Paul Mellelieu

1 hour ago, wilsdenrover said:

In the financial period 2019/20 (just before those redundancies were announced) they had (on average) 221 employees

In the 2022/23 financial period Wigan employed (on average) 286

It would appear the short term (and clearly painful to those affected) hit has led to more opportunities of employment now. 

By way of comparison our employment figures for the same period are fairly stagnant…

19/20 225 (average)

22/23   221 (average)

 

 

 

 

We don't know if these are like-for-like roles, so a head count if only one measure.  It also ignores the human cost of administration to many families in the area.  It's important that this issues are discussed in good faith and honestly and in the right spirit.   A sale to another owner (which may also include job loses of course) is all our preferences.  Administration is in no-ones interest.

7 hours ago, Crimpshrine said:

Isn't the whole point of administration to save jobs and find potential buyers to allow a company/football club to recover from a difficult situation ? Not sure what your argument is.

75 staff were made redundant at Wigan, 25 (at least) at Derby, similar at Huddersfield.  

8 hours ago, wilsdenrover said:

Administrators don’t sack people they make them redundant.

An important distinction as it changes what payments they’re entitled to.

You are indeed correct, although redundancy payments in these situations are less than generous.

Regarding administration, a cursory glance around the 'net gives examples were numerous employees have been sacked, bills never settled and youth systems undermined.  Why we would be any different, I'm yet to hear.

3 hours ago, tomphil said:

Derby, Coventry, Pompey, Wigan just a few of the clubs who have survived admin, are still going strong and are still employing lots of people.

You've answered a rather different question, which I didn't ask, which was how people are you happy to see lose their jobs or businesses if we enter administration?

3 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Jackson in LT repeating his belief that Venkys can fund but won’t fund.

Is that up for debate?

1 hour ago, tomphil said:

Admin wouldn't do that or at least not to the depths doom mongers like to believe.

Going bust or liquidated would, continued managed decline and ending up in the lower reaches of league one will also do that.

By the way invoices are allegedly already going unpaid for 90 days.

Evidence from other clubs is that is exactly what happens.  Happy to be persuaded otherwise.

42 minutes ago, ABBEY said:

moist

A terrible view to take.  Many people would lose their jobs and some local suppliers would go unpaid.  I assume you're not one of them.

We've signed the lad from Linfield.

The LET piece begs the question, and if we hadn't got the Wharton money, where would the club be now?

I know thuis should go elsewhere, but.........I see Dakota Biotech is sponsoring Rovers' women, and I spotted a line on FB saying the CEO, a Rovers' fan is interested in buying the club.

13 minutes ago, miqaayil said:

Sorry bro , on this i disagree .... The club is extremely saleable. State and sovereign funds are in market for clubs not for profit but branding and  PR image enhancements. We fit the bill with our history and good fanbase. In my opinion the Vs are stuck as if and when a potential buyer come , opening of books become mandatory and this is where , i believe there's skeletons in our closet. So i believe the layers between Vs and the club are shielding the Vs from any offer(for own gains )  and Vs are kicking the can down the road systematically stripping us waiting on administration or dissolution. 

 

this is completely my opinion based on my view ..

No thanks.

6 hours ago, Upside Down said:

I think that's the overriding point here. People are reaching the point where they have said enough is enough and are not going to let the club take the piss out of them anymore.

It's not the first time I've seen it posted on this forum, long time loyal fans getting pushed to this point. Absolutely the most damning indictment of the venky ownership you can get.

I might crack as the season gets closer, but the culmination of Kean/Coyle/countless awful senior executives and the lack of explaining by the club of mayor events over the last 12 months has left me heartbroken.  The new DoF with no experience, the sale of Wharton without a replacement, the idiotic signing of Fleck, having a vaping company on our shirts, being told that our ambition last season was not to get relegated.  The inability to sign players of any quality, two crap goalies, our captain playing for Ipswich and not replaced, Bristol way, fans invited in to talk to the players and then video leaked.  

There's far more of course and I've defended to club at points in the last two years, but it's quite a charge sheet.

Not sure where to put this, but linked to our dear Gregory.

https://offthepitch.com/a/pitch-ranks-norwegian-sensation-european-leader-financial-sustainability

For the first season for some time I haven't renewed.

I have no confidence in the owners and senior management.  The awful experience of playing at home last season was the final straw.  

I hope I'm proved wrong, but we are being taken for a ride and I have fallen out of love with the club (again).

It's like having Sunak running the club

1 hour ago, Forever Blue said:

Why on earth would they do that?!

Indeed.  

6 hours ago, Tugayisgod said:

Makes you wonder what the point of the academy is if this true.

Nothing we can do to stop him moving on and we'll get nothing for him hardly 

 

Adam Wharton is one of the reasons for the academy.

I like a good boo.  

I'm back and on form.

https://www.itfc.co.uk/club/whos-who/

3 minutes ago, Paul Mellelieu said:

This is silly Mercer.  I'm sure other clubs are better staffed in these roles.

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/teams/men/squad-list

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

Think this is now all getting rather silly.

Currently we have:

Head Coach: John Eustace
Assistant Head Coaches: Matt Gardiner and Keith Downing
First Team Coach: David Lowe
Goalkeeping Coach: Ben Benson
First Team Technical Coach & Head of Player Development: Damien Johnson
Head of Player Recruitment: Sean Kimberley

So that is 6 coaches for the first team!

Supposedly, we are now looking at:

A Head of Recruitment/Transfers (wtf does Kimberley do?)

A 'Technical Director' (doesn't Damien Johnson do this?)

Is this not simply replacing Broughton with two others?

All this flies in the face of muted draconian cost cutting.

For a club of our size and ambition and losing some £20million per season, I think we are grossly overstaffed.

A lean machine?  You are having a larf.  IMO, far too many on the gravy train which seems to be heading for derailment should all this nonsense continue. 

This is silly Mercer.  I'm sure other clubs are better staffed in these roles.