13 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

It is now, the chart was provided to you for last season a few weeks ago when we had the original discussion. I can't be arsed going back to look for it.

I'm not defending Venkys or Waggott BTW. I'm sure an accountant on here can explain the losses of £20m. But as previously discussed, Mowbray has spent a lot of money relative to the clubs you mention and recouped very little. Hence some of the losses. 

Not all about playing wages though. I thought that was around £18 million and of offset by tv and gate income probably takes us down to a £10 million deficit . Then you have an army of employees - think there were about 240 of them all told In the accounts .( including £350k for Waggott alone). Then you have academy / junior teams, ladies teams travelling midweek to places like Southampton / charlton / Brighton, first team travel and hotels and a stadium to run . There will be frightening costs and wastage in areas we barely even consider .How many staff cars do we run?? I bet travel and hotels alone across the club as a whole will be eye watering . I bet taking nearly 30 staff and players to an away game will be plenty and that’s just 23 league games for one team .What would the Pre season In Portugal cost for a week for 40 or so players and staff? It’s mental .
All adds up  But whatever it’s an awful lot more than simply squad wages and agents fees.

1 hour ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to get some money for Williams, but right now he's our #2 / #3 CB and the season is less than a fortnight away.

I've no confidence that Mowbray is going to get someone in at CB. You can let Williams do all of the due diligence with this MLS club, but you can't cross the t's and dot the i's on the transfer until you bring someone else in. 

Agree but Venkys have got form - hanley and Duffy were sold on the eve of the season and never replaced . A major reason we went down 8 months later .

8 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

I don’t know mate. I thought we signed two didn’t we?
 

But either way, that line is as boring tonight as it was last night and the night before that etc ??

And so is Mowbrays  disregard for permanent signings in key positions which have bitten us in the ass time and again . 
Boring it might be but they were his words not ours .

2 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

There’s people on here who have provided first hand info that we do have a budget and are making moves.

So either you’re saying those people are lying, you’ve been lay under a rock for the last week or you’re on the wind up? Which is it? 

Are defenders still coming?

On 26/07/2020 at 18:21, Gav said:

I bet Mercer had a fiver on it 

Did it compete on the grass with the bigger stables with much bigger budgets? Who was the jockey , Elliot Bennett ??

45 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

But the football was equally mind numbing for large parts of the season. Especially against the teams at the bottom of the league.

But Tyrone we have a new style, better with the ball,  a possession based team . 
We just didn’t have it often enough and there’s some good teams in this league with very good players who can hurt you .

Amazing the noise from the Club is that really we are top 6 contenders ..... we just never got in the top 6 at any point over 46 games . 
its bullsh1t on an epic scale and our ominously very quiet CEO will be writing his ST stretch target as we speak . 
Delusional doesn’t even begin to describe this Club . We’ve got 35 minutes before a load of our players are officially out of contract and nobody at Ewood yet has the faintest clue what our budget is going to be . 
Is this the bit that causes all this excitement for next season ?????

Just now, Traviscon said:

Use Suhail's phone. ?

You got there a minute before me mate / I must type quicker!!! 
I think we are on the same lines .

Just now, Mashed Potatoes said:

But if they don't pick up the phone................. ?

So what is Suhail doing in the middle of all this as the club/ Venkys go between??? 
has he lost the ability to pick up the phone bearing in mind he supposedly ran the gig here on Venkys behalf ?? 
we all know the answers to the questions we are raising tbh - complete indifference towards the minor irritant that is BRFC in Venkys world. 

4 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Bloody hell chaddy if tickets went on sale tomorrow I'd buy one to help the Club out.As roversfan99 says It doesn't matter if most wouldn't, if we only managed to sell 1k now it's 350k we wouldn't otherwise have had at a time when our income is zero.

And........if sales plummet it's going to be primarily down to Mowbray and the rubbish we're watching on the pitch as opposed to people's personal circumstances as you suddenly seem to be pretending.

The sobering thing is 1000 STs at £350 would give us £350k which is about enough to cover this weeks wage bill . 
Even this years 8000 sales is about 2 months of our wage bill....... fooked and then fooked again . 

3 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Agreed but setting a target of 70 points is completely pointless anyway as I can't remember the last time that figure got anyone into the play offs, the figure is usually at least 74 or 75.

Who on earth sets a target of finishing just outside the play offs? I'm sure Mowbray was aware of what he was saying and it just goes to emphasise how he is taking everyone and the owners for fools by doing the bare minimum, muddling along and keeping himself and his coaching staff and the majority of his squad in a long term job.

If he wasn't aware that 70 points doesn't secure a play off place then that merely serves to underline his incompetence and the fact that he was never really serious about aiming for promotion in the first place.

That and claiming not to know who McLaughlin was! Sunderland’s keeper 5 miles down the road from where he lives. It’s like any of us not knowing who plays for Burnley .

so it’s either Bare faced lies or complete Incompetence . Take your pick . 
The mowbray conversation is exactly the same stuff as everyone expressed last August . A last minute mess of a window by a dinosaur who doesn’t know what he’s building  Or the new style of football we are still all waiting for a year on .

