19 minutes ago, HowieFive0 said:

Of course ..its just the shock that some on here thinking it wont happen ..and when it does those not taking a deep breath and cutting a bit of slack to what league we re in before becoming ..Enraged from Ewood .

Massive leap this season .

Again, taking criticism about an INDIVIDUAL match and both managerial decisions and player performances that may have caused the INDIVIDUAL thrashing and using them within a bigger picture to try and make a mockery of valid points.

You say its a massive leap, something that people are basically in universal agreement and understanding on. Believe you me, if we had lost 4-1 to Rochdale or Fleetwood then criticism would have been twice as strong.

You say cut a bit of slack, but people are commenting about ONE GAME in the appropriate match thread. Please highlight quotes whereby people are suggesting that they think we will struggle throughout the entire season, that there are questions about Mowbrays future, or anything that demonstrates anything other than criticism over an individual performance and result.

It might happen on occasion, but if it does, it will warrant criticism. Just as if we do it to someone else, we will get praise.

2 minutes ago, HowieFive0 said:

 

Wont be last hammering we take ..welcome to the Championship ..where every team can hammer  anyone ..

And where fans of every team that hammers another team convincingly will eulogise their team in praise, whereas teams that are hammered in abject fashion will be criticised by their fans.

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

The coverage is very poor and Sky need to jmprove the service massively. 

La liga used to be good but I find it recently not as good as it was 5 years ago. Why Eleven Sports got the rights I dont know. Missing out on alot of viewers and cant imagine the viewers viewing numbers are great. I dont want to watch football on my laptop but on my tv. 

I would rather watch English football then Spanish football personally myself. 

I dont have BT Sports and wont. Dont like they coverage and prices for sports are far too much for me considering how much I would get to watch football wise. 

Eleven Sports presumably bid more than Sky or BT for the rights so its not a case of deserving it, if they bid more then it is what it is.

I bet the ratings have gone down so we will see if its sustainable long term, personally I hope not but I imagine that football rights diversifying over several channels (Amazon Prime have also secured some rights) and even into streaming will continue over the next few years. Gone are the days of one network covering all of the games, to the cost of the consumer.

I am very disappointed with it as I did watch both leagues but on very much a casual basis. For example, between the evening PL game and the EFL highlights being on. I would never pay for a seperate subscription or go out of my way to watch it online via streaming as you touch on, hence why I suspect that ratings will have dropped.

Find Sky and BT to both be pretty good in terms of coverage in the main, although I prefer pundits such as Jamie Redknapp and Michael Owen to be kept off. BT is made worthwhile with both Premier League games and European games.

1 minute ago, mick said:

It's a loss. It won't be the last. Time to move on. With the new players that TM is trying to integrate into the team, Rovers could be a complete change from what has been on view thus far. I, personally, am excited at the possibilities. 

I'd argue that the best place to move on isnt the thread of the game we got hammered in.

1 hour ago, booth said:

If it wasn't for people being objective and critical, Kean and co would be taking us into none-league about now.

Parson obviously loves the club to a fault, but it's unrealistic to think people aren't going to criticize the team after a 4-1 loss, especially when we've been crying out for the defense to be strengthened and many have said it over the Summer.

"The poor guy" has won quite a lot I'd say but yesterday was a shambles.

Theres a noticeable swarm of people, and this isnt specifically aimed at Parson at all so apologies if it seems it, who seem to only be willing to accept praise and if we lose, or do something that could potentially be critiqued, its put down as "one of those things, we cant win them all, have some perspective, dont be negative etc." In the main, supporters will praise and criticise when due in equal measure.

Id argue its part of our culture to go to the game and go to the pub or whatever afterwards and say what youd do differently etc to your mates. Nothing wrong with putting yourself in the managers shoes, weve all got different opinions and it doesnt mean we think we can do a better job than Mowbray or think overall we are doing badly. Yesterday I felt that Smallwood had ran out of credit and should have been dropped, and I felt that Palmer and Armstrong should have been in the opposite roles to which they ended up in. And I stand by those criticisms. Does that mean I think I would make a better manager than Mowbray? Obviously not. Does that mean I fear for our season after that solitary game, or that Mowbray should go? Again, certainly not.

As you say, we are specifically in a thread for a game we lost 4-1 in. The majority of criticism has been about decisions made during this game, and its only those who seem desperate to highlight these criticisms who are in fact the ones ironically guilty of lacking perspective. For all the criticism in here, there is an equal amount of praise in the Brentford thread, mainly for the characteristics that were absent yesterday.

