1 hour ago, phili said:

As far as i know Venky's have never put a penny of their own cash into us. It has been loans and mortgages from the Bank of India using the 1000's of acres of prime land and real estate they own as collateral for these loans.

This is all well and good so long as the land assets continue to increase, to enable them to remortgage every couple of years and they pay the interest payments. 

Issue arise such as 4 years ago and our relegation from premier league when they can't remortgage quickly or land prices have not gone up sufficiently. This is when, such as during the last summer of Gary Bowyer and the Coyle summer, when we had difficulty paying our wage bill on a number of occasions in those 2 seasons.

So long as the loans stay with Venky's everything is ok, if the loans are transferred to the UK holding company then that is when we will be put into administration and quickly.

This summer i expect it to be very tight again, as land prices have fallen and the Bank of India is calling in loans and not lending at present.

That's just the secret to good business, use somebody else's money.  Their core business is underpinned by tens of millions in debt probably secured on similar things.

You can bet though they'll have about 500 million money at hand squirreled away somewhere. People are off their rockers though if they think they've spewed the family fortune on Rovers it'll be set so if it does go tits up they'll be unscathed.

Mowbray took over a West Brom team with quality already in its ranks plus he sold several for good money and was allowed to reinvest.  They also had the luxury of parachute money for wages etc.

Different world altogether than here there's no resemblance so it shouldn't really be held up as anything. He also did it in relatively short time then oversaw relegation again. It was a decade or so ago and time has moved on. It ain't happening here under his watch for a variety of reasons some out of his control obviously. 

Crucially though even given the tools i don't think he's remotely bold enough or savvy enough anymore. I don't even think his remit here is promotion anyway that's why he's so comfortable.  These lot and their advisors are wanting youth blooding, player value increasing and their own investments on players factoring in. First and foremost they want the conveyor belt of sales to recoup costs and transfers it's always only been a matter of time before that begins.

2 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

Venkys have to find the club there is no doubt about their intentions in respect of that. The academy will be funded to the tune of £2m and I suspect the dead wood will bring quite a big savings wage wise. I think we will see the end of Mulgrew, Bennett, Samuel, Hart, Smallwood and possibly Downing. Other movers might include Graham which as I said could give a huge saving wage wise.

This team needs building around Lenihan.

We need to get an experienced goalkeeper or blood one of the youngsters to give him a chance to prove his worth.

We need a plan a,b,c,d and all the way to Z!

I'd settle for mid table again if this was the case as it would genuinely be being rebuilt so maybe a step back to take a few forwards in future seasons.  As long as they combined it with a more energetic positive brand of football and mindset.

He's a throwback Vardy to the 90's / 00's goal poachers, another dying breed. Similar to Kevin Gallagher imo.

If he'd come through the ranks he'd probably be getting lambasted but he's the managers marquee signing so he's getting the player welfare officer slant again.

Thing is with him the problem is 50/50 he should have done a bit better but TM although has him opportunities he's also negated it by having him in an uncomfortable role.  That's it all over with this set up and system though, he ain't the only one.

I still feel with Gallagher though that he' one of those who'll click into gear eventually. There's 10 goals a season in him if someone can get it out of him.

They've put in their token last effort i think they switch off in this one and Mowbray will revert to type, one game of pressing every 5 or 6 remember. Too many is bad for the old nerves and comfort zone so back to trying to contain the opposition.

Danny Graham to get maybe his last ever Rovers goal.

Luton  3    Rovers   1

Arms has a bit of pace about him and a decent shot. Some attributes there that would help in the Prem, something to be worked on

Agree though with those who've said we've several on the books who'd interest ambitious championship clubs.

Of which we are 'supposed' to be one !

1 hour ago, BlackburnEnd75 said:

To be fair he was playing on the right of the 3. 

Great goal but strengthen mowbrays resolve in playing him there

Like we've said before it works now and again. Somewhere in the ratio of 1 in 5-10

Not justified in many ways really just the law of averages.

2 hours ago, Gav said:

The entertainers - free flowing football, lots of goals, 3 points, what more can you ask for?

That kind of bold aggressive effort when there is something to play for.

The seasons 3 biggest under achievers and the forgotten winger all finally turn up when the beach is in sight.

Footballers are a bunch of soft arses they really are.

Travis is a young player this is what happens but thankfully it means nothing. These are the best games to learn in that's why the other youngsters should always be in.

Hopefully he cuts that shit out next season otherwise Bennett will be shoehorned into his slot like a shot.

Just now, Elvis Biro said:

Just heard the bloke on Five Live say something like - "Tony Mowbray has come in at Blackburn and done a fantastic job. They're now 7 points off the play-offs. What a great job."

What effing planet are you on, you juvenile, know-nothing prick!

A quick phone call this morning and the promise of a good drink no doubt.

The mentality Wigan showed is tremendous and similar to what they showed in winning league 1.

It'll never happen here it's just a case of plod on and hope we just get one of those little runs together at the right time. 

