5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

"Falling asleep" again is obviously blatantly not true. Your illustrious sporting career aside, I don't get the fascination with how he behaves on the touchline. There are many better managers that are equally if not even less animated than him as I gave an example of in Allardyce. Alternatively, some of the most incompetent managers in the game kick every ball on the touchline like Coyle did. I dont really think that it makes any difference, you could argue that a manager constantly running around like a mad man would only pass over signals of panic and chaos if it did.

If the results were good, as they were for example in League 1, no one gave a shit about his touchline demeanour. Ultimately, when results became poor last season, his unchanged touchline demeanour then became a further stick to poke him with when inadequate results is more than enough on its own to justify an opinion of wanting a change.

Klopp, Mourinho, Ferguson, Shankley, got the best out of their players. The quiet ones Mercer, Busby had an aura that made good players great eg Tony Book. You can’t imagine Mowbray being one tenth as good as these managers.

5 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

I myself come from an elite sporting background and I'd say from my own experience in sport, he appears to be the least inspiring manager I've seen and I personally would struggle to get motivated to a man falling asleep in the dugout.

I’m not from an elite sporting background, but I did play football and cricket to my mid 40’s damaged ligaments curtailed my career. You want to give that extra for those managers that inspire you, not a boring uncharismatic manager. You don’t respond to shouting from the touch line, rather it’s encouraging and showing some passion that does the business. Mowbray OUT OUT OUT.

1 hour ago, rigger said:

The one against Accy completly lost control. The Accy number six swore directly at the ref. Everyone around the pitch could hear it. The ref did nothing. The Accy players from then on aimed all manner of foul language at all the officials, because they knew they would get away with it, (and they did ). It spoiled my enjoyment of the game, and set a poor example to the young lads watching.

Rigger that’s the problem, they are weak and afraid that they’ll not move up the ladder if they don’t toe the line with the big clubs. A premiership referee is now on a 6 figure salary so why would they not favour their clubs. By the time they are premiership referees they are in the big clubs pockets.

5 hours ago, rigger said:

The only thing that gets on my nerves about the U23s, is that the refs are as bad as the championship ones.

You’re wrong rigger the refs are fucking WORSE.  I can’t believe how incompetent they are. Some of the bookings against Leicester where unbelievable. The future is bright the future is blue and white. 

3 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

I think talk of an extension for Mowbray is wide of the mark, I bloody well hope so.

Sorry 1864 I work for an Indian multinational and they are very loyal to their staff, more to my annoyance. I’ve wanted redundancy for the last 5 years and I’m still employed. I’m 64 on the 11th of October and they’ve said I can go part time from my 65th birthday. You can’t get better employers. Mowbray and his bunch of no hopers are here for the long term.

11 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

Fair enough but he was shit for us.  Mistake after mistake...Good for him if he's improved but nobody improves under Mogadon 

Agreed Sparks, we should have sold Mowbray and kept the lad. Problem being we’d have to pay to get rid of the poor smuck. It shows that with a good goalkeeping coach and another couple of years development we’d have a £25m to £30 goalkeeper. For all those that disagree all I would say is look at Ramsdale to Arsenal.

I think I may stop going to Ewood and just watch the u23s. Highlights from Chelsea FC was great and unbiased.

Brentford beat West Ham to go 7th. Raya cheap buy, I wonder what those who thought it was a good deal think now. Selection to the Spain squad getting nearer by the day.

18 hours ago, rigger said:

He still has to sign a contract, when he comes of legal age. If he wanted to leave, the pre-contract would be worthless.

Rigger not bothered about the legal implications, I was responding that there was a pre contract, and from my Business Law days your correct it’s not enforceable but we can sue if the contract is not signed. 

4 hours ago, roverandout said:

Just making a point. Ffp

It’s FFP LOL

36 minutes ago, rigger said:

I think the academys biggest asset is Sam Burns. Ash Phillips could well develop into a good player, but as he isn't signed to the club yet, I wouldn't class him as a asset until he is.

He’s signed a pre-contact that comes into affect on his birthday.

2 hours ago, roverandout said:

Ffp ffp Ffp. Why are there no fans? Ffp. Why is Mowbray useless? Ffp. Why is the pitch so bad? Ffp

That’s a bit flippant.FFP affects how much we can spend on players salaries (first team only). It has no affect on the others. Mowbray was useless last season. We’ll see what this one brings. Lost fans should come and see what they’re missing. The pitch looks good to me and any infrastructure is excluded from FFP. I hope this clarifies the position we are in. Maggot out.

I agree Sparks, agents are the scum of the earth. Players need expert help when negotiating contracts, but these twats are only in it for their cut. I don’t understand why clubs have to pay. It’s the player’s responsibility to get the best advise. I have to pay for pension advise not my Indian employer.

13 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

I don't think anyone could argue with BB getting a pay rise...he has become an international and is on target to be our top scorer, spearhead.  He need tying down but I fear a good agent will get him a decent move.

36 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

That to me is the ultimate unfounded comparison, and a totally unsubstantiated one. Offering a miniscule fraction of the proceeds of a major sale to improve contract offers to tie down other valuable assets who can potentially then be sold at some point does not put us at risk of becoming like any of those clubs.

We could offer 3 of them new deals and sell one in January. If they all go for free, we will need to replace them all with freebies who will themselves require competitive wages, most likely will not carry comparitive value and will also of course expect signing on fees. FFP my arse.

Agreed somewhat 99, but FFP is not fixed with a one-off windfall. Until we get out of this god awful division we have to plan for the long term. Giving improved contracts to a few will make the rest unsettled. They have to keep a tight reign on costs until success is secured.

