The England job is way different from the Championship or club football generally - Owen Coyle got Burnley promoted so you would prefer him to manage England to Southgate ?

Only one England manager has ever won things with England - and a lot of men who came to the job with good credentials have come up very short - in contrast Southgate has already got England as far in a World Cup as we have ever got abroad and that was at his first attempt . I think it is crazy to be doubting the guy. You refer to Dyche and Howe both of whom have been excellent at their clubs but neither have yet won anything either and they do have the luxury of working in jobs with low levels of expectation - which is very different from the England job.

Can you name this "proper coach" who would want to take the job ? Southgate took over a team of serial under achievers and took them to the semi finals of the World Cup which to my way of thinking shows him to be the right man for the job.

Actually Stuart I stand corrected because the 13 points from 13 games was his overall record and included the next season. He got 6 points from 3 or 4 games that season depending on when he took over (which wasn't completely clear)

Good analysis - screaming abuse at Mowbray and baying for his head is pointless

Redknapp inherited a better situation at Birmingham(not QPR). He got 13 points from 13 games overall so his return per game was way inferior to Mowbray

I don't really understand your question . 22 points from 15 games was a return which would put you in the top half of the table over the course of a full season

Yes I do -I'm not interested in scoring points. I think the job of keeping us up depended both on us improving and other teams not. The latter was out of our hands.

Twaddle - we were relegated because of where we were starting from. I will continue to quote stats because facts are the basis on which sensible opinions are formed.

He had 15 games - from which he got 22 points. He inherited a situation where we had 29 points from 31 games. So on a points per game basis he improved us by a factor of approx 50%. In any walk of life management which achieved a 50% improvement immediately with the same resources would be regarded as doing an excellent job

Decent post. Johnson, Adkins and Pearson are the three most realistic names.

Get real. Wagner is at Schalke, Jokanovic has a no doubt highly paid job in Qatar- Hughton will be waiting for something better

Nathan Jones was a "young,hungry manager" and look at what has happened with him at Stoke. I think it is facile to suggest that that profile of manager will automatically lead to top 6. If someone new did come in, they have to have a personality that means they can work with the conditions imposed by the owners - Paul Lambert clearly could not put up with it.

I live down South so you have probably been to a lot more games than me. Like you I have doubts about TM but per my post above think we should stick

Agreed that the club was a 1000% better run then; the problem I have with some of the criticism of Mowbray is that implicit is that his successor will be a better manager. There is no evidence in the last 9 years to suggest that that is likely. I also think that the "best" manager for the club is the one who works best with the current owners and I cannot think of who that would be - hence I prefer to support Mowbray despite some legitimate concerns

Attended my first game in October 1965. Don't disagree with you about the owners who are clueless. I was trying to introduce some sense of proportion - it is part of the modern football culture that people over react to what has happened in the last few days. Had similar people been around when Kenny was going through that terrible run, who knows what nonsense would have been spouted ?

Can't see the relevance of "Jack". The point is that even the best managers have bad runs

Imagine being able to name him

We lost 3 home games in a row under Dalgleish in 1991-92

Given that it was Mowbray who signed Chapman why do you think he has a down on him ?

Alternatively,standards and expectations might be lower at Wigan; after another defeat last night they look to be facing a relegation battle.

It is the same approach as adopted last season by Aston Villa and Sheffield United - seems pretty good to me

Our main problem to address was the defensive weakness - Mowbray signed a new goalkeeper, a new left back plus Tosun to compete as centre back and there has been a significant improvement in the goals per game conceded as a consequence.

But Chapman is one of Mowbray's signings rather than one of our youth team players - which of our youth team players are better than Mowbray's signings ?

I don't understand what you are saying about Mahoney. He got the majority of his first team opportunities with us from Tony Mowbray but refused to renew his contract and then moved to a Premier League club where he never played - but presumably was better paid.