meaning (or hope) ever since. Now too long under Mowbray and Waggott (compounded by a pandemic where we have only been able to sit and watch without any ability to show our feelings) we are a mixture of hopelessness and hostility, and people are losing interest. Right now most people are accepting that Mowbray is untouchable and, as far as Venkys appear to be concerned, he is more important than the club. As a result people will move on (Dunny style or post-PL-relegation style).
Anyone who is still enthused about the upcoming season hasn’t even started their own cycle yet - and most likely never will.
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13 hours ago, K-Hod said:
‘I let the senior players decide where they are with their fitness’.
It’s either incredible laziness, or a bit negligent….
Have to wonder what Rovers insurers think about that statement.
If I were them I would take that as admission of wilful neglect and start refusing payouts.
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4 hours ago, arbitro said:
Fylde normally play in white shirts at home but today they wore yellow without any numbers on them. I have been told that the only kit Rovers could get from Macron was the white one so there were frantic phone calls between the clubs yesterday with Fylde generously offering to play in yellow but couldn't get numbers on in time.
We are an absolute amateur outfit, wearing amateur outfits, (not) supplied by an amateur outfit.
If Macron couldn’t supply we should have gone to a local kit manufacturer and made Macron pay for the kits and the embarrassment.
”Macron only had white” - fucking hell!
Dealing with Macron we can expect supply issues for the foreseeable future.
Get them old kits on people.
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21 hours ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said:
I think you need to remember the Kean era
How long is this tired excuse going to be rolled out?
We should accept permanent mediocrity because “it could be worse”. If that’s the case we may as well all find something else to do with our time.
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Boycotts are never going to happen. Some folk wouldn’t even turn their back on a match for 10 seconds if it were seen as some kind of organised protest. “You won’t tell me what to do” and “you’re not a real fan”. We will have fans queuing up for the new Rovers shirt. We can’t even boycott that.
And while that is the case, there will be no pressure placed on Mowbray or Waggott from the terraces. Certainly not in any pre-emptive way.
The ONLY thing that will create a pseudo-united fan-base against Mowbray will be a sustained run of defeats with us rooted in the bottom three, and organic chants from the dwindling numbers at the games.
Sadly, if Mowbray simply wants a pay off he is going nowhere until the end of next season at the earliest. No amount of booing or chanting or STs thrown on the pitch with have any affect without a compensation deal.
Utterly stuck with people who only have their own best interests at heart.
Go, don’t go, it doesn’t matter. While Tombola Tony continues to pick an XI to “do a job” all of the support in the world makes no difference, and any boycott would just be spun as a lack of commitment from fans.
They hold all of the cards. I imagine they must laugh about it, and at us, behind closed doors. Imagine being so incompetent with no clue how to fix things, and being given an annual green light to carry on anyway.
I’m fully expecting that Waggott’s mission right now will be tying Mowbray down to a new contract as a priority. The fact there has been no talk about this being his last season speaks volumes.
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4 hours ago, LordBaltimore said:
The unusual story of how BB ended up in South America this winter [July is winter in Chile].
How Blackburn Rovers Season Ticket Holder Helped Make Ben Brereron A Chile Star
That Mark bloke went from hero to zero in that article. Started the ball rolling on his Chile connection and then turned on his fellow supporters: “I know what Rovers fans can be like” and that fans being locked out was some kind of blessing.
Until this Summer/Winter, Brereton has been a dreadful disappointment yet has had no grief from the stands. Nada. If anything we have been too soft and allowed standards to fall (pushed).
On the one hand, the Chilean interest is wonderful and a huge boost to Ben and to Rovers, and could even be a revenue source. On the other hand, if he doesn’t continue his new form that comes with improved confidence then it could be very short lived. If Mowbray remains manager, we may even be better selling while his stock is high. Now, under a better manager, and played in the right way, he could be a huge asset - particularly if there is an Armstrong-shaped hole to fill.
BBD taking his opportunity should be a huge source of embarrassment to The Flipchart Scribbler. He couldn’t get this kind of form out of him in two years!
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So are we under an embargo yet then?
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10 hours ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:
Blackburn Rovers kit update as Macron partnership starts | Lancashire Telegraph
'Stoke City and Bolton Wanderers have both unveiled their away shits this week, both supplied by Macron, and are priced at £48 for adults'
They've taken their marketing to the next level. Coming soon to the Roverstore ...
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Kit supplier and sponsor from 21/22
in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
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