15 minutes ago, SkipDonoghue said:

For what it's worth Mowbray could do himself no harm by trying the younger lads now

It may even buy him a little more time and it could even save him his job,

Louis Vangal (sp) when at united gave many a young player their debuts, he did this not because they were all ready but because he knew it would give him time with the fans, as he knew united were going through a period of transition, Ole is also doing it now as is Lampard at Chelsea (due to transfer ban) 

fans love nothing more than seeing "one of their own" out there, if Mowbray has got any sense left at all he might want to try it

He should look to give extended game time to Buckley, JRC, Butterworth, Rothwell, Travis, Nyambe now, results may or may not improve but I will gaurentee effort and desire to fight for the badge will and it will show there is a plan moving forward

At the minute there looks like no forward thinking it looks like Rovers are stumbling into one game after the other and hoping for the best, that won't win you football matches, if Mowbray has an ounce of being a half decent coach left he will start to disgard the over paid under performing in his squad from now and try the young lads, they may shock a few, or they may come unstuck, but they will give their all for the club and will fight to the end

What about the young keeper we took from Everton? I've only seen him once but he looked assured and dominant.

Just now, AllRoverAsia said:

Maybe I got it wrong, will watch again and cant access BBC today to check stats etc

OK got on BBC, my mistake. Dack got the booking

Dack was angry yesterday, much more than anybody else. In the second half, right in front of the Rovers fans he showed his frustration by gesturing angrily after another attacking move broke down due to a poor decision. He then got himself booked for hacking down a Nobber.

If more players showed that attitude we might have had a chance. Some of them didn't appear to be hurting by what happened.

Just now, AllRoverAsia said:

Bennett should have been booked for the earlier foul just outside our penalty area.

Bennett fouls to give away a penalty. No booking.

Loses his rag late on and is rightly booked.

Captain material? You are taking the piss Tony.

I didn't see Bennett get booked. If he was it's his fifth and he'll miss the next game.

In the first half we pressed quite high all over the pitch and knocked them out of their stride. In the second half we were ten yards deeper which allowed them to go longer and win second balls. We simply invited pressure and allowed them to bully us. What made us change? If might have been Mowbray or the players themselves but Mowbray was so passive in the dugout I'm inclined to think he was happy. At 2-1 Travis was stripped and ready to come on but them scoring the penalty changed that. So at 2-2 Mowbray then appeared content as the change didn't happen but the majority could see we needed fresh legs. It's just another damning condemnation of Mowbrays management style how he dithers and is indecisive.

Just now, Mattyblue said:

I say a few as there were plenty clapping too. 

Wigan (Ince), Barnsley (Coyle) away it weren’t, and I don’t think it ever will be for TM, just like it never really was for Bowyer.

Maybe I misread it Matty but I thought the majority of boos were aimed at the referee who was making his way off.

Just now, Mashed Potatoes said:

Simply no place for describing Rovers supporters who hold different views to yourself in those terms.

And some of the protesting Rovers fans were spat on and threatened by those holding different views.

Just now, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

They are the same gutless b'stards who derided and laughed at the protests during the Kean shambles.No time whatsoever for their ilk.

Pretty much yes. The 'get behind the team' brigade. 

Travis was ready to come on just before the penalty. The substitute card was given to the fourth official and Travis was stripped. The penalty being scored changed their thinking. That was in the 65th minute. He waited until they scored their third before bringing Graham on in the 84th minute. I can't understand why he didn't bring Travis on at the time of the penalty as we were being battered and we needed fresh legs or a change in the system.

I will grudgingly give Neil praise today for his extremely brave move after about twenty minutes by taking off his playmaker and bringing on an extra forward who was instrumental in Nobbers winning the game.

First half it was like we had signed a few new players as we started on the front foot and deservedly took a two goal lead but the talk at half time was how important the next goal would be. Step forward Wally Walton who gifted them a goal. The writing was on the wall from then I'm afraid. Yes we should have had a penalty, yes we were naive but football is about results and they aren't good enough and that is Mowbrays responsibility. 

Mowbray was really subdued today and it was around 43 minutes when he first stood up and then it was to berate the fourth official. Similarly in the second half he was rarely on his feet. There was something really odd about that. With two tough games coming up he was like a man walking the Green Mile.

Just now, dingles staying down 4ever said:

The problem with Dack is that at times he already thinks he has to do everything on his own. When h appears alongside the right back wanting a ball he is not hurting the opposoition. He porbably be alongside Walton wanting the ball if he was captain.

If Lenihan could stay fit then he'd ne the obvious but he can't stay fit.

Bennett is only in the team because he's captain. In cricket it can work, example Miike Brierley, but not in football

Johnson has the experience but there is a mistake or two in him.

Graham is no longer going to play every game.

Travis would be my choice but is a Mowbray scapegoat so that leaves...

 

Stuart Downing

 

II think you are right about Dack dropping deep but for me it's borne out of frustration. He can go for long periods in some games without touching the ball due to the inane possession based football his manager wants to play. The slow and boring passing along the back line and occasional pass into midfield frustrates most of us and Dack doesn't seem to be an exception.