3 hours ago, Parsonblue said:

With regard to his subs he gambled to try to get something from the game.  When he doesn't he's often accused of being negative.  The poor guy can't win.

I honestly haven't seen anything thus far that suggests that Rovers can't finish in somewhere between 9th or 15th in this League.  Not challenging for promotion but not involved in a relegation scrap.  We have a decent squad when everyone is fit and the new players are up to speed.  Of course we'll lose games this season - the opposition is that much better - and there may be times when we might drift uncomfortably close to the wrong end but on what I've seen so far I have no doubt we will be fine come next May.

4 hours ago, Parsonblue said:

Bang on philipl.  Some of the reaction on here is pitiful.  In the first half we played some decent football, created chances but didn't take them.  On another day we could have been three up by the break and it's a different game.  In the second half they dominated and made the most of their chances.  The mistakes we made in the second half we would have possibly got away with in League One but in the Championship better players are going to punish them.  Bristol City are a club that have been rebuilding for a few years now - look at how the stadium has been transformed from what it was.  They have been steadily rebuilding on the pitch and played some decent stuff in the second half.  Why anyone should think that going to Bristol and winning would be a formality for a newly promoted club is beyond me.  The second half yesterday was the first time that we have looked second best in any game thus far and to be fair the last two goals came when we were chasing the game and took risks with the number of attacking players we had on the pitch.

We have looked a solid Championship side in the other games and that is where we are at the moment - a mid-table team that probably won't challenge for the play-offs but will stay away from trouble at the other end.  Mowbray has talked about a long term project and that is what it is and will probably take another two or three transfer windows before we have a team ready to challenge at the top end.  We have come on leaps and bounds in the past eighteen months and surely a little perspective is required at this point.  

You are as guilty as anyone of taking tbe game out of context. In the main people are solely judging on yesterdays game. No over the top conclusions that we will go down, or Mowbray should go or any crap like that. In this individual game thread people will comment on tactical choices, subs and selections ect that people feel he did wrong. Mowbray will make mistakes, he is human and football is a game of opinions.

"The poor guy cant win" is nonsense. Last week he seemingly got his tactics absolutely spot on and look at the praise he got then in the Brentford thread.

10 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

Mowbray does have a strange view on wingers it seems that he will play anybody out there except proper natural wide men. Recently Palmer and Rothwell have played there both have played the bulk of their careers centrally, Bennett is playing there this season but all his best performances for us have been playing central, Armstrong and Samuel have played wide despite playing their careers as strikers. Last season Antonsson who played all his career as a striker was played out wide and at home to Oldham last year even Bell had a go as a winger. The only winger we have had over the last year was Chapman and he was used rather sparingly by Mowbray.  

Agreed. Theres a bit of a myth that old fashioned wingers dont exist anymore but I've provided lists of wingers throughout the Championship. I felt we should have made getting at least one in as an option in the summer a big priority.

I do understand why players who are naturally strikers/centrally based midfielders are played wide, but ideally wed have a winger on one side to offset the fact that on the other side, our wide man will naturally drift in. Players like Palmer and Rothwell can be useful wide in that they will come in and link with Dack etc. Players like Armstrong wide, assuming your striker is someone like Graham who can hold the ball up, can use being wide to make clever runs in behind the striker and exploit the space thats left. But if you have one of these, its best in my opinion to have someone on the other side who keeps the width most of the time.

 Wingers, and they dont have to be defensively irresponsible. Infact naturally central players will often prove even less useful defensively as they will naturally come inside at times and leave their full back exposed.

And @chaddyrovers the post wasnt just aimed at you. Just giving a few facts and a bit of meat on the bones against the flawed notion that he is a "show pony" without an end product.

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Really? 

Rothwell impress me. Ran with the ball, took players on, work hard. Palmer didnt do this. 

For me, Palmer did nothing in the game apart from miss a great chance. Ive not been impressed so far. Would prefer Rothwell to him. Palmer has shown to be show pony so far. I was expecting better. 

8 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Artists yes. Circus acts no.

