57 minutes ago, Blue blood said:

Personally I'm glad there's this zero excuse culture. Because if that's what a zero excuse culture looks like, I can only imagine am excuse culture involves the team rolling around on the floor pincjing the grass, crying "its not fair!" Mind you I can see Brittain doing that anyway... 

I'm not too offended by his "managerspeak" the way he paints a rosy picture in public is obviously  his attempt at man management and the way he has decided to go about keeping the players onside.

Personally I'd rather he took the approach of Gary Rowett who has only been at Birmingham 2 minutes and told his players some home truths yesterday after their defeat at QPR. He basically said they were a talented group but had to be more professional at key moments and in certain situations.

I think that sort of honest appraisal comes over a lot better to the supporters but at the end of the day it's results on the board that count. We'll know if the softly softly approach has worked by the end of the season.

16 minutes ago, Parsonblue said:

More than happy to give Eustace time to work with the players in the pre-season.   That's the least he deserves.  I believe he inherited a complete shambles that was left by the previous head coach and that will take time to sort out.  Even if we went down, and I still believe we won't, I would stick with him.  

 

 

I do think people are on his case extremely quickly PB. Probably because they liked JDT so much and also because he is perceived as a Waggott appointment.

However JDT walked out because understandably he felt he couldn't work under the owners or with this "management" team any longer. Eustace has to work under the same conditions and what can you really do when you're provided in the transfer window with players like Fleck, Mcfadzean and a young centre back who apparently can't be trusted. And have to rely on forward options like Gallagher and Telalovic and goalkeepers like Pears and Wahlstedt.

All that said as Matty pointed out it's a results business and if he fails in his task of keeping us up I haven't seen too much from him or our performances YET to suggest he'd be the man to take us forward IF we went down.

Needs to keep us up and start with a clean slate from there.

5 minutes ago, M_B said:

That isn't true, Mowbray wanted to take the £3 million for Rothwell and reinvest,the owners turned it down. 

Rovers were offered £10 million for Brereton, a £4 million profit, the owners turned it down. 

You can't rewrite history. 

If people wanted to sell one of our star players to our main rivals for automatic promotion at the time - more fool them. The fact that our so called manager wanted to do the same tells you all need to know  about his "ambition."

Similarly Brereton. We could have sold him at a ridiculously low price but he was our top scorer wirh 14 goals the following season and we ended up missing out on the play offs by goal difference. Fine margins and hindsight is a wonderful thing.

None of these problems would have arisen in the first place had Mowbray and Waggott tied them all down when they should have. I'm not rewriting history at all.

2 minutes ago, M_B said:

If you think there's a relevance then that's up to you, to me it has no relevance whatsoever to what is happening today. 

Back in the present,it depends how bad a job someone thinks Tomasson did IN THE END.

I think Eustace took over a complete mess from Tomasson and if he keeps us up he'll have done well. It matters not how good the football was last year, he didn't give a damn in the end. 

JDT took over a complete mess from Mowbray as well but exceeded overall expectations in his first season despite a very poor second half.

If you can't see that the financial restrictions JDT were working under IN THE END were light and day away from the financial support Mowbray received then there's not really much point debating it.

Plus Mowbray didn't have to put up with the same various transfer deadline day shenanigans.

I do agree Eustace's job is to keep us up by hook or by crook regardless of how pretty it is.

9 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Why is it irrelevant? I’m comparing Rovers managers. People do that all the time, and why not? We compare good ones, we compare poor ones. Folk have been talking about how much time a bloke who can’t win a match should get, and that’s a fair question (not that he will go anywhere even if he doesn’t win a single game and we end up in the third division).

So as an *example* Appleton came in during a season with the team struggling (parallels, no?) and was pretty much deemed as being poor from day dot. Yet since coming in this guy has been much poorer, MA got 15 games.

 

Going back to the late  70's I'm reminded of arguably the worst Rovers manager of my lifetime, Jim Iley who without looking it up sparked a players revolt and I think only lasted about 3 months.

Even he won at least one game I think, a 3-0 win in which a cracking player we had on loan David Gregory played a starring role. Unfortunately Gregory wouldn't sign for Iley and things went rapidly South after that.

14 minutes ago, M_B said:

Well, some were blaming Mowbray last night, so I suppose it isn't much of a stretch to throw Appleton's record in, no matter how completely irrelevant it is. 

You might have noticed we're short of money now - Mowbray admitted himself that it was his decision not to renew any contracts during Covid which ultimately resulted in Lenihan, Rothwell, Nyambe and Brereton walking for nothing.

So whilst not 100% his fault he bears some responsibility.

14 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Nothing new there, that's just the interview from back in August?

Thanks. Must have missed the full thing first time round.

Is it the same one where he rattles on about the team bus. That was the first one I remember but I thought it was an internal in Club interview or an LT piece.

I still can't believe he came out in Public and said there was no pressure on JDT to produce results. Whether or not that's the case, you keep that firmly in house.

It's like he's deliberately trying to put people off coming but then everything he's done since he's been at the Club appears designed to have the same effect.

Edit: If that's from last August - again he's hoisted himself by his own petard by admitting that the fans were right to kick off about O Brien and it was "unacceptable" then exactly the same thing happens this January.

39 minutes ago, arbitro said:

They have been the owners for fourteen years. What about Singh, Shaw, Agnew, Hunt, Senior and Silk? They were up there in the incompetence stakes with Waggott. Whilst Waggott is useless he is just the latest in a list of useless appointments by exactly who?

It's all on them and if you can't see if admit that then posters will draw their own conclusions.

I know it's all on them, I'd have expected better from you.

Does that therefore mean that Singh/ Shaw/ Agnew/ Hunt /Senior/ Silk/Waggott/Broughton et al should be left alone and get a free ride?

