8 hours ago, tomphil said:

If you don't know you're as clueless as i expected.

To think after all these years it's still down to a snowball is deluded. 

Stop sipping from that stream on Jenny Lane.

I’ve read it again and twigged who your eluding to. Why don’t you just name him, instead of being cryptic. Why would he come when most supporters are so vitriolic towards the Venkeys. We need to move on. For me the three stooges are more responsible for the current mess.

4 hours ago, tomphil said:

My god where did you dream that up from ?

It's pure fantasy apart from the last bit although for all we know the 3 stooges are just exactly that.  Whilst someone plays real life football manager from India with never any intention of being over here.

The same guy who in the last decade has been a regular fixture in London but rarely found his way to his own football club.

Not a dream pal, a comment that Venkeys need to feel welcomed and not snowballed the next time they dare to visit the club. Who the hell are you jabber in on about in your last sentence. What ever you’re on is doing your head in.

11 hours ago, lraC said:

Very little has really changed in 10 years. Same sh1t different division.

I think it will stay like this until the supporters welcome the Venkeys back. They would then spend time at the club and start to understand how it operates. They currently rely on the three stooges instead of managing the club.

On 27/07/2021 at 14:31, Dreams of 1995 said:

Off to Swansea I believe 

Swansea in a worst position than us. Not a pot to piss in, their own players being sold and relying on loans/freebies. Any monies being generated are pocketed by the yanks. Potter threatened to walk before he took the first training session because of lack of investment. Cooper used his contacts to bring in some quality, again he threatened to walk last season and was talked out of it. I would assume Terry will talk to both of them before making a decision. All he can get from it would be one seasons experience. What would happen to his reputation if they finish near the bottom or got regulated?

This all comes from friends who are Swansea season ticket holders.

John Terry has left Villa, could he be the one coming through the door and Mowbray exiting?

The title of the thread is Billy Barr, so it’s not him, who the hell is Cooper?

On 26/07/2021 at 21:01, RevidgeBlue said:

So by process of elimination, not Mowbray, Waggot, Cheston or Johnson.

Are you talking about Barr or Cooper who are rumoured to be leaving or someone else entirely?

🙂

He’ll be on at least a 12 month rolling contract, so a release and possible payment WILL result in a gagging order.

Possible gagging clause in whatever severance pay.

On 25/07/2021 at 15:01, islander200 said:

Agreed, very rarely in England anyway do you see a player with a 40% sell on ,it's usually 20 max.

Was stupid to agree such a clause, it wasnt like Newcastle were over run with bids for him at the time.

He had had a poor 6 month spell in the championship with Bolton,and a decent (not brilliant) spell in league one for us

The sell on clause depends on how much you’re prepared up front. From memory Newcastle we’re rumoured to want £4m for Adam. We obviously agreed to a lower fee and a higher sell on percentage. Newcastle knew if he was as successful as he was at Coventry then we would be selling.

On 24/07/2021 at 20:28, Sparks Rover said:

Jesus man I don't know everything and he's 30!!...20 years ago I was hanging out of the hacienda and like minded establishments 3 times a week etc and didn't know if I needed a shit or an hair cut.

Fair enough it says he joined Rovers at 16 on wiki.  

Take a chill pill Sparks, I know we’ve been beaten by a 4th tier club. Don’t shoot the messenger, I find a bottle of red (which I’m consuming) helps.

On 24/07/2021 at 17:32, Sparks Rover said:

To be Cat A youn need to have U6 all the ay up...my argument is that out of these players, Jones and Hoilett(to an extent) were developed here...

Marrow was at Boltom until 16

Frank only joined at 16

Ollsson developed in Sweden 

Hanley - developed at Crewe and came at 18

Raya - developed somewhere else came here at 16/17.

The U6-u16 is not required and the large amounts of money spent on all the facilities and coaches etc far outweighs what we get from it.

We.could just take players from other clubs at 16 and it wouldn't make any difference 

 

Sparks I agree with you a lot of the time, but your wrong about Frankie Fielden. He was in the same class as my son at QEGS. He was with the Rovers from at least the age 11. The Rovers wouldn’t allow him to play in goal, he played centre forward for QEGS. I thought you are associated with the area youth football.

On 24/07/2021 at 16:34, islander200 said:

Are you sure of this?As even going back as far as Mowbrays West Brom days he spoke of playing a possession game?And it was him repeatedly saying he wanted to change from knocking it long into Graham to a more possesion based game?

Read my posts in the Tony Mowbray thread. From a senior coach at the Rovers. There’s possession for possessions sake and there’s a more direct approach, like Man City.

On 24/07/2021 at 16:27, simongarnerisgod said:

whats the point of playing possesion football if your players ar`nt good enough,ffs,it`s blazingly obvious that it does`nt work

Bloody well agree change the tactics to suit the players we have 

On 24/07/2021 at 13:00, RevidgeBlue said:

It has been rumoured hasn't it that Mowbray and Venus have differing ideas on how the game should be played.

Wonder if we'll see any discernible difference today.

No, Venus is the one that wants possession based football

6 minutes ago, phili said:

People aren't going to like this but, you just have to look at the operating costs of ourselves and them.

We are geared up for premier league football, to operate us it costs £6m a season before player costs, coaches and director costs. To operate Preston £2m, Luton £1.5m. This is on maintenance, training ground, stadium etc.

They have more commercial revenues coming in. Don't waste cash on player investment projects such as Brereton, don't waste cash on player contracts when not playing players, have smaller squads, less coaches, smaller analytics teams, medical facilities etc.

