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Gudjohnsen has also had big chances. He had 1 in each home game and not only did he mess them up, he didnt even get a shot away. Yesterday, his own poor movement meant that a potential chance in the first half became a half chance.

His hold up play has been dreadful too. Regularly, not only does his poor control and awareness not keep the ball for us, it gives it to our opposition for a counter attack. It cost us a goal v Stoke.

We also dont have time to "wait and judge" Baradji. We are in the bottom 3. We signed a player knowingly with a long term injury. We can judge that decision as a bloody stupid one.

22 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Look at all comments out there. Ismael wanted Baradji and Morishita all summer. Both here. 

Well what else would you judge a head coach on other than Results RF99? 

I wouldn't change at the minute. Probably given him until the International break then review then for me. I will post my opinion then RF99 for the board to see. Last season results dont matter now. My opinion will be based on this season 

He is always going to say that he wanted every signing made. It doesnt make them all sensible or good signings. And again because youll bring it up, the manager should be having final say, I dont know if Ismael does, but even if he does, it doesnt mean I have to automatically agree with those signings. Would you agree that overall recruitment this season seems very worrying?

Would you say that you are concerned about how bad results are this season? A record of played 10 won 2 and lost 7 just this season is terrible even if you are trying to reduce the sample size by removing last season. Im sensing a shift as before the international break you said you was confident that Ismael could turn it around. Im guessing this confidence has waned? Where do you think we will likely finish this season?

27 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Selling Hyam without a replacement coming in is affecting us. We need another centre back signing in the summer. Wharton is very good but im not certain 2 left footed at centre back will work. 

Ismael wanted Baradji deal done. 

On the striker front, how many proven championship goalscorer is there out there and how much do they cost? 

 

Whether Ismael wanted the Baradji deal done or not, which is pure guesswork, it doesnt mean it was the right deal to do.

Youve always said that youll judge Ismael on results. His results have been shocking, his record appalling. So based on that, I presume you want a change?

4 minutes ago, AAK said:

Thought as much, guaranteed job even with relegation.

Who said it to you?

"Just been told" by who?

As whoever it was will be having you on. Wont be going anywhere.

9 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Don't disagree with anything you say but at least Gueye has had some good games under a different Head Coach.

Based on what I've seen so far I doubt Merlin the Magician could get a tune out of Gudjohnssen.

Had one good game.

6 wins, 3 losses, 12 defeats.

Shit manager and absolutely no chance of him going anywhere.

1 minute ago, M_B said:

Some good signs today, bossed the form team on their own pitch, but it must be difficult when you've put so much effort in, then your keeper who's had virtually nowt to do lets one in like that.

 

 

Good signs. "Good signs" against Birmingham too, when we "deserved more."

Games tend to be decided on fine margins. With what we have, I suspect there will be lots more bemoaning of hard luck, claiming to have played well and constantly awaiting that "our luck turns."

Dont want to hear about parts of the game where we played well. Thatll be the story of this season, we deserved more, we played well, woe is me. We quite simply do not have the quality, any goal threat, we have lost/let go our defensive solidity, and we lack the experience and guidance to manage games properly. We are in deep trouble.

The manager with the record he has should be out the door, even with a poor squad albeit one he apparently endorsed the building of. His subs today were really strange and he seemed to give up and aim to limit the damage. But his job is safe as houses and will be in League 1.

There is a real issue up front, the recruitment in general has been poor and built purely around cutting the wage bill. But Gestede really has pulled 2 rabbits out of the bag in Gudjohnsen and Gueye. And not in a good way.

Good away performance so far, it does feel a little disjointed and I think Coventry's momentum has been checked by the international break but weve still done well to limit them and have the odd chance on the counter.

Alebiosu again is really important to us. Gudjohnsen has been awful again, poor movement around the box and constantly losing the ball when it comes in to him. Hopefully jinxed for a winner.

Ange is a poor manager. 

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Fancy Rovers to win today RF99? 

Id love to be wrong. But no I do not.

Top of the league at home against a side with a poor manager, poor 11, missing its best players and sat in the bottom 3 with less points than games played. Logically, a home win and a comfortable one at that.

Football doesnt always follow logic but I have no confidence and expect yet another loss.

If he leaves, we will have him back please.

More chance of Venkys turning up to a game, but still.

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Care to explain? 

Pretty simple. I consider the low possibility of that combination to be a much lower probability than what 35/1 suggests.

11 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Id have said Wharton to score should be around 25/1 on its own and Rovers 2/1 to win so should be about 75/1.

 

No way should Rovers be 2/1 to win.

8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Scott Wharton scoring and Rovers to win. 35/1

Terrible odds.

Hopefully today is a rare exception of a crap manager picking a poor team and against all odds they somehow sneak a result.

People making these stupid rumours up just cause people to suggest that the issue is our "negative" fans rather than the club as in this instance they havent done anything wrong.

Looks good? That he wont be fit until at best late November, but more likely well beyond that? Joke of a signing.

Ismael has sold Carter down the river in the press today too. Yes his injuries do make him a waste of time but to be questioning him in that manner, the "open and honest" gang will love him but its really poor man management to say that in public.

How about looking back at ourselves who have left us with only him as a right footed centre back.

He named inferior players, one who isnt playing that much.

