Angry_Pirate

Bit drastic... but look at the facts. Williams is injured, Rodwell is gone, Nyambe is a RB, Adarabioyo signed yesterday, no one else signed, Magliore and Grayson are teenagers. Mulgrew is nailed on for the first game because we only have 2 senior, fit, central defenders. Mowbray will want to play all his faves against a team like Charlton in the hope we win by a few goals (possible). That way he can "justify" playing them for the next month or 3. God help us if we start with Nyambe, Travis and Rothwell on the bench and win comfortably... Tony will feel justified to leave them out for ages.

As it stands for me, 10 positions should pick themselves for Sat... Walton, Nyambe, Lenihan, Mulgrew, Bell, Travis, Johnson, Right winger, Dack, Rothwell, Graham. Don't care if the winger is Armstrong, Gallagher, Downing, Chapman, Rankin-Costello, Javier De Pedro, Bennett or even Brereton... but that (for me) is our best XI until Tosin gets up to speed or we buy one better. I do expect Gallagher to be starting most games eventually. Of course, no way I see even 2 of Bennett, Downing, Armstrong or Evans on the bench. Roll on Saturday.

Good for Nuttall. He has resurrected a career here but is likely never going to be good enough. Maybe we're smart and add a buy back clause as well as a sell on fee. Smallwood to go next ? Butterworth, Grayson, Fisher and Samuel could all probably do with loaning. Bring the squad size down.

I took that to include any manager we have had not in the top flight... clearly you were only referring to the list of jokers and clowns post 2012. I've only been aware of football since the premier league era began, but of all our managers i think it's easy so state that the top three are clearly (chronologically) Dalglish, Souness and Hughes, with Allardyce easily in 4th. Most fans around this board can't even decide fully if Mowbray is doing better than Bowyer, so even if Mowbray is the 5th best manager we've had in 30 years... the managers ranked 5th - 15th are all pretty laughable, very flawed or simply bang average. You're still saying Mowbray is better than Allardyce... which is amusing.

Hmmmm... Sure Kenny Dalglish (1992) and Greame Souness (2001) would agree with you ?... both of whom actually won us promotion... and then a pretty significant trophy after that... And... Since Mark Hughes. So that's Paul Ince, Sam Allardyce, Steve Kean, Henning Berg, Michael Appleton, Gary Bowyer, Paul Labert, Owen Coyle. High praise indeed. ? Did you actually just say Tony Mowbray is a better manager than Dalglish, Souness and Allardyce. You actually did. 2 of what you're drinking!

Those quotes basically say to me that Mowbray and recruitment have been doing buggar all but waiting for Adarabioyo to sign for 3 weeks. "Now he has signed we go again" (or words to that nature) That cant be true... No wonder we get hardly any of our/the top rated targets.

He finally made it!!!! Best not be shit now ?

Is it physically possible to have gone any slower? 3 weeks for a loanee kid from Manchester. I can only assume Tosin had to drive to India to meet the V's first and is now on his way back... Nah, doing that literally would have taken less time. ?

Saving it for a new manager ? (Mark Hughes might be desperate by then!) More chance of the Earth actually being flat ??

I'll be judging at 2:15pm when I see the team sheet ?

Billy McKinley was about 2 years before Tugay ?

Him or John Souttar would be decent for us. Think his value is around the £5m area with McKenna maybe closer to (north of?) £7m. Big money for SPL defenders. Ajer, Katic, Simunovic, Berra, McKenna and Souttar are all decent quality players and it wouldn't upset me if we were linked with some of them. Looks like we're finally being linked with the types of CB we need. (I know McKenna wasn't linked) Maybe we won't be disappointed come deadline day...

Imagine if Brereton turned into a wonderkid!

Bennett and Downing at fulbacks. Rothwell on the benchh He either doesn't get it, or simply doesn't want it. Mowbray out?

That's 32 goals conceded from just 10 away games listed there. Scandalous. However that means we only conceded 27 goals from the other 31 games combined (18 home, 13 away)... impressive. I'm not sure what stat is more shocking, but it does tell you that a quality CB would make a huge difference. It's by no means the final piece of the jigsaw but fuck sake Tony it's been the key piece for 9 months. Get one in, spend this "untouched" Raya money and give us a chance.

I knew if I waited long enough the "Transfer Thread" would become the "Mowbray Out" thread. This morning seems to be the final straw. I recall the majority of fans on the poll voted to "give him the summer" whereas most of us saw the iceberg. Of course there is still the 30% who think hes King Kenny II. Unless he shocks "the world" in the next 8 days and brings in a proper CB (he's already dropped the ball with GK situation) and doesn't start the season with the likes of Nyambe, Travis, Rothwell etc... he will be facing an uphill battle to ever win me back. Hypothetically: if he did win promotion, (no chance IMO) could you imagine his transfer policy next summer... I dread to think, ? honestly. If he continues down the path I think he's on, I really think hes gone by Halloween, rightfully so. Venkys have given him too much money to allow him to plod along another season.

Slow news day. Problem a lot of people (or is it 50:50 ?) have with Mowbray is even if we brought in Jorge Mendes or Mino Riaola to do our scouting and spending, gaining us unearthed gems the likes of Ruben Neves (for example), I still honestly think Corry Evans, Elliott Bennett and the like would be higher up Tony's pecking order. On the positive front, 3 Tony Mowbray signings scored last night. On the negative, that second half formation at Bury was abhorrent. Two wide forwards in Graham (LF) and Armstrong (RF) with Dack as the false 9. Tony...4-2-3-1, repeat, 4-2-3-1.

Graham on the LW all second half.... ummkay.

Smallwood is ??, he has been megged 3 times to boot ?

10 days until the new season, penultimate game, and Richie Smallwood is again captain ??

Maybe the first transfer in history where a club actually pay the "buying" club to take a player? I definitely think we need to loan Nuttall, Grayson, Hart, Lyons and Fisher, but I'd like to see Buckley and Butterworth remain around the squad (with Rankin-Costello) as I think they are ready for Championship cameos. However, if they get half a season in L1 playing regularly, ready to come back and compete in January (like new signings ?) that would make sense due to the size of squad we have. Smallwood simply needs to go for basic numbers. Nuttall and/or Samuel too. Wharton perhaps also. If we do everything you posted @RovingRover I think we will be happy... assuming the new CB is 1) any good and 2) actually plays. Gut feeling is Mowbray could sign the next Cafu, Nesta and Maldini and still stick them behind Bennett, Mulgrew and Williams for 30 games.

It's the 5 behind that that's (still the, if not more of) the problem. 2019) Walton Bennett Lenihan Mulgrew Bell Or: @ Derby) Raya Nyambe Lenihan Williams Bell

A visual image of Mowbrays transfer policy.

Great post, very encouraging... however the part in bold is the part I dread. "Hope Mowbray uses these lads right", he won't.

It's too simplistic to always blame Venkys. Fact is that Mowbray has spent substantial money (£5m) and wages (probably £50kpw) this summer on three players in positions we didnt "need" in Downing, Johnson and Gallagher. Had he done the same but on an experience GK, £5m CB and a free agent LB (Olsson), that would be different. Truth is, it's the person that signs the players that is making the mistakes this summer.