Just now, Mattyblue said:

Anyone tell the difference between our ‘technical’, ‘athletic’ or ‘tactical’ team?

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He should strive to pick a team that encompasses all three but his signings have curtailed that.

Once again he is digging himself a big hole with his 'I know best' interviews.

I believe the truth is that Mowbray will be the master of his own destiny primarily down to the lack of structure and weakness above him. And the real worry is that he knows that and is working under no pressure. I still think he is a decent person and that might be the one thing that convinces him that he has taken us as far as he can and and he walks. 

I don't think that is likely to happen for some time get though.

He has given the players the perfect excuse to lose the game with total impunity with a caveat of as long as they try.

He should be kept away from microphones.

The vast majority of Rovers fans expect a defeat whilst the Nobbers I know are predicting a comfortable win. I'm with the majority and expect a dithering Mowbray to make changes to personnel and tactics for the starting eleven and with every substitution.

If what I believe will happen does then it needs every Rovers fan to let Mowbray, his staff, Waggott and the players to know in no uncertain terms that what they are giving us is completely unacceptable.

The time has come for the aforementioned to accept their responsibilities and earn their huge wages.

https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/football/wigan-athletic-boss-paul-cook-on-the-future-of-happy-loan-star-charlie-mulgrew-1-10066457

An interesting article on Mulgrew. Cook mentions there are 'options' open for him in January.

27 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Wasn't it Paul Senior who promote and Mowbray worked with them until he got Venus in that summer

I wasn't sure hence the question mark. I don't remember Lowe doing any coaching under Coyle. I have a recollection of him coaching  was Mowbrays first game.

24 minutes ago, Stuart said:

The intensity levels are too much for the ex Premier League player!

How on earth can a player be ruled out 48 hours before a match with a slight hamstring twinge. Two days is a long time for the healing process of professional athletes. 

More nonsense from Mowbray. 

1 hour ago, JHRover said:

He didn't survive. Wasnt he axed during the Bowyer era and then mysteriously reappeared soon after Bowyer had gone? 

Wasn't it Mowbray who promoted Lowe and Dunn when he arrived?

Lowe is an ex teammate of Mowbray and Venus from Ipswich you'll be surprised to hear.

I'm not sure where to put this but it was a potential transfer. Sorry if this offends some as it could be a stark reminder of where we were versus the current malaise.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11843087/how-blackburn-rovers-almost-bought-robert-lewandowski

23 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

I understand some of your points but it’s very much written in the moment. I’ll bet you didn’t harbour half of those opinions just before kick off against Luton as we set out to achieve a third straight Clean sheet and victory with a host of seemingly winnable fixtures in front of us.

At that point, many were lauding the keeper and defence whilst eulogising over the signing of Holtby. Confident in the knowledge that we were making fine progress. 
 

The key here is not to knee jerk imo. I feared for the manager as soon as he said that we were hoping for a top 6 finish. I don’t know how many managers come up from league 1, finish mid table and then go up the season after. He needed a big injection of cash in the summer rather than a couple of million net spend. Now he’ll end up throwing himself on his sword. I would give Johnson a chance.

We have been a ticking time bomb since the summer with Mowbrays reluctance to bring in the type of defenders that we have lacked in his tenure. We were always going to be an injury or two away from becoming a poor team. 

Also I think a lot of the players are simply not able to deliver the quick passing game that Mowbray craves. His excuse this week of having a few different styles of play was frankly nonsense or even if we do we are inept at most of them. It's completely different doing drills on the training pitch to carrying it out in an intense Championship match.

My personal feeling is that Mowbray has over complicated things and expects players to do something that is quite alien to most of them. I sincerely hope I'm wrong but the writing is on the wall and if the warning signs are ignored we could well be relegated.

Just now, Sparks Rover said:

Sorry mate , it’s all about opinions. He’s a class act and is surrounded by fuckwits who can’t trap a bag of cement. I bet he can’t wait to feck off playing understudy to the talentless lenihan 

It is about opinions. The ineptitude of his teammates didn't cause him to give the ball away cheaply on several occasions, be regularly beaten in the air and out muscled far too often.

In my book he was up there with the worst last night and has done nothing of note so far to give me any indication he will be a big player.

In respect of the signing of Aradabioyo I thought he would be able to play a quick passing game given his background but he was one of the worst last night. So many times his (and many others) not being able to play a simple the yard pass put us under more pressure. He is physically weak and in all honesty no better than Wharton or Magliore. He reminds me of a new born horse whose legs look wobbly when it takes its first few steps.

I was angry at many aspects of the game last night but what pissed me off more than anything was the number of people who clapped the players at the end of the game. I looked around and it wasn't the odd one, there were lots.

Mowbray scuttled off down the tunnel.

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/17983914.mowbray-feels-rovers-making-progress-season/

I find this another irritating and patronising Mowbray interview. We are generally boring to watch and the possession based football he talks about is in areas where the opposition are happy for us to have the ball. Laughably he credits Holtby for his part in our new way of playing. He has started one game and even then he got the hook.

I have seen every game this season and have usually seen mundane, tedious play where possession is usually along the back line, into midfield and back again.