Less than 200 runs to go - Austrailia can do this

draw - with 2 wickets in hand

oh stop whinging Bad decision, but so were the ones that got rid of Bell and Pierterson at Edgebaston. Oh well they even them out, what with two or three LBW appeals that should have been given

70 overs left 8 wickets to get. Going to be bloody close I'd put money on a draw, coz I cant see us getting Warne out in the time (if we get that far)

Over by Over Reports Dont Get Cocky guys

We dont need to put a negative spin on it Theno - you do it yourself However - last time I checked Islam itself does not condone suicide or Martyrism (sp??) unfortunately its the men who tell others about it thats the problem. But Christianity and Hinduism all have their followers that aspouse fundamentalism and radicalism. Look at the ethnic troubles in India with the Hindu's attacking Mosques and the tit for tat attacks that follows, look at the sustained campaign against the indigenous peoples of south america and africa over the past 400 years by "Christians" using that well know Christian tool, genocide and biological warfare. (Smallpox infected blankets) all done in the name of god and jesus. (and cold hard cash). Has our wishy washy liberalism caused 4 blokes to spread themselves across our public transport system?? Possibly but more likely its prevented the troubles that France has been suffering with its migrant population. I feel that all Religion is insidious, (not sure whether that is the correct word but its a good un) it is usually devisive, ie you are either with us or agaisnt us and its not usually open to other opinions. Unfortunately Extreamism is exactly that, Extream, and Extreamist Islam does seem to be more barbaric and a couple of centurys behind us "advanced" westerners

Which is why I put the ALLEDGEDLY in at the start. So whats your take on it Shaddy?

bless him, hes on a pie per appeal sponsorship deal with Ginsters

To be fair to Dickov - who should hold his hands up and appologise to everyone for that tackle - at least he put some effing effort in second half. Emerton needs something, a P45 possibly. I was never sure of the Axe at Centre back, and as we've sold Johanson its Amoruso as back up, who although "good for a laugh" (if your the opposition) makes mistakes but has a presence that does steady the boat somewhat. Oh well I think Wagster might get his wish about the youngsters getting a run out, although I was very surprised that Johnson wasnt on the bench,as I would rather play someone with more pace than Dickov (I would start Dickov or not at all)

(this is all alledgedly) Warne went absolutely ballistic when he found out Ponting had decided to Bowl at Edgebaston, on what was clearly a batting pitch. Stand up row by all acounts, I think it went along the lines of "We've lost our best bowler, Gillespie's crap, As is Kaspowhowsitspeltic, theres no effing rough for me to hit and YOU want us to bowl against a wounded, resiliant England Side? I think you might be slightly wrong dear captain" Insert expletives as and where suitable

yeah radio rovers. rovers.co.uk Or BBC five live is commentating on it

It does now (bloody router firewall) Come play

wont work for me

cant seem to get it to work at the mo - can someone else set up and account Call it BRFCSChat or something similar

Im quoting this you drunken Oaf Hope Paul had a good day too

Phil - Im thinking of setting up an Hotmail Account for Messenger so we can use that for Chat. Anyone interested?

Guardian I havent found a better site for articles on the Ashes than here (although Im sure Phil and Theno have it blocked on the parental filters )

Id rather be in a western european country (can I avoid france?)

davids is likely to be out

I hope the weather stays clear for you Phil, but I would rather bat and get another 150-250 and then give our bowlers something to play with. Austrailia cant bat as bad as they have again surely????

What ever happens (unless the weather forecast for Sunday and Monday are dreadful) we must not enforce the follow on. If the King of Spain can get that much spin? Warne will be bowling 180 degrees

and I suggest you go and blow it out your arse - but its just a suggestion This part isnt a football message board, (Thats why we have it) and i dont have solutions I have some ideas, teh main one being that you dont crack down generally on any group of people, due to their colour, religion, eating habits, football team because all it does is turn moderate people more hardline. Should we ban muslims extreamists? Yes. But we should ban all extremists because thats what they are extremists/lunatics/dangerous people. I also think we should keep them locked up in this country so we can keep them under close supervision (as long as we dont hire Group 4 to guard them) And the reference to the Irish problems was exactly what I was getting at , and is exactly the point - people @#/?ising religion to their own uses and using it as an excuse for them killing people. I dislike all organised religions equally. As it rarely leaves any openings for those who have different beliefs, and usually ends with someone getting hurt/stoned/burnt at the stake And I do take it seriously as I take all racism and sectariansim seriously because it only ends in more trouble. And Dave I only give agro to those who are quite happy to give agro and abuse to anyone who doesnt agree with Their opinion. And Moderators cant have views or opinions then? Surely If i edited everyones posts who I disagreed with that would be over stepping the mark - but trying to argue and debate points is, im guessing allowed, what with this freedom of speach lark which I keep getting reminded about by some of our posters. [and stop trying to divert attention away from the cricket you ]

Yeah, currently being worked over good and hard by the physio - Im guessing they'll bring him in at 9 or 10

Clicky Clicky or its streamed on the BBC website

We're 430 for 8 at lunch - therefore if we can get 450 that gives our bowlers something to play with - 430's not bad but anything over 450 will be brilliant. I think (hope) that our bowlers will have more joy than the aussies because we can bang it into the ground harder. That being said I expect tons from the top 5 aussie batsmen