These people are still actually meant to have jobs at the end of the day. - Whilst it's ultimately the owners overall responsibility is it their fault in the first instance that Singh comes up with a brainwave to sign a load of Portugeezers or Shaw fucks up Berg's departure or Waggott tries to repeat what he tried to do at Coventry and sell the training ground or Broughton as DOF oversees multiple transfer cock ups or Broughton and Waggott bring in players that aren't up to scratch and in some instances aren't even fit enough to play?

7 hours ago, Upside Down said:

What the actual fuck are you on about?

The owners are the ones who employ these people. What don't you understand about this?

You need to stop as this is getting beyond embarrassing now.

Seriously, what the fuck?!?!?!

Just calm down and stop swearing at everyone - it's juvenile and detracts from your overall point. Calling the owners wankers and cunts every other breath makes you look like you're a loaf short of a full bread basket.

We all know the owners need to go and that ultimate responsibility is theirs because they employ these idiots. I was responding to an entirely rhetorical question from Roversfan99 who ignores 99% of what I post and selects certain bits and twists it round. But at least he does it in a largely civil and well reasoned way.

Other than calling the owners twats - what's your actual solution to our situation?

4 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

 

"Unacceptable"

Oh so that's ok then. Business as usual, nothing to see here.

The front of this man is quite staggering.

Where can the full interview be seen Ian?

54 minutes ago, M_B said:

Mowbray left a squad which finished 8th then 7th,a platform on which to build.

it's the subsequent disastrous transfer dealings, or lack of, which has done the damage,you only have to look at the quality of loan players under Broughton and Tomasson.

There's double the number of "recruitment" staff, yet they're not a patch on the previous lot

Mowbray left a shell of a squad after all the loanees had left the and out of contract players walked out. I agree the situation has since been compounded even further by yet more disastrous recruitment.

44 minutes ago, BankEnd Rover said:

Can’t take you seriously sorry. 

Ok if you dont agree with me look at the stats. He's also so good that at the point JDT left we'd conceded the most goals in the Championship apart from Rotherham.

39 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Do you have an answer to the question in the final paragraph @RevidgeBlue

All three need to go but if was only one I would be tempted to go with Waggott currently and get a competent and genuine CEO in. The owners won't go unless they either want to at some point or are forced out by the Court proceedings

Your question was framed somewhat unfairly so let me flip it on its head and ask Do you think ANY owners could make a success of the Club if they were forced to carry on for a couple of years employing Waggott as CEO and Broughton as DOF bringing in the players?

5 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Rev, *nobody* on here gives the likes of Swag ‘a free pass’, to a man the messsge board think he is an incompetent buffoon (at best) - so stop coming out with it every time you are called out for ignoring the Indian elephant in the room.

I don't ignore the Indian elephant in the room though. Quite the opposite.

Although three posters in particular (yourself included) stalk practically every post I make accusing me of it. It's really boring and that apart you're an excellent poster.

7 minutes ago, BankEnd Rover said:

 

Come off it lads - Him and Szmodics are by far the best players we’ve had this season. 
 

“He’s just okay” “ I don’t rate him”…Tronstad gets into any teams CDM role in this league without a shadow of a doubt.

 

You're easily pleased, he's unavailable through injury more often than not as well.

7 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Well if's that's opinion but I think he will sign a new contract here after the season ends

Based on what?

2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Its astounding how many people you run through before getting onto the real problem. Including our assistant manager from 2 years ago. And even when you do get to them, its the issues surrounding them as if its not their fault.

It's astounding how you don't see anything else as a problem and give everyone else a free pass.

It goes without saying that ultimately its the owners fault that they keep these idiots in situ either intentionally or because they don't care enough to bother but even with them in overall charge you'd think we'd fare considerably better with proper people in charge on the ground.

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The owners will probably do their usual routine of refusing offers when he had a year to go (an option) like they did with Brereton and Rothwell pissing money away.

Doubt they would now. 

6 minutes ago, RoverDom said:

Dish it up, don't dangle it and not say anything 

The man has always struck me as the sort of guy brought in to deliberately run a Company into the ground whilst it's assets are stripped.

That's why I view him as an exceptionally dangerous person to have around the Club.

1 minute ago, Gamst said:

Kaminski playing for Belgium in midweek and Pears costing us a critical point on the weekend is a perfect example of how the Venkys are destroying us. 

I know it's "only" Luton but do you think TK actually didn't want to move to a Premier League side? 

1 minute ago, Torgeir said:

Tronstad

I don't rate him but fair enough.

Just now, DanielMB said:

Stop blaming the ref. We are awful. End of. 

Agreed. People are looking far too hard every week to blame officials for the slightest thing every week to cover our own shortcomings. Thought the decisions tonight were relatively marginal. Sometimes they get given sometimes they don't but if the boot was on the other foot you'd want the officials to make the same calls.

1 minute ago, Waggy76 said:

To make matters worse , we replaced him with a croc and a has been! 

Beggars belief doesn't it. Replacing a £20m up and coming talent with a 32 year old crock on a short term deal who lasted 15 mins!

11 minutes ago, Waggy76 said:

The squad is totally bereft of talent..

This is a fair point.

Now Adam Wharton has left which of the squad are really good enough?

I'd say one. Szmodics.

On occasion Scott Wharton and Dolan. The rest, forget it.

We're reaping the "benefits" of the Mowbray/Waggott/Venus era and after that having the worst CEO and DOF imaginable.

That's before you get onto the issues concerning the owners

13 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Unique?

On tonight's evidence he is one of our better players yet will no doubt end up walking out of the Club for nothing under the tried and trusted Waggott/Mowbray formula.