Rothwell is far more creative in terms of his passing ability. Palmer seems to have quick feet but not quite quick enough for what he wants to do with the ball and it regularly gets caught under his feet before having to play a backwards ball. Armstrong and Dack are artists in that sense. Then you have a number 9 (Graham/Bretherton/Nuttall) so that’s 3 out of 6 midfield players. We then need those worker bees: 3 of Bennett, Evans, Travis, Smallwood and Reed(?). I don’t see how you can half Dack and Palmer, and Dack is the better player.

There seems to be a bit of a myth forming whereby Palmer is a "show pony" with no end product and basically the opposite of Rothwell.

Yes, Palmer has missed a couple of good chances but he has 3 goals in 6 games, he is contributing directly to a goal every other game. Rothwell for all his industry hasnt directly contributed to one, although he did play the pass that played in Bennett to cross for Palmer to score the winner v Brentford.

Even today, Rothwell was a real bright spark when he came on but his final decision was lacking, no different to Palmer in that regard.

Palmer has the added advantage of having historical evidence of competence in the division. In 16 starts and 8 sub appearances for Huddersfield, before getting a serious injury, he contributed with 4 goals and 3 assists, as well as a goal in a solitary FA Cup game. He got another 2 goals and an assist in 2 starts and 13 sub appearances for Derby, and a further assist in the cup. Not ground breaking or enough to suggest any level of consistency, but hes not just a show pony.

For both, we have to appreciate that they are central players "doing a job out wide." For me, thats down to an imbalanced recruitment, albeit I think both players can play a big part.

Stuart, you mention that 3 of our front 6 need to be "worker bees" and Mowbray said again today that is what he will continue to play, I personally think there are times when we only need 2.

2 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I wouldn't criticise players for one off poor performances, I know our team try their best. I just think no matter what position he is playing, he really needs to take those chances. Fair play for being in the right place, but they were handy enough chances. 

On related note. Did anyone see much of Bell before we signed him? He doesn't look like the best left back in league 1 to me. Is he playing within himself? Have we seen the best of him? I was expecting him to be much quicker for a start 

Apologies, I didnt mean to sound as if I was complaining that you was criticising his performance. I believe that people should in general be able to criticise todays performance, individuals and collectively, just as everyone was in universal agreement that last week we were as good as we were bad today.

I just wanted to point out that he has already scored 3 goals so there is definitely some end product. I did think he was poor today but I feel like basically everyone in the team was. His miss was very poor just as it was at Ipswich, no denying that. Its important to remember that he is a number 10 and I feel like Mowbray carries some of the brunt today for his and Armstrongs performances for the roles he gave them both. For me, in Dacks absence, Palmer should be played centrally.

Can't comment on Bells performances for Fleetwood but in his first couple of games here he was refreshingly attacking and he does seem to have reigned that side of his game in since. Nyambe isnt very attacking in general and his crossing is far worse than Bell's, I do wonder if Mowbray specifically instructs them to sit further back.

Kasey Palmer has liked a couple of tweets criticising him. Not sure thats necessarily a good trait, saw Chapman like someone make a light hearted comment about him picking up an injury as well the other day. Doesnt bother me but potentially shows a bit of immaturity, suppose they are young lads but still.

@Bigdoggsteel he has but hes also already scored 3 goals for us to be fair to him. And hes not playing in his natural position. Feel like he has got the raw deal slightly from a generally inept performance today.

5 minutes ago, AdamRochina said:

completley forgot we aint aloud to be the slightest bit negative at all, shut up man jesus, pathetic performance meant i would and alot others over facebook ect would vent and rant about it, dosent mean i think its the end of the world or i thought we would win and never lose again forever, just expect infact no demand better then the shower of turd we was dealt with today 

There are valid points amidst all the shouting and ranting, such as a lack of defensive depth that you mentioned that most would agree with. That said, I think the reason for the ridicule is the way you convey your anger and frustration, in disjointed paragraphs full of hyperbole and sarcasm. Surely you could be moreconstructive than to use phrases such as "shower of turd."

9 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Why does everyone make it so personal? And then get so uptight when they get one back? Double standards on here are palpable.

The reason for the comment is obvious. The younger posters on here are in the main defending him. “He should be out and about the day before a match that he isn’t involved in. It’s a free country. He’s a grown man.”

The older posters in the main have higher expectations of a professional footballer paid thousands of pounds who should be focussed on getting back fit.

As always though on here, the groundswell is to go round and round with ad hominem posts and make what was an original disappointment into a great bit of sport in gleefully disagreeing with me for the sake of it.

One thing it does show though is the number of twentysomething posters we have on here who can’t tell their arses from their elbows and think social media is the best place to prove it.