Nice man probably, total clown of a manager . Having no personality , which he hasn’t, doesn’t make him any better than Many of his predecessors.

if our budget was based on  the bullshit that comes out of that club we’d be loaded .

12 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

We have no idea on budgets at our club for next season. 

I would take him. it appears that he has a move line up. Don't know where

Given we are told to save the club and our owners by buying cardboard cut outs have a guess what our budget might look like with FFP and possible salary cap based on our income ???

7 hours ago, Athlete said:

The best post I have read on this forum for a long while.. 

Most clubs are now offering refunds and those that aren't are doing some incentive for season ticket holders yet the silence from Ewood is deafening 

Let's not forget BWD is one of the most deprived areas of the country and a lot of fans will be struggling at the moment 

Holiday firms and airlines have to offer refunds football should be no different 

A burning question for me was would it be right to accept a refund ??  Well with the salary Waggot gets.. The Answer is Yes 

 

 

Yes it was a great post by JHR .

The absurdity that football is has been spotlighted through this pandemic and a good many will have come to despise it with what they have been force fed Via the media. Pure and simple it’s about money . But that doesn’t set them apart from the rest of the economy - problem is they think they are a special case all the time. I’m sick of reading and hearing that we NEED football back . Personally I couldn’t give a rats arse anymore - perspectives have changed massively for many people . And if behind closed doors is the answer then I reckon football is going to be in for a massive shock . Without a shadow of doubt ST sales will be decimated - certainly in impoverished areas like ours. 
The bubble is about to burst and not before time contract values are set to plummet this summer . I’m not even sure I will renew my sky football let alone my ST such is my apathy towards it all. 
If there is any more bleating about how hard done by they are it will finish me off . All we read is about testing ... what about the rest of the universe being able to get tests ??
But the last straw will be any approach by ‘football‘ for a government bail out because of its ‘importance’ to society . That would sicken me tbh but I would walk away forever if if taxpayers money ( we already pay to go anyway) is used to bail out the game.

This pandemic has been a generational leveller affecting the lives of millions . But millions of normal people have stepped up and in doing so have shown football to be By comparison the grotesque business that we all really knew it was.

They are not special cases in a million years and if Waggott and his cronies even start down that hard done to road then it really will be all over for me .

8 minutes ago, oldjamfan1 said:

They will Tony, yes.

For gods sake why don’t they just say we’re gonna try and play in September and new season starts 1st Dec ??

Theyll have to get over the contract issues like every other business and employer is having to . 
frankly sick of hearing about this special case called football . They aren’t and by the end of all this covid stuff they’ll realise they aren’t .

far bigger issues to deal with than a load of highly paid marred arses. I wish none of them any Ill whatsoever but there’s millions of folk devastated by all this . Football just doesn’t get in the top 50 real issues .

2 hours ago, Stuart said:

Not sure how many of you on the board know @pk1875 (Paul to his friends) but he’s currently in hospital suffering quite badly due to Coronavirus.

If you get a minute to say a prayer or send positive vibes he could really do with them right now.

Come on pk lad - we’re all behind you mate . Look forward to seeing you back on the board soon .

4 hours ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

Transfer window and contract end dates to move. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52188913

Oh good - bit more planning time for our European scouting network .If they’re not furloughed by now Waggott wants shooting . We simply have to furlough in our financial position irrespective of the arguments going on in football .

on another note can we expect Holtby to be fit again when it finally resumes??At this rate Dack won’t be too far away .

1 hour ago, Stuart said:

So £152m in debt with £128m owed to Venkys. An increase of 17% in one year. Champion. 

They really have been fantastic for this club over the last 9 years. By ‘this club’, I of course mean the Old Boys Club.

We should all not only be grateful but should help them by getting the dwindling fanbase to pay for this mess. If they want people to rally round after the lockdown they really need to not market it as somehow supporting the Raos.

Exactly Stuart . 
and in what world do we think we can run up losses of £35million in 2 years and then contain to £4million in the third year ?

 So yes , the plan was shot to pieces on 23rd December live on Sky.

waggot yet another in a long line of chancers rolling into ewood.Do our bit to help the owners who have been good owners for 9 years ? Fook off you total no mark .

34 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

It'd be easier saying which ones of Roy Boy's signing didn't under achieve ? Stephane Henchoz - that's it !

Thought Dalglish signed Gudmundsson - might be wrong .

7 hours ago, tomphil said:

This on the back of Nixons comments at the weekend are just priming for the inevitable. It was going to happen anyway at some point but this will have forced the issue. The borrowings will be stretched to the limit on the back the assets available to sell now.

This situation can't be helped but if Vs are prepared to fund it through this crisis and these lot are saying it's ok we'll try and do it ourselves those in the middle will be rubbing their hands again.

Seeing as the biggest asset is worth nothing at the moment my approach would be cut all the deadwood completely then try and keep the best young players etc. The opposite is likely to happen so fasten your seat belts these lot running it will do anything to make themselves look good in the owners eyes.

Signing shite and carrying other rubbish to be nice and make up numbers will prove costly yet again i'd wager.

