That model can work, however our dour old manager can't attract them with his brand of football or get the best out of them if they do come (palmer). If I was a premier league manager like pep, jurgen, I'd want my lads playing a more vibrant brand of football etc with better players. Villa made it work to an extent, derby were also decent

So, you think he's been bought to start from the bench and come on late to help the defence not to concede late goals.?

My brother in law is a Dale fan, he says he is very average and he watched him more times than your 1 preseason game. I'm surprised you use a non game as a yardstick.... Like I say, we need much better than Sam Hart in order to progress up the league.

Yes, but I suppose it's all about your expectations. I think with the money that was available over the last couple of seasons that we would be pushing top 6, we need better than Hart for that. He may do well in league 2 or 1 on a good day, but we need better and if the coin hadn't been squandered on Brereton and Gallagher we could have had a quality LB and CH .

On what I've seen when he plays football.

That's a relegation back 4 right there.

Great stuff, 3 useless left backs....

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Danny Simpson looking to leave , maybe if we hadn't wasted money him and ollson either side would have done me

Yes any team with designs on promotion should be looking to spank this lot . They've lost players and we should better em. Rothwell should start, but won't..

Yeah, let's have hart, Williams, grayson and benno in the back 4...jesus, that's conference level

I'd take that chance, they can feck off tomorrow for me.theres no debt on the club. They are in as much shyte because they'll never get what they've invested...The club is bigger than shystersvenkys, there would be a queue to buy us and some good people

I'd take Sinclair

You're falling for the old mowbray Indian rope trick.

Aye and one injury short of Del back in the defence. ?

Pisses me off mowbray, always doing us down....

Yes I'm sure Walton from Brighton was the man he meant.....?.

No, just put it out there if you know or shut up if you are making things up. I think he's making it all up . . Just no detail at all.

I'd just keep my gob shut altogether for fear of getting rounded on.. I'm sure the janitors assistant rumour mongering isnt going to scupper Tony's big goalie multi million pound deal, is it? Can't imagine Tony running down the corridors looking for the culprit

Yes, but let's have names....anyone can say we are going to buy a goalie, but to put yourself forward as someone with information then surely a name would be required or you might be open to criticism .

I got banned for a lot less than that

Dont forget, theres 5 more coming.

I am too

Is it info, or just guesswork?

Based on what exactly?