Think my opinion is in between yours and many of those who are arguing against you.

I personally think that, something that I think @Tom summed up very well, is IF he is drinking on a regular basis, then it is a problem. We all arent professional athletes and hypothetically, if, and its a big if, he is out drinking too much and not looking after himself, it is totally differentv to us having a few drinks on a regular basis. Yes he is entitled to a private life (although plastering it on social media suggests the privacy aspect isnt of paramount importance!) but he does need to obviously look after himself far more than us with regular jobs. @chaddyrovers said that Mowbray will know where he is always which is a massive assumption to make.

That said, there is a lot of assumption involved on your side too, and I think that you are very much stretching your point out by suggesting where Dack was could have impacted upon todays result, or that assuming that he hasnt been drinking, that spending time with friends will impact upon his injury is clutching at straws.

Not sure the whole isolation of a generation of people by suggesting they are universally lazy and "dont know their arses from their elbows" is ever going to be conducive to healthy debate about the matter either.

2 minutes ago, DE. said:

If he's costing £7m he should be coming in to replace Graham, shouldn't he? At our level you don't spend £7m on potential or a backup option. If we have then it's lunacy. 

Would agree in general, whether that will prove to be value for money will be seen over time, but theres no rush to shoehorn him in the starting 11.

That said, Grahams performances lately have not really warranted being dropped, nor did Brereton did anything special when he came on to prop him ahead of Graham in the pecking order, not that he really had the time or the supply to do so.

I would expect Brereton to become first choice at some point, a matter of if and not when, but his price tag shouldn't gain him a place automatically. If Brereton starts against Villa then I would imagine that Graham may be knocking on the managers door on the Monday morning.

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Palmer will never play the 10 role cos that Dack's position. 

I more than happy with Rothwell and Armstrong wide with Dack in 10 role and Brereton up front going forward. 

You'd drop Graham for Brereton? Why?

Views on Bennett today?

13 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Graham always looks tired after 60 mins. 

I felt Rothwell did a lot more than Palmer who am I becoming not a fan off. I didn't think Raya was at fault for the 1st goal. 3rd Goal was appalling by everyone. 

WE can keep discussing Palmer playing in the 10 role but Ive already told you I wouldn't play him there. So we can keep debating it but I doubt either of us we change our mind. agree to disagree on it? 

Graham looks tired after 1 minute but he continues to be effective. I think he could have played longer personally, and deserved to stay on over basically everyone else in an attacking sense.

Golden rule from free kicks so close is that the keeper shouldnt be beaten at his side. If it goes over the wall and back down then fair enough. He was also beaten at his near post midweek, and has not cut out basic themes from his game, such as when he rushes out, he clears the ball back into play rather than into the stands, and he often parries shots straight back into the danger zone, as he did v Reading. He also often looks for the quick ball on the counter when he gets it, something which at times he is very good at, but he needs to learn WHEN to do it, at times he needs to keep it and slow things down. All of these are hallmarks of a keeper with excellent reflexes, who is young and raw, but has so many flaws that continue to cost us. I would hope that him and the goalkeeping coach can look at ironing these things out as they are basic.

Palmer is a number 10 though, so surely amidst your criticism, you will acknowledge that he deserves a pop in his best position, his natural position, where he played so well for Huddersfield in their promotions season, before writing him off?

In general, do you agree that the fact that all of Graham, Brereton, Armstrong, Dack, Palmer and Rothwell want to play centrally is a concern, in terms of who to play wide? And that Bennett was again below par from a wide position, offering nothing at all going forward.

3 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/16683495.bristol-city-4-blackburn-rovers-1-tony-mowbray-reaction/?ref=mac

Mogga's post-match musings

Feel like hes slightly re-creating history, by suggesting that the primary reason for the lack of discipline was us desperately chasing the game with lots of attackers.

That blatantly isnt true. For both the first 2 goals, when we wasnt chasing the game, the defence and general shape was equally disjointed, and the team was jittery throughout really.

Even when chasing it, we had a back 4 full of experience, and 2 holding midfielders, as well as Rothwell who has been putting in a shift. 

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

If you really think Palmer had a good game. Then blimey. He was awful. 

So far I've been less than impress with him. 

After half time we were awful. Ive already but some much over the top reaction on social media by some Rovers fans. 