For me the whole mentality from the top needs to change and that starts from the ownership and their lacky hiding in his comfort zone in the shadows.

11 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

wonder what our retained list will bring??

Nothing we don't already know.

Come on we all absolutely knew how this would go we are the dead rubber specialists it's what's given us an upper mid finish a few times.

It's the period before they become dead rubbers that these nice guy nice lads aren't very good at.

Maybe one day...

1 hour ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

I've said I don't think we would get anybody better - and there is a significant likelihood of someone much worse. I have also pointed out that there is a cost in removing a management team with 2 years on their contracts - something the mob gloss over.

As for my view of Mowbray I think he's got qualities and weaknesses - I haven't rated any manager at the club since Allardyce "highly".

On paper Mowbray was no better than Coyle or Lambert it just seemed to turn out that his character was a better fit to this club and owners than the other 2.  

Now at first team level it's time for something a bit more fresh and vibrant.

There is potential at Ewood to be a bright vibrant young team now but they need a good keeper and experienced defense as a platform. Give them a set of tactics that makes the most of their youth, press in the oppos faces, defend as a team.  We'd have our ups and downs but it would be a damn sight better to watch than the boring stuff he's coaching into them now that'll get us nowhere in 1 year or 10.

Next season get Johnson in charge of a young first team and TM above him to mentor and be nice to everyone. Get the foundations in place for something fresh.  He might just get a tune out of the expensive flops surely it's worth a go.

And Salgado himself publicly told fans he told them he was prepared to waive that in order to play and help the team.

Somebodies lying i know where i'd lay the odds.

1 hour ago, simongarnerisgod said:

simple solution,stop ****** around with formations no one understands and play 4-4-2 with the second striker dropping back to find some space,it would suit dack or armstrong perfectly,system needs genuine wide players who track back so it`ll crash and burn if you put your centre forwards there?

But he sets out to stop the opposition because he's terrified of them and has such faith in his team that he just wants them to keep the ball as long as possible not lose it actually attacking.

Of course the odd formations also give him license to fit in his multitude of midfielders and forwards.

Apart from tomorrow when they set about Reading in the dead rubber and smash them. Next year is our year proclaim the facebookers !

Which is exactly where we were with Bowyer.

He talks twaddle, it's not Coyles verbal steaming pile of utter nonsense and not the hideous one's outright lies. It is however contradictory twaddle with a hefty dose of speaking to the ownership and arse covering thrown in.

Although he's always overdone playing to the gallery he used to talk quite a bit of sense in between and when he wasn't giving it the old when i was a lad in the backstreets of Boro. Since that bad run the middle of last season though when he began floundering he's disappeared into a world of his own.

We get the odd glimpse of how he really sees it though, he sounds more like a player welfare officer.

19 minutes ago, rigger said:

I remember being one of “The faithful few” in the 70s, but I was never as pissed off with the Rovers as I am now.

Its been a harrowing ten years for genuine fans that's for sure and at times it's the anger, adrenaline at the injustice of it that fires the passion over the rubbish football.  Right now though its just difficult to bother about we are every the bit the water treader that seems just set up like an old boys club.

As long as the manager is a nice guy he's safe all because what went before and in turn as long as he looks after his mates the whole thing will plod on.  Nobody gets held accountable for anything and the fans are the villians every time there's an air of restlessness.

A plonker on twitter this afternoon told me Walton is a good keeper we are lucky Mowbray got him and the manager himself should have the job for life. And to top it all Brereton is a good investment he'll come good.

Unbelievable mentality the slightest bit of ambition is met with derision, oi leave things as they are we are doomed if it changes. I sometimes wonder what some of these lot are like in real life they seem fans of the manager rather than the club.

4 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Scouting players, really ? Johnno's the chief drone pilot so there isn't a vacancy.. What sort of advice have you got in mind ? " Get rid of those ripped jeans son, and you look a right dipstick in that back to front baseball cap " ?

We need fresh ideas and he looks like he needs a break so surely some middle ground can be found. As for scouting, yes scouting who he's been told to scout not going through his little black book of nice lads recommended by nice lads !

He'll not want to step down from his 20 grand per week role though so it's a non starter sadly.

2 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I think fans are just afraid and apprehensive about how wrong things could quickly go if they got the next appointment wrong. I mean it is a genuine fear.  

I'm sure there could be a role found for Mowbray within the club where he can continue to work on the infrastructure whilst leaving a fresh face with fresh ideas to take over first team affairs.

Winner all around he still stays in the background scouting players, setting up his network and learning how to fly drones. He's there for some players to go to still for advice but he stays out of first team affairs.  If the new man doesn't work out he could step back in for a bit if we are desperate.

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

I’m just waiting for FFP to be scrapped, as our billionaire owners are ‘desperate to invest in players’, what a willy it’ll be!

 

It'll shrink to the size of an acorn.

Both them and Mowbray continually have a set of excuses to hide behind when really most clubs are in the same boat in this league. A few of them regularly out perform us and that is down to the coaching, management and recruitment being better.

It really is that simple.