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

Weve just sold a 15m player, we can offer 3 or 4 players a few extra grand a week, 2k a week would be 100k a year. Even if it meant sacrificing one in January to keep the other 3. Financially, letting all of them leave for frees would be the most counterproductive option. FFP is a convenient excuse and one of which there has been no public mention even by Steve excuses Waggott of in regards to these new deals.

Unless we are guaranteed promotion then FFP comes into affect. I don’t want us to be the next Derby/Bolton or even Bury.

11 hours ago, windymiller7 said:

The Brentford Liverpool game was a terrific watch. Especially just having been on Ewood watching us demolish Cardiff.

That save Raya made from Jota in the first half was something else!

Agreed they got Raya on the cheap. Top class keeper, Arsenal must be kicking themselves that they ended up paying an additional £18m on Ramsdale.

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

Clearly not enough to entice any of these players to actually sign these contracts. Strike whilst the iron is hot and we are doing well, money is and always will be the driving factor behind such issues so there is no excuse. Just a continious spouting of how bad Covid is in India whilst half of our team runs down their contract and leaves us in the sheet. But at least Balaji "wrote" a letter saying that he cares. 

 

I dont see how the window can be seen as anything other than a failure, we havent improved the starting 11. We publically announced that we wanted a striker, we didnt get one. We signed 5 players and judging now, Clarkson looks like a little boy lost when he comes on, Van Hecke will be injured until the point when he will be one of 5 centre backs, so what was the point? Poveda has looked really poor in his only 2 starts, Edun is just a squad filler and Khadra looks the most promising of the 5 and he himself is a squad player. I hope at least some of the 5 grow into things and make significant contributions but we have just added to the numbers, it seems at this present moment.

The improvement has come through players that were already contracted here. Ayala is (temporarily at least) fit and has improved our defence, as has Pickering who signed in January. Brereton has also matched last seasons goal tally and Travis is back fit and in much better shape. Dolan has also showed flashes in some games. These all have benefitted the team but none of them reflect the transfer window.

FFP!

1 hour ago, DE. said:

Are you suggesting that the situation Mowbray currently finds himself in is similar to the situation he was in with WBA back in 2007/2008? An interesting take if so, but I can't imagine there are that many similarities as WBA had a pretty expensive squad for that era. I can't imagine they were having to take too many chances on youngsters stepping up, but I could be wrong as I will admit I don't know a great deal about WBA from that era. If you weren't making a comparison between their situation then and ours now then I'm not sure how relevant the comparison is as it was well over 10 years ago! Coyle was successful around that time too, after all.

As for there being no evidence for his teams having death spirals - I mean if you ignore his Championship tenure with us then sure, but it seems like a crucial piece of information to discard. For me his record with us over the past few years holds far more weight than his record with WBA over a decade ago, or any other teams he managed prior to us. 

Regardless of that I genuinely hope you are right and that this season things change for the better. I'd much rather your optimistic prediction proves correct and my pessimistic prediction proves completely wrong.

You miss the point again. I’m not comparing our situation to WBA. I’m say what evidence is that his teams have c5ashed in the past. Our team has changed dramatically from the last two years, and the youngsters in the team eg Buckley are two years older. Are you being purposely antagonist, and trying to get my posts pulled?

jack I don’t know if this works but it sets out the compensation rules between UEFA countries. It was fairly easy on a google search. Why don’t you try it before responding.

6 minutes ago, rigger said:

If the team are still getting good results, I would expect Dack to have to prove himself at U23 level first.

Agreed, that’s the normal route back into the first team. Plus it stress tests for injuries before he gets near the first team.

1 hour ago, DE. said:

Not sure how you've read this as me not giving him credit when I literally say in the quoted post it would be silly not to give him praise for the start of the season. 

As for why, again, reasons are stated as past history. If people want to consign his past record to the bin and pretend it hasn't happened that's fine, but fool me once, etc. 

What I was saying if you read my post again is that the makeup of the team AND the dynamics have changed from last season. How many senior players have left, leaving the youngsters to step up to the mark. Have you looked at his record at West Brom. There’s nothing to say his teams have death spirals mid season in the past. I’m not one of his fans but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.

1 hour ago, JacknOry said:

Not sure that's correct, be happy to be proven otherwise. 

Why don’t you check out the UEFA/FIFA rules.

35 minutes ago, DE. said:

I don't expect this form to continue, as there is too much historical evidence to suggest Mowbray will ultimately screw it up, but it seems silly to fail to give him praise for the way we've started the season. You end up in territory where if we win the manager is 'lucky' and if we lose it's all his fault. Not exactly a balanced opinion to have.

Why? I’m not in favour of him staying but give the guy credit. He may have been forced to blood some youngsters but it’s working. The makeup of the team is different to previous years. So to expect a death spiral is tempting fate. Get behind him.

20 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

Worse still, Spanish clubs see the value of Chilean fans - and we get nowt.

Even a transfer to another country will result in a transfer fee, it will not be as high as if he moved to an English club, but he will not moving for nowt.

7 hours ago, davulsukur said:

He missed loads of last season with a hamstring injury, came back and fracturedhis metatarsal.

He played in an under 23's game last month and then picked up another hamstring injury which has kept him out since and is still a few weeks away from first team training.

I’ve not seen this in any of the press, I watched his half against Leicester, he looked ring rusty but physically looked okay. I’ve again gone back through the last months telegraph and can’t see any references to another hamstring injury. Where did you pick it up?