We need to play the ball on the ground and move them around, but Movement wasn't there, Armstrong didn't look fit to me, Palmer I've already discussed. 

Hopefully after the international break we will be stronger. 

We need to play to Brereton Strengths and Graham doesn't seem able to play 90 mins regular and he looked shattered second half. His legs are going quick

I wouldn't play Palmer from the start today and I said that last night. He is too much a show pony player for me, and I would have prefer Rothwell to him. 

I guess Armstrong play off Graham so he can run off Graham flick ons and headers. 

After half time we were awful. Ive already but some much over the top reaction on social media by some Rovers fans - you are missing the point. You've just admitted we were awful! People are just saying the same, judging an individual performance and result. They aren't saying we are doing really badly in general, that we need to sack the manager, anything like that. People are angry and disappointed after a very, very poor performance and a thrashing. Just like after the Brentford game, people were 100% complimentary. Youre bringing in the bigger picture when in judging an individual match, it is almost irrelevant.

We need to play to Brereton Strengths and Graham doesn't seem able to play 90 mins regular and he looked shattered second half. His legs are going quick - We didnt play to either of their strengths, but Graham looked fine to me, we had just conceded but he didnt look like he had to come off so soon.

I feel like you are focusing on Palmer too much. He wasnt great but he was out of position, and there were so many other bad performances, particularly Smallwood, Bennett, Armstrong, Lenihan and for his mistakes, Raya. Rothwell continued in his showing for the ball yet lacking end product performance.

I guess Armstrong play off Graham so he can run off Graham flick ons and headers - this didnt work at all. It worked more last season when Graham came deep and Armstrong ran diagonally in from the sides. When Armstrong was so good from wide last season, and considering Palmer is a natural number 10 just like Dack, it made no sense to switch their positions.

Just now, Tom said:

One thing people overlook is that he’s decent in the air, he’s no Graham but out of all the players behind Graham the only one likely to win a flick on.

He stands out because he always comes and wants the ball, doesn’t always come off but always wants to make something happen.

I personally found Armstrong more worthy of criticism today 

I thought Rothwell was similar to Palmer, wanting the ball, looking to beat people, but end product sorely lacking.

I understand Palmer being played wide when Dack is fit but when he isn't, Palmer is a natural number 10, a position which gives you far less defensive responsibility, and far more influence going forward. Considering Armstrongs success from wide last year, I found both positions very strange.

I do worry about the balance of our attacking players, for all the talent we have. Very few if any would choose to play wide over centrally. Graham, Brereton and Armstrong would want to play as 9's ideally, Dack and Palmer as 10s and Rothwell in central midfield.

Just now, Biz said:

I expect people to look at the big picture and react accordingly.

If you think the backlash towards Dack or AdamRochinas posts are justified, I’d suggest taking ones head for a wobble!

To be fair, AdamRochinas posts are very unique in that they arent constructive criticism, just wild sentences of anger. The Dack stuff is a seperate issue, but is obviously dependant on factors we dont know about.

I dont really agree with the first line. Just as if we were in a poor run/start/position, and got a good win (see Bradford away last year) people would be entitled to compliment the performance and result without having to overly concentrate on the fact that we are still below overall expectations. 

We are in the match thread of a game when we were comprehensively beaten, and sorely lacking. Its not going over the top to state that, and state what in particular caused that. If the thread was judge our first 6 games, I'd say we are doing ok, no more, no less, but we are in the Bristol City away thread.

Another thing about Palmers performance that I would say, it made no sense to play him wide.

He's a natural number 10, and in Dack's absence he should have played there. Felt that Mowbray got it wrong playing Armstrong off the striker, we saw what he can do wide last season.

16 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Exactly Nathan. 

Far too people go OTT when we are losing or have lost. 

We are mid table and we would have took that at this stage

Not at all chaddy. People are bound to be very critical of such a terrible performance, in isolation, just as they were very complimentary about previous performances, for example the way we dug out a win last Saturday.

You are in the match thread of a game we got hammered in, not sure what you expect.

The fight and never say die attitude on show v Reading and seemingly v Brentford seemed to run out at half time.

Disjointed first half with 2 or 3 chances we should have scored. Horrendous and embarrassing second half in which we lost our shape and our heads completely.

Raya having a typical day at the office. At fault for the first, a fairly well hit free kick but at his side, and badly at fault for the third. Also a typical rush of blood in the first half where he needs to learn to kick it out rather than back into play. Made a few very impressive saves though, but one or two he parried straight back into danger, something he did which cost us v Reading and something else he needs to cut out of his game if he is to become the keeper so many seem to think he will.