If you want to operate like them, you do what Waggott was trying to do last season, reduce training ground, get rid of cat A academy etc and no £1m+ transfer spend on players just free transfer and small £500k transfer fees as well as reducing the weekly wage budget for a player to £10k at most. Also as fans we must accept if an offer comes in for a player he goes as happens with the clubs you suggest us following. No offering new contracts to keep the player, they are gone.

Hemmings injects £5-7m a season into Preston, with FFP a owner can do £10m a season. We have to remove around £8m of costs a year from the club, not to go through the cycle. 

 

Phil, The Venkeys converted £20m+ In the latest accounts to capital. Is Hemmings only loaning the nobenders? If this is the case they can continue financing at this same level.

3 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Mowbray has literally lauded this approach, so don't get how it's not his style? 

That’s what I was told. I’m only repeating what the coach said.

3 hours ago, tomphil said:

How many senior coaches do we actually have ?

As far as i'm concerned Mowbray implements the style of play and if not there is something very odd going on.

Is Venus better in with Waggot than Mowbray ? ( now consider the training ground stuff )  Is he the one the players respond to more ?

Just how did Venus get elevated from assistant to some sort of DOF when it came to recruitment ?

Then ask why Mowbray never takes any responsibility himself and often looks like it's all going over his head.

The sooner this little cliche clear out the better, all the bleeding lot of them. 

It’s really confusing and I suspect it goes back to Coventry. Who was in line to profit from the development of the training ground? If Mowbray is pushed its not Venus to blame he can stay in place while Mowbray’s the fall guy.

1 hour ago, martonrover said:

A different opinion on how to do things can be healthy, providing it's constructive and the manager and assistant are both competent, eg Clough and Taylor.

Unfortunately, we have dumb and dumber.

From what the coach was saying it was not healthy. The players are confused as to what is expected from them. Possession is not Mowbrays style it IS Venus’s. Mowbray in training wants a more direct style like we played in the promotion. This makes his utterances even more confusing. Who’s the real power in the club? Not Mowbray from my understanding.

I’ve been in the sauna this morning with someone who’s very friendly with a senior coach at Rovers. Venus is countermanding Mowbray on tactics. Mowbray doesn’t have the balls to sort him out or fire him. Tough centre half my bollocks.

24 minutes ago, rigger said:

Stand or Enclosure ?

Stand in the centre just behind the Directors box. Was touching distance from Elton John, Jack Charlton there must have been more the memory is fading.

26 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Well said Locky lad.

This ‘older generation’ having basic standards and expectations of a professional Championship football club with billionaire owners.

They need to get real.

Not all old gits are the same. This one still has the enthusiasm I had when I was a 12 year old Nuttall Street season ticket holder. Can’t wait for the first game against dirty Leeds bastards. I won’t be boycotting. 

10 hours ago, den said:

If we’re looking for the reason why this club is in the state it’s in, then ultimately it’s down to the Walker Trustees. Jack Walker would never have made that sale.

 

 

Agreed, his problem was the greedy 4 sprogs. My wife went to school with his girls and they were greedy and self centred. I worked at Walkers and Charlie boy professed his love for the club. What a load of bollocks he couldn’t get his hands on the cash quickly enough. He should have left the trust to a supporters association. I bet he’s spinning in his grave.

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

This premise that people need to buy season tickets otherwise the club will vanish and they will miss it is a nice one but a totally illogical one.

Of those that care the most, most will be regulars who are already going, therefore it doesnt apply to them. Plus there will be a further proportion that do genuinely and deeply care but cant go, whether it be financial, family, work, location, whatever. So again, it doesn't apply to them.

So you are then aiming that sentence at people who obviously don't care as much as you do, they can take it or leave it. So ultimately, if Rovers ceased to exist, it wouldn't devastate them like you or I.

The problem is that the club seemingly views those people with similar disdain as some of the other fans do themselves, so instead of the club proactively trying to entice people in, they are just looked down upon.

Back to the messageboard, this is just a place for the obsessed to further debate, suggest and indeed at times have a good old moan at tactics, management, pricing and indeed in this case, transfers. When things are not looking good, for example 200 pages into a transfer thread whereby nothing has happened and our squad is thin with the season around the corner, it will naturally become a vortex of moaning and frustration until something happens.

 

Tell that to Bury, or the other clubs that have gone down the pan. Maybe you’ll be happy watching FC Rovers in the North West Counties League.

1 hour ago, Exiled_Rover said:

It's blind faith at this point though, right?

Has to be, supporters should pray to God, Allah, Buddha that either the Indians twig what they’ve done wrong or we get lucky and win promotion with the gang of three. 

6 hours ago, Wheelton Blue said:

Of course it's the loss of Premiership football which is the predominant reason many have disappeared.

That happens at most clubs.

The way the club is mismanaged simply compounds the issue with Rovers.

Hi Wheelton Blue, I agree wholeheartedly with you. I put a post on here last night that was pulled. I suspected another banning. All I said was there are posters on here that are not backing the club. We all dislike how the club has been run, but at the end of the day it’s still OUR club. I view the Indians as ignorant fools, not malicious. At the end of the day hopefully the club will still be around after they’ve gone.

John from Jenny Lane!

12 hours ago, skous18 said:

So we only had one chance to score a goal and Chapman created it. Great, cant wait for him to be frozen out of the squad 

From what I’ve read Armstrong went close. I worried that someone will bid big for Kaminski and we’ll be in shit creek without a paddle. We’ll have Mowbray’s mates boy in goal. These muppets couldn’t buy a pig on Chorley flatiron.