RevidgeBlue

It's 3 years before you have to worry about any potential FFP implications. You could have bought and sold a promising player for a huge profit in that time and you have to establish yourself in the division first and foremost before you start worrying about FFP.

Not sure what to make of these bids of £4m and £5m allegedly going in 24 hours and 1 hour before the end of the window respectively. Certainly in respect of the second one, there's no possible way to get the deal done in time from a logistical point of view and the first one would have been a hell of a push to come out with a bid out of the blue, get the selling Club to accept, do medicals and get the deal done within 24 hours so I wouldn't say either alleged bid was evidence we had that sort of money to spend. If we did have that sort of money to spend we should have got our business done early and landed our targets like you say. Not the "Head of Recruitment'"s finest hour.

Even more important Dack has a completely injury free season imo.

Yes I'm delighted we're not risking another transfer ban so we can sit there and not sign the players we want in future windows as well! I hope you and I Ossy Dave will be just as happy we didn't overspend if we get relegated and we're waving goodbye to the Championship. We might not go down but we're taking a huge gamble on us being good enough.

I'm not sure how "try before you buy" deals work, are you automatically obliged to purchase at the end of the loan period or do either party have the option to pull out? These sort of arrangements haven't worked too well for us in the past. D.J. Campbell and Barney both came in on loan and were garbage yet we still mysteriously signed them and surprise surprise they were both garbage after signing permanently as well.

We'll have to see whrther it's good enough won't we Parson. Sorry, this "the market is inflated beyond belief" guff that has been coming out of the Club all close season is absolute rubbish. The market is what it is. Prices aren't just temporarily inflated this summer then going to return to a lower level thereafter, they're going to continue to rise at least in the short to medium term.

and we didn't get the players in we needed despite the fact we've had all summer to try to do so. Bottom 4/5 squad.

That would seem fair comment. I still think it looks as though we misjudged the market completely initially, went back to Venky's for more funding and we've been floundering around at the last minute trying to get people in.

Not going to sink to your level and resort to hurling insults but it is not a ridiculous comparison at all. I'm merely stating facts. You Don't like it because it doesn't suit your argument.

I'd rather go big money on a striker and bring in a midfielder on loan if deemed necessary. Agree on Chapman.

We've spent around £2.5m so far. £1.75m on Armstrong up front and small fees for Rothwell and Davenport. I wasn't sure we were going to bring in Armstrong granted but at the start of the summer I'd have said we probably needed to lay out about £6m primarily in the forward and wide positions to make us competitive. Maybe we will by 5p.m. tomorrow.

Just on the midfield, if we were thinking of maybe playing a 3-5-2 then arguably we'd have Smallwood, Evans, Whittingham, Rothwell, Davenport, Palmer, Bennett, Conway, Bell, Travis, Tomlinson, Gladwin Hart and any new signings competing for a midfield slot! Way overstocked in that area already. Whether the quality is there is another matter entirely and we'll only find that out as the season unfolds.

Ooo you bitch...... Perhaps we should revisit this conversation when we've spent another £5m or so!

Don't really understand the sudden love in for Gallagher tbh. He's not good enough imo, you know what You're going to get off him, plenty of honest endeavour but no real presence, either in the air or as a target man, plenty of missed chances and a modest return of around 5 -10 League goals. I d hope we had someone better in our sights.

You're easily pleased. My ideal window would be bringing in Maguire, De Bruyne, Salah and Lukaku on top of what we've already got. Still, there's always the January window......

Why do we need a keeper?

We also relied heavily on loan signings the last time we were in the Championship and that resulted in relegation irrespective of who the manager was.

Yes, absolutely gutted. Obviously. £4.5 - £5.5m to go!

WhiIst I think we desperately need a striker. I'd be over the moon if Chapman came in permanently. For me we have to strike and get him on the cheap whilst there are still one or two question marks about him. A good season or two and he'd be completely out of our range.

Abso-bleedin-lutely! Cue however a load of people saying that if we have 4m to spend on Freeman that must mean we have 18m available to spend on a striker. Lol.

From a personal point of view, and I might be being completely old fashioned and out of touch here, but I want to see our "own" players turning out for us, I Don't really want to see a revolving door policy of half the side being made up of a different set of toan players from other Clubs notionally wearing the blue and white halves every twelve months. Then from an objective point of view I think there are a number of drawbacks of over-reliance on loan players: 1)When things aren't going well, will they be as committed as permanent signings? 2) As a rule of thumb Clubs Don't let their best players out on Loan. You're generally looking at players Clubs Don't want or young lads from Prem. Clubs with no first team experience who may not even make it at senior level. 3) When you sign players on loan, are you signing the players you really want in the positions you actually want or merely padding out the squad because said player is available and It's a cheaper alternative to paying fees etc 4) Loans Don't add value to the squad etc etc

That went well didn't it......

Not sure what the problem is with the window finishing early, everyone knew when the window closed so there's absoluteiy no excuse to be scurrying about at the last minute. If it closed on 31st of August as normal Clubs would still be panicking at the last minute having tried and failed to play silly buggers with each other. I'd go a bit further and close the window before the season starts so that anyone signed is eligible to play in the opening game. It doesn't matter if the window in Europe closes later, just Don't sell anyone after a certain point. As for us, we'll have to wait and see if anything happens tomorrow but for me it's a pretty disappointing window if we Don't get at least one wide man and one striker in as we will have overloaded with players in what I regarded as non priority positions and not really addressed the priority areas wide and up front.

I think if you provide the outline of a deal in principle you can submit the formal paperwork after the deadline. Not sure at all why we need another midfielder, if this guy came in we'd have ten players Trapp, Palmer, Rothwell Davenport, Smallwood, Evans, Bennett, Travis Conway and Tomlinson vyying for the midfield slots. Too much quantity not enough quality. Meanwhile at least one genuine wide man and another striker still urgently required.

They could do a lot worse imo and I very much hope they do.