Defensively, we were so disjointed, have to suggest its a collective effort there as to why we toiled so badly. Both full backs were really shaky at times, and Lenihan has very little composure on the ball. Totally disagree that the middle 2 are midfielders, they both didnt have their best games but they were often left isolated.

Mowbrays faith in Smallwood is at risk of becoming blind faith, hopefully hes down the pecking order after another poor show. Evans has a lot more credit in the bank but he was quite ponderous at times, back to the Evans we have seen at times before. Elliott Bennett was as poor as anyone I would suggest, so, so poor going forward, and defensively I don't think he did the job hes become so well thought of for.

Palmer and Armstrong were off the ball today, both talented and important, Armstrong will have more scope due to the lack of a quick winger being brought in, leaving him as the only really quick player we have. Both missed sitters and their decision making was poor. Graham as per usual was very good at holding it up etc and should have been left on longer but the supply up to attack was thoughtless. Once Graham went off, we lacked a focal point, as you would expect.

Not sure on the use of subs either. Graham was doing well and Brereton should perhaps have been put alongside him. He didnt really do much, a clever effort at the end, some really poor movement much earlier when he looked like he didnt understand the offside rule. Obviously not enough to judge on properly but Graham holds the shirt for now.

Rothwell was really positive but I'm surprised that Palmer and himself have been rated so differently by people on here. Rothwell was very similar in that he was positive and bright but his end product was universally poor. Take the excellent run near the end when he should have slipped someone in on goal and he instead chose to tamely shoot wide from distance. Nuttall is a pointless sub, never impacted the game and for me Reed for Smallwood was the change to make.

Think this makes for an average, middle of the road start, nothing more, from a favourable run of fixtures. We either look well drilled or all over the shop, as we saw also v Reading and for half of the game v Millwall. I do worry that our lack of defensive reinforcements will catch up with us at some point, and also that Raya will cost us a few times as he has done in the past. Fitness permitting, I'd probably line up like this against Aston Villa:

Raya

Nyambe Lenihan Mulgrew Williams

Reed Evans

Armstrong Dack Rothwell

Graham

Subs: Leutwiler, Bell, Palmer, Conway, Brereton, Bennett, Davenport

Very shaky and unstructured at times. Missing Dacks composure going forward. Both Palmer and Armstrong should have scored.

Typical Raya performance. 2 good saves. Then a rush of blood and kicking it straight back into a Bristol player. And then you cannot be beaten on that side from a free kick like that. 

Our best player has been the ref to be fair, if this was the other way wed be furious! At least twice hes got the ball back for us and 50/50s all going our way. Hope that doesnt change with the crowd against him.

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Never miss a day due to hangover and anything like that. 

Did you never enjoy yourself in you teens/20's? 

To be fair, I dont think Stuart was our best player at any point, apologies to him if I am wrong. That is the aspect that people are failing to understand, professional footballers arent just like your average joe who works in an office, they need to be in top shape most of the year.

Don't think hes "let anyone down" last night but its a concern if its done with regularity, with him being an athlete. Something which I am not sure if it is.

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

No I don't agree. Players can go out after a game on Saturday for a few beers or a nice meal before heading off to a club. 

No players should be out the night before a game but like I said the likehood was Dack wasn't in the squad and go out with a few friends. so please can we talk about the game not Dack night out FFS

Well firstly lets call her a woman not a dancer so be so disrespectful. 

 

I think much of the assumption is that Dack is binge drinking with regularity, based on social media. 

If its occasional, then its not a big deal, if it is a regular, recurring theme then it is a concern and a potential problem because hes an athlete ans its not good for him to be doing that, and thats before bringing in the potential of trouble that he has seen in the past.

I also dont get why you claimed to know for sure that Mowbray knew where he was.

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

No doubt he done a good job but never said he hasnt tho. 

Didnt like his reaction at Ewood Park at times and his reaction yesterday for the red card wasnt needed. He was very young player and yes it was red card but no needed for some of Millwall reactions

But when Swansea scored their 2nd goal I was pleased for them. Potter kept his calm approach and even tho they got injuries they kept believing. Montero turn the game for them. 

Millwall had every right to be incensed yesterday, young player or not. The tackle was an absolute disgrace and could have broken his leg.