3 minutes ago, Baz said:

Gallagher is better than you say in my opinion. At the very least his physique means he should be capable of holding up play, maybe somebody like an old tough cetre-half might be able to guide him on. Mowbray has worked with him before, so if he goes back, he obviously sees something in him. With his height, he's a different option as a last 20 minutes sub too. 

We also need to be realistic, we are a newly promoted club, with little cash. We aren't in the same market as others in this league as an attraction. He knows the club, knows most of the players, and I believe left on good terms. 

Its not a matter of being realistic, dont like that as an argument really because it doesnt really mean anything. Its not a matter of being realistic in terms of signing players that play in the roles that you need. It would be like us signing a full back who can play at centre back, to give us cover at centre back, that wouldnt be wise either.

Hes being linked with 7m moves so any signing would probably be on loan, and even on loan last year Birmingham had to pay quite a large amount if I recall just to loan him, so I dont understand how its a point in terms of Gallagher being an example of an obviously realistic potential signing.

My main point was on the type of player we need, and how I dont think he is. I dont feel at all that Gallagher is a target man type of striker, therefore hes not fit for purpose in the type of player we need. I respect your opinion in regards to Gallaghers style of play but you mention that he should be able to hold up play. He is tall but quite lean and weak, he was easily bullied. He did score a few headers but they were based on good movement, when he was battling with a defender he seemed so easy to beat in the air. He was better facing goal because he was deceptively quick. Do we need that type of striker, poor in the air but quick when we have Armstrong and Samuel? Not for me.

I appreciate that he knows the club and the players but for me thats not enough. Fans seem to have a natural instinct to suggest old players, but he wouldnt fill the void we need to fill. Im not expecting us to bring in anyone to transform our team, nor do I have a list of alternative target men as I am not a scout before people throw that one at me. Just a player with the skillset to play, often with his back to goal, and to link play like Graham.

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

So if you trust Mowbray then get behind him and stop question whether we have money to spend. Both him and Waggott has said money is there to spend. So stop saying otherwise. Some of us have being saying for a while money is there but Mowbray will use it wisely. The owners have given him a budget to spend. 

The owners trust Mowbray alot and they will back him. 

No need for cave comment at all. 

Its nothing to do with trusting Mowbray!!! I do trust Mowbray. My point is that, first of all, I havent said there is no money to spend, I dont know for sure, my point is, until players have been bought and are lifting a blue and white scarf and a shirt, im always dubious. Mowbray im sure has been told he has money. But until its spent, theres always a chance that the owners will change their mind.

(I dont have any trust in Waggott particularly, Mowbray has done something to earn my trust, he hasnt, but again, irrelevant)

Neither of us know for sure if we have money and how much, youve clearly a lot more faith in the owners fulfilling what they promise than I do.

All I was trying to do is get you to stop spreading the myth that no one has any trust in Mowbray.

If you arent going to listen to me then there is no point in continuing this conversation.

Think the key is, as people have suggested, is to bring in a striker capable of playing with his back to play. We have some exciting players, Dack, Palmer, Armstrong, they all are players who run on to play, theyve all got goals in them, they all can get in behind, to do that, the striker needs to vacate the space and link it up, Graham is the master of that. 

Think we will struggle to get someone as effective, as intelligent and as good at what he does as Danny Graham. We need someone to ease the burden on him, as his fitness, with age, will not allow him to play 90 minutes of 46 games. Obviously its a shame, as not only does he have all of the skillset that I have listed above, he also had an almost telepathic link with Dack. See the 3rd goal v Peterborough, the 3rd v Wimbledon, the goal v Fleetwood etc. Same with Armstrong, both goals v MK Dons are perfect examples.

Sam Gallagher is not that man. I feel like hes a lazy suggestion based on the fact that hes been here before. He is incapable of playing with his back to goal, and Mowbray seemed to realise that, hence him playing wide of Graham when he was here before, running on to play. Hes decent at a few things, hes quite quick, he can head the ball if he gets a run on his man and isnt challenged for it, but hes never a target man in a million years.

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

No I didn't missed the point roversfan99 so stop saying it. 

Mowbray has been given a budget already by the owners in May, as himself and Waggott  have said many times, so why would they(owners) reduced the budget now. Mowbray has been clever and smart in the transfer window and not allow the club to over pay for players and played waiting game. Mowbray has always maintain he had money to spend so we will see him buying players at the right prices. Now we will see the benefits. 1.75 mil plus adds ons is a great deal for the club.

Do you know what involvement the owners even have in transfer matters or even confirming transfers? Or can Waggott authorise these deals as he has been given a budget to spend this season? 

You have, and the involvement of Waggott in the process is not only irrelevant but im not particularly interested. When exactly the owners get involved, again, not bothered. Do I trust them to spend any money? Not at all.

why would they(owners) reduced the budget now. - and the award for the most naive comment ever goes to! Have you been in a cave during the last 8 years? 

My point is, you keep saying that we need to trust Mowbray to get the right players for the right prices. No one has suggested otherwise.

You say Mowbray has said he has money, he might think he has but Venkys have history of whipping the carpet out from under a managers feet.

Even if you have trust in Venkys not reducing the budget all of a sudden, after everything thats happened, surely you appreciate why others are skeptical, are dubious of what the owners will do next

Please stop confusing this with not trusting Mowbray.

11 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Not a poor post at all. 

Mowbray said keep saying he has a good budget and we would spend some money. I don't see the owners being that much involved. They give Mowbray and Waggott a budget, now get on with it. 

interesting that. 

I agree with your views on Gallagher. I would be happy with Loan to view to permanent deal with a set fee already agree

will be announce on Monday now until Rovers sort it all out on Sunday. 

Waggott, Mowbray and Slivester have set off to Ipswich this afternoon with the squad. 

Ignoring your naivety in terms of implying that you know how Rovers transfers work behind the scenes now, in terms of Venkys involvement. Venkys have plenty of history at pulling the plug at any moment. 

Your point makes absolutely no sense. You seem to have totally missed the point. Regardless of how the internal system works in terms of transfers, the important bit is the amount that Mowbray has to play with. He has no impact in that. The money isnt coming from Mowbray or Waggotts pocket. If Venkys decided to give Mowbray no money, then it wouldnt be Mowbrays fault just because he had the money last, it would be Venkys fault. Whