Emerton did 9 didn't he? Legend?

I don't agree that he was a key player under any other manager apart from initially under Souness. Even the season when Sam found a role for him where he could contribute a few more goals he barely managed 20 games. If he were from anywhere other than Blackburn, people wouldn't give him a second thought.

A couple of posts later I did say that this was tongue in cheek, however, during the seasons they were at the club together, I can guarantee that you'd have had Emerton in the team over Dunn most of the time. However, what Dunn gave prior to being sold outweighs anything Emerton did in Blue and White. But Dunn mk2 really was shite.

If you offered Dunn the career he had at the age of 23, would he have taken it? I suspect he'd have been horrified by it. Relegated with Birmingham and turning into nothing more than an inconsistent squad player at Rovers before suffering a second relegation. Again, I'm not sure where the term "legendary" is coming from. I'm not trying to be difficult or obtuse, I just don't see it.

Everything he achieved for Rovers was in the two and a half period under Souness. As a team and as a club we achieved nothing upon his return that we wouldn't have achieved without him. Apart from that incredibly brief spell under Big Sam he literally did nothing. Maybe the debate would be better being taken away from Dunn himself, to exactly what people consider constitutes a "legend."

I agreed to disagree x amount of posts ago but people kept on telling me I was wrong. These discussions are always essentially a waste of time as nobody is ever going to change their mind. I haven't got petty... you just keep saying things that aren't true. He didn't have a "career threatening injury that would have ended the career of many (paraphrased but more or less what you said)." Also, the persistence of his hamstring injuries were largely down to him not looking after himself. Giggs, Duff and Bellamy (along with many others) all overcame persistent hamstring injuries in their careers as they were dedicated pros, and they all fulfilled the promise that they had. Dunn didn't. This isn't a question of bad luck either. He always thought he was better than he was, he thought he could do whatever he wanted (when he was a certain age), and in the end his attitude and lack of top level dedication cost him reaching the levels his ability deserved. It's a common story in football. His career certainly didn't descend into a car crash, but it was hardly the stuff of legends. It's a great shame, I have some fantastic memories of him, but in my opinion having 2 and a bit great seasons for us doesn't make you a legend. Some people will have different criteria. I respect all of that, but "massaging" the past in order to support an argument is frustrating to debate against, as the reality soon gets buried.

You keep adding adjectives that nobody else it using in order to suit your agenda.

Hamstring injuries ruined his career because he saw each was as an opportunity to get on the Shandy. He suffered no "career threatening injury;" that is rewriting of history at its very best. I've already explained a million times why he's a waster. He had the ability to be one of the very best, but he pissed it all away. That's the dictionary definition of "waster" mate. Not sure how much more I can dumb it down for you? Duff and Dunn left at the same time. One went on to win two titles and various cups, the other went on to be relegated with Birmingham City and achieved sod all else in his career. Which one do you think we missed? It's so obvious it's painful.

No he didn't.

Are you serious? "I've provided the stats..." You've provided stats to demonstrate he was good for 2-3 years out of 14. The exact same stats I've provided. His career stats after Souness sold him are absolutely horrific, and to be honest, so were most of his performances. If 11 mediocre seasons (this could be downgraded to "awful" in some cases) and a ratio of a goal every 8 games from attacking midfield qualifies you as a legend in your book, then fair enough. The reality was he didn't become the player that we expected, nor the player he should have become. Not really sure what you're struggling to grasp in this respect. You're just blindly defending him on the basis he was here a for a long time. The fact he didn't really fulfil his potential and the fact he was shite from the age of 24 onwards is why I'm labelling him a "waster." He wasted his talent. Not that difficult to understand is it? (Cue the "Yeah but if playing 10 years in the Premier League is a waste bla bla bla..." Yes, it is a waste, because he should have spent his career being the star player for either us, or playing for a top team, winning trophies. The reality is retirement has been very kind to him, as most fans lamented his presence during his second spell here, and with food reason). He was crap for 75 percent of that time. He flopped at Birmingham, and was somewhere from "bang average" to "absolute shite" during the vast majority of his second spell here. Is Jordan Rhodes a Rovers legend? Based on your argument, he should be due a statue any time now..

Of course it's not ludicrous. He spent a maximum of three years with Rovers as a key player, and it could be argued even less. He was with us a total of 14 seasons. To argue he is a legend in my opinion in ludicrous. If some people can suggest that even Rooney didn't make the most of his potential, I'm quite comfortable in saying that Dunn was verging on being a complete waster. I think I've demonstrated enough evidence to back up my point, so I think agreeing to disagree would be the best strategy at this point. One thing I would say with zero doubt is that Greame Souness is a far more important part of our history than David Dunn is. And don't forget that the very little Dunn achieved in his career was under Souness...

After Souness sold him he went on to make 246 league appearances (Premier League and Championship) with a total of 27 goals. Hardly proved Souness wrong did he? I repeat; a waste of talent, and a real shame (I don't want people to think I take pleasure in saying it).

As a mediocre squad player. Feel free to post the stats. He should have had a career to rival Duff's. Waste of a career.

No more ludicrous than suggesting a bloke who had 2 and a half good seasons for us out of about 10 is a "Rovers Legend" just because he was born down the road. It was a bit tongue in cheek, but the reality is he was a far better servant to the club and a far more consistent performer. I guarantee of all the seasons they were in the squad together, Emerson for 90% of the time would have been considered to be more important than Dunn.

And what happened after that? He was 24 when we sold him. He did naff all under god knows how many managers. 2-3 good seasons out of 15 odd in his entire career. Any better definition for "waste of a career?"

He performed well for a total of two and a half years during his god knows how long career. Great memories, and a top player when bang at it, but I won't let the Blue and White tinted glasses ever let the word "legend" cross my mind. Some great memories though! Don't forget, for all his front, he was a Liverpool fan growing up... Depressing isn't it? That debut though...

Apologies for my reaction, the language of emoji has once again been my downfall. Perhaps I have become too accustomed to defending myself on here, and therefore wrongly took it the wrong way. My bad, apologies again!

Neither Bruce, Hughes nor Allardyce got a great deal out of him. He was fantastic during our promotion season, but his career was a complete waste of talent. He ranged from mediocre to awful from the age of 24 onwards (more or less), so I wouldn't be celebrating him too much. I take far more pride in a player like Duff, who was phenomenal for us and went on to be a key player for the best team in the country, winning the top prizes along the way. That's what Dunn would have done had he had more respect for his own career and the clubs employing him. My frustration with Dunn is born out of wanting him to have achieved what he should have, and for him to be a legend of the club. However, were he from a different part of the country, nobody would talk about him. Brett Emerton had a better Rovers career than Dunn.

I completely side with Souness over the Dunn issue. I cannot believe Dunn is considered a "Rovers Legend" by some. Goes to show that the fans are incredibly swayed by perceived loyalty (and locality) rather than actual contribution. Dunn was a waster, and never loved the club enough to ensure he was in prime physical condition to represent it to the best of his ability. If I was compiling a list of best players I've seen playing for Rovers, he wouldn't even make the top 30 odd. Also, Rovers fans booed him when he first came back with Birmingham, so it was clear who they sided initially with (although to be fair they generally mindlessly boo any player who left us, no matter what the circumstances were nor their previous contribution to the club, with the exception of Matt Jansen). Souness was a loose cannon, and some of his actions in his last season were nothing short of ridiculous, not least the infamous tackle on Yorke. I also agree that his attitude towards the UEFA Cup was frustrating and borderline condescending, as realistically it was the pinnacle for us at that moment in time. However, none of this this would ever overshadow moments like those we experienced in the other three seasons (both Burnley victories, Bolton thrashing at their place, Deepdale, League Cup, and pretty much the entire season afterwards finishing with the mauling of Spurs on their own patch). Shame we can't welcome people like Souness back to the club just to give us a lift and a well deserved round of applause for all of the great memories. It'd be great if we could still sing his name along with those of many others that have given us great times in the past.

Without a doubt. I would even say that the football under Souness was far better, without being critical of Hughes' style. Duff, Dunn, Jansen, Cole and Tugay were a dream to watch together, and even people like Gillespie were chipping in with some really positive football. The defence was stroke inducing at times, but Short and Berg were great performers for us (Taylor and Nils-Eric not so much), and it was Souness who brought it Neill, who was a fantastic player for us. Thompson was a superb signing until his injury (he was phenomenal in fact, and I think he even got an England call up?). I even remember Alan Mahon being a great signing for a couple of years. Souness also deserves all the credit for Friedel. I thought he had cost us promotion bringing in Friedel for Kelly/ Filan, but we all know how that ended. It may well have been a "perfect storm," as stated in the original podcast (the rest of his managerial career suggests as much), but it was the most enjoyable time for me post title winning era. He should go down as a hero really, but unfortunately he doesn't seem to have done. Quite why, I'm not so sure...

If so, I apologise. I read it as "you have a go then, knobhead" mainly due to the emoticon.

So we can only comment if we agree, otherwise we'll be greeted with the kind of over-sensitivity I'd expect to find in a school playground? Fair play to the guy for doing it, I just think he's focused mainly on the negative aspects of Souness' reign, which comparatively speaking were few and far between. I would go as far as saying if you weren't around during the Souness years, upon listening to the podcast you wouldn't realise what an absolute saviour he was for this club, nor the real magnitude of his achievements here. If you disagree, participate in a discussion. Otherwise, spare me the "well you have a go then if you don't like it" esque nonsense.

What happened again? We imploded? We disappeared off the face of the earth? If I remember correctly, within a couple of years we were finishing above his Newcastle in the league, with centre forwards (Sutton, who won the Golden Boot in 1997/98, and Gallagher) scoring more goals than him.

I understand the concept and have shared my nutshell analysis. I think you've undercooked the 75 percent positive part of his reign (we were falling like a stone when he took over and would possibly have ended in the old second division... Tony Parkes had already agreed to sell Jansen to Rangers and the place was rotten to the core with egos). He saved us from potential oblivion and without Jack's money where we would have ended is anyone's guess. He got us promoted, playing some of the best football I've seen at Ewood, got us a major trophy and got us in the top 6. He should be a Rovers legend by all accounts. The fans have always been bitter towards players and managers who left us for so-called "bigger things," which is a shame, as it's led to most of our recent legends having no lasting ties with the club.

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