Unless the reason was injury, he should be in the squad.

Managers can make incorrect decisions. Obviously it didnt matter in this instance, we had 2 easy games.

Whatever his reason, it was wrong.

5 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

The problem is, England are overloaded with midfield players with the latest Anderson (an excellent player) breaking through and another who is ahead of Wharton 

You get the feeling Adam is going to need a move to a "big" club for England to pick him

 

Guehi is a regular playing for the same team and Anderson isnt at a bigger club so im not sure it is that.

29 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Does it matter about his role at Forest given that he is playing with a different set of players but he was key player in their success last season which you can't deny RF99!

The under 21's tournament was live on channel 4. So I watched every England game thanks Rf99

He has more than shown he is good enough for that role in those games but as ever you are over critical and doubting his undoubtedly quality and talent. Howe was huge fan and didnt want to sell him when they did.

The Gerrard and Lampard situation is more than relevant to this point or last tournament when we played Foden on the left in the last tournament.  We didnt look balance. Also the team looks more balanced cos you have runners around Kane with 4 players looking to get forward and in behind. Its suits us. Rogers poor form shouldn't matters cos he isn't in poor form for England. 

I will repeat if Bellingham or Palmer have to left to get the team working together and Kane then so be it

You are not actually reading what people are saying as is often the case.

My point about Anderson is that we cant be sure that he is perfectly suited to a role he hasnt really played in senior football, and isnt playing for his club. A few games against poor to awful international sides isnt enough evidence to suggest that against better sides he would be able to be as effective in that particular role.

The Gerrard and Lampard example is not a relevant counter argument to my point. I acknowledged that it feels like the team is more balanced with for example an inferior player in Gordon wide left who may not be as good as Foden or Palmer but is an actual left winger rather than a number 10 being squeezed in.

My point was that I dont believe that playing most likely a Bellingham OR Palmer OR Foden in any way does imbalance us as opposed to Rogers. Any of the 4 are natural number 10s, the first 3 are just better than Rogers.

I also think that Rogers will be dropped before the tournament. Bellingham missed out because he hadnt really been playing, although I am unsure if there is also a personal issue between the 2. Palmer was injured. I think either starts as soon as they are available and ready.

The fact that I believe you put Bellingham in your 11 in that position, but I may be wrong, says that you are either not reading what Ive put considering that I am suggesting the exact same thing, or are just trying to create arguments for the sake of it.

22 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

I agree that Bellingham, Foden and Palmer are all better players. But we need someone who works with Kane and all those three have really struggled. Rodgers might not be as good, but jf hes making the right off the ball runs, pressing etc and therefore getting the best out of Kane then then he has to keep the shirt. 

Foden is a lost cause imo as he is just so indirect - I just cant see how he fits in at all. Palmer and Bellingham do have more to offer if they commit to giving up the number 10 space and possession of the ball to Kane and focus on running through, but they are naturally very similar to Kane wanting others to make the runs while they take a lot of touches and try to be the offensive pivot.

Anyway Tuchel has played it well, putting the onus on them to show they can adapt. Not got many England games to do that though.

I dont even think Rogers was very effective yesterday, and hes been poor for Villa. I dont think he can do anything that at least some of those better players cant do. And his only good games in general this season have been for England against really poor opposition, and he hasnt been stand out. 

Of those other players, the issue has been trying to shoehorn too many similar players in at once. In the past, although hes an inferior player, we didnt have the balance of a pacy Gordon running beyond on the left or someone sat beside Rice letting him run on. Bellingham in terms of style of player I dont think is chalk and cheese with Rogers for example, just much better. With balance around him, there is no reason that he cant play in this team. At the last Euros, he ended up often playing from the left.

22 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Well so far so good for him. He played a similar role for England during the under 21's tournament this season. 

Limited experience? 

You mean recent opponents? You can only play who we played but for me, its how he plays the 6 role and the partnership with Rice which both seem to suit each other games.

But does it suit the team better tho? That's what matters surely? Team first? 

We tried to fit Gerrard and Lampard into the same system and it never worked out

My point is that he doesnt really play that same role for Forest so there are question marks about his suitability in playing that holding role and how he would fare against proper opposition.

A few games against crap teams in which England werent tested doesnt answer those question marks. Neither does anything he did in under age groups, although I have probably as little idea as you as to whether he even played there.

Hes a good player, I am merely questioning how good he actually is, we have a habit of overhyping players based on a couple of games against crap teams. And also more importantly, how suited he is to that particular role.

That Gerrard and Lampard line is just a recycled one used out of context here. I am noy saying that we should stick all of Bellingham, Palmer and Foden all in and try to squeeze them in as we have in the past, I did say that we are correct to try and be more balanced.

But there has to be room for one of them in what is their natural position. Any of the 3 are a couple of levels above the likes of Rogers and if we cant get any of these in the team then something is wrong. I refuse to accept that say Bellingham playing as a number 10 ie his natural position is not good for the team.

Our fans in general seem to grow unhealthy dislikes of departed managers here despite them all doing good jobs here before being undermined by Venkys.

There seems to be a lot taking great happiness in Tomasson's struggles. There was the embarassing snake stuff at Derby away which I suspect will be repeated next month. And even Mowbray, the level of over the top hatred rather than focusing on the real problem.