They already exist as far as I know and if you contacted the Fans Forum Chairman I'm sure he'd be willing to send you copies.

Fair enough Stu. Now, any chance of an answer to my question above or like the Nationwide Ads is the information for the benefit of "brand new customers only"?

So just to clarify: What exactly have the Club committed to thus far in terms of meeting with BRISA? - How often? - What level of contact? i.e. John Williams/Tom Finn etc or another club representative such as Nick Hall? Who with? i.e. BRISA committee members only? Ta.

Don't understand where you're coming from really Don. weren't you one of the founder members of the fans Forum or something?

stu, you're doing yourself nor BRISA any favours whatsoever with an attitude like that. So the club want a reaction from some supporters over new kit options. And later tell you which one has been chosen. But want you to keep it quiet ahead of an official launch. What are you meant to do? Promptly go out and tell all and sundry?. This is starting to remind me of Life of Bryan. " **** off we're not the Judean People's Front, we're the People's Front of Judea"

No problem with any of the above Paul, just didn't see the rationale behind a secret messageboard for BRISA members. I will see if we can get you along to a Fans Forum meeting. Shouldn't be a problem as far as I can see. Incidentally when you said in a previous post the club have agreed to meet bi monthly. Meet who? The Committee? Making it rather similar to errrrr..................the Fans Forum!

1) Not strictly true, luckily for us TV revenues and premiership place monies currently dwarf gate receipts so we are protected from the effect of falling gates somewhat. That said a pound is a pound from whatever source it comes from. 2) Other places probably have got a population of far greater than 140,000 to rely upon. That's even without touching upon the Asian debate. 3) The Walker money will not "run out" The Trust fund is a dynamic fund for the b enefit of all the Walker businesses supplemented by profits from all the businesses. Whether or not the Trustees choose to reduce or withdraw support at any time in the future is a different matter. 4) Agree on one point relegation would be an absolute disaster the way the club is set up at present. 5) The Board have hardly been "pulling it off" in recent years as we have had a deliberate policy over the last few seasons of running at a substantial deficit and paying a wage bill of more than we can really afford in an attempt to finish in the top half of the table. All at the end of the day supported by the largesse of the Trustees. That policy goes pear shaped when your manager is spending large amounts and not producing the goods as with Souness latterly. Luckily Hughes seems to be producing the goods without having had a penny to spend in net terms. 6) BRISA is a great idea but let's get away from the notion that the missing fans are suddenly going to flock back because it has been set up. If we do get back to average gates of 25-26000 it will take several seasons of attractive, reasonably successful football to achieve. A few home grown players coming through the Academy would work wonders in that respect as well.

Firstly let me say that I very much hope to be there on Thursday night and to join up. If for any reason I can't make it I'll join immediately afterwards anyway. However rightly or wrongly I'm afraid the impression that is coming over quite strongly at the moment is that BRISA will be representative of the views of the membership who have stumped up their fiver and that only representations from that section of the fans will be given any credence.

Very Secret Sevenish. And the fans forum is criticised for lack of transparency.

What did JW have to say in general at the Aqueduct last night?

Sounds like he and Windy just want to sort out their severance packages?

I don't think that's the reason, as far as I know the Riverside in it's current form isn't strong enough to support all the personnel and equipment. To rectify the problem would cost a certain amount and in the past it's not been deemed a sufficiently high priority. I'd be all for it personally.

If you want to go that badly there's nothing really stopping you is there? People who don't go, criticising other people that don't go, get on my nerves.

This has to be like those sketches on the Fast Show where the woman is talking and none of the blokes are listening to her.....................................

MONEY!

Steady on BBDU we've just seen 90 minutes of scintillating football that's all! What do you want people queueing outside Ewood at 9a.m. this morning for the Everton game on December the 3rd? We've seen several seasons of unentertaining home performances under Souness and to a lesser degree, Hughes. We've also had to put up with with several seasons of Williams and Souness going on about survival being the priority, and Souness intimating that Cup competitions are unimportant. The message has been put right since Hughes took over and results have definitely improved since the Newcastle game but from an entertainment point of view I would suggest that of the games at home this season only the Spurs and Charlton games were particularly good performances. If we carry on in the same vein gates should improve, if not there's a problem, but even if that proves to be the case we just have to get on with it and thank our lucky stars that gate receipts currently form such a proportionately small percentage of our revenue. I'm not sure that for the club to openly criticise the blackburn Public is the right way to go . In fact it could be tantamount to commercial suicide.

Money. I think I read the FA were on a nice little earner for staging the game there as opposed to here. As for the game itself, utterly pointless, needlessly disrupting the season yet again as it threatens to get into full swing.

All week it's been "Fergie out" tonight the radio phone ins have been full of ManUre fans who suddenly think they're the dogs wotsits again. Although Mourinho seems to have been afflicted by a bit of RFW like sour grapes recently give me him Terry, Lampard and Duff over RFW, Ferdinand, Keane, Van Horseface and their insufferable support anyday. Although out of the three I'd sooner see Arsenal win it. And out of the four Wigan

Very good performance from Friedel today, he did what he is paid to do and made three important saves. Two were the sort you would expect him to make, the third with his legs at 3-1 was'nt that category and was vital as anything might have happened had the score got to 3-2. Much much better from Brad. Hopefully he can keep that up. Possibly he himself hasn't been happy with his contribution in recent weeks.

Looks like someone's had a few too many tonight.

Anyone still worried about this game after today?

Superb performance, best under Hughes by a long way and I'm struggling to remember a better one before that. Disappointing crowd but by and large we've played some rubbish this season but still got the results. If the performances were anywhere near that standard every week I'm sure we'd see a marked increase in attendances.

Whilst still one of the better jobs in football the ManU job is nowhere near as attractive as it was 5 years ago. The Glazer family and their soon to dwindle travelling support from London no doubt still expect to win the title every year. Then look at Saturday's team sheet Van Der Saar O'Shea Silvestre Ferdinand Bardsley Fletcher Scholes Park Rooney Smith (in midfield) Van Nistlerooy They've got huge problems. As the departing Roy Keane has apparently so eloquently pointed out on MUTV.

Like him or loathe him Sullivan is usually not too far wide of the mark with his comments. His criticism of Dwight Yorke was bang on the money. And whilst the link above doesn't work for me, if they're the same comments as in this morning's papers, it's about how Heskey, Forssell and Pandiani cost them 12 million, are costing 90k p.w. in wages, and have contributed 3 goals betyween them. Probably exactly what the average bluenose is thinking. Although Bruce probably wishes Sullivan was less outspoken. What a shame.

I was thinking that midweek. We had a visit to Chelsea coming up and it flashed up on the radio he 'd scored the opening goal away at a particularly exotic location. Livingstone I think it was