Thing is Tomphil , what is any asset worth now? Hard to envisage big transfer fees and huge salaries going forward across the football world . Not necessarily a bad thing but the game is currently being shown up for furloughing non playing staff ( which as taxpayers will end up with us ) whilst players are waltzing off with their huge salaries . Must be a bit galling for nhs staff to be setting off every day to do what they do when that’s going on .

Its like everything across the entire world will come out of this and absolutely everything will be halved. Apart from our bloody debt . How that then ever gets paid back god only knows but then again was it ever going to be ??? 
Scary times 

4 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

We have scouts at the club. We are scouting players from all over Europe

And the relevance of that right now is what, Chaddy??

24 minutes ago, Proudtobeblue&white said:

It's a long haul. May's finals postponed, looking like the Olympic Games are going. we are in lockdown for a minimum three weeks. Folk aren't taking it seriously enough. I'm a key worker, though not in the NHS, I'm extremely concerned working in the court system where you will not believe how lax the Government's advice is not being followed, and you can imagine the criminals in society don't have hand sanitation at the top of their daily list. I don't expect nor have any expectation of sympathy, but the police are still locking up vulnerable members of society, who are entitled to representation. I'm not sure we will get any football soon.I'm shit scared, my partner is in a vulnerable group, and I cannot see her for a minimum of three weeks, and I suspect a lot longer, as we don't live together.

Sport has to take a back seat.

Very difficult times.

I wish everybody well, and be sensible. 

Best of luck mate - however crap we might all feel this is ive got huge sympathy with your situation .

i hope you get through the stress of it ok between you and that you all emerge healthy . 

Keep well fella 

9 hours ago, scotchrover said:

Whilst I agree with FFP being unfair, I couldn’t disagree more about clubs not being bailed out- look at all of League 2 and 1, bar a few cases, there is absolutely no one going to come in and throw money at those clubs because it makes absolutely no financial sense. There could well be some fan owners be willing to chuck money like it’s no object, but you’re not seriously suggesting 71 millionaires/ billionaires, who each support a different club, in The Football League are you? There wasn’t before FFP was introduced and with the current impending economic crisis, if FFP was scrapped, there sure won’t be now.
 

This is serious- clubs outside the top flight are in trouble if this season isn’t finished. 

Agree - dire , dire situation.

i can see a scenario where games will start up and be completed in the month of June - 9 games in 4 weeks . That will deal with contracts up etc . Scrap the cups and euro comps and euros themselves and restart the season in Sept also without cups and head to euros in 2021.

Quite how many EFL clubs will be left by then is anybody’s guess . 
terrible for the game itself as people will probably not attend in same numbers for summer football and many will be out of the habit by the start of the new season . ST sales could be calamitous  for many clubs after all this . Maybe we should be thankful we’ve got loons in charge for whom the value of money seems not to matter . Now that’s  a sentence I never thought I’d write!! 

18 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

A change is not necessarily going to result in improvement. Going from Allardyce to Kean, for example. But the point was more about the decision makers - who is left to actually make decisions if everyone gets the bullet from India ?

who do you think makes the decisions now?? she does and always has. The ones at Ewood are puppets-pointless and useless

11 hours ago, JHRover said:

Richard Sharpe will stick up for his mates at the club who feed him stories and make him cups of tea every Thursday pre match conference.

To be turning up two games running supposedly chasing promotion with no defenders on the bench whilst our promotion winning vastly experienced former captain sits at home collecting his wage is simply inexplicable.

You must be born yesterday if you think there isnt more to that particular story, sadly it seems the majority were born yesterday judging by the number who happily lap up the nonsense.

Spot on. Even if he doesn't start Mulgrew yesterday then he has to be on the bench. The decision to start with all his front players (at least in name only) may have got us in front in the match but even if it had done then surely at some stage you would bring Mulgrew on and sit him in front of the back 4 to stop Derby walking 60 yards up the pitch unchallenged. Without Mulgrew, he didn't even give himself the option of getting Nyambe back to full back and slotting Mulgrew into the back four.

Its bizarre and god alone knows what has gone on there. It's all very well Mowbray saying we want to play a different way at a faster pace. Yes- if everybody is fit and available but we were down to the bones and he doesn't include a guy in the squad who captained us this season and has played international football this season. I'm not suggesting he is an answer long term at all . If he isn't , as Mowbray keeps telling us, then the wisdom of giving him a contract till June 2021 as one of highest earners is even more ridiculous.

Just go Mowbray , you're an idiot .  One look at our remaining  fixture list and I seriously expect us to finish in the bottom 10 this season and after plenty of Mowbray transfer windows absolutely nowhere near having a squad . A collection of bodies maybe, but that is about all you could say. Fortunes spent and fortunes wasted.   

As somebody mentioned earlier in this thread, the Summer clear out needs to include Mowbray, Waggott, Cheston, Suhail .as a starter.

5 hours ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

Good shout on Hird. I can’t remember what Kenyon looked like! As they are definitely not Sir R, The Don and Mick Heaton, I’m struggling for other names.

It’s Jimmy Mullen next to Parkes 

Obviously they’d all taken advantage of the super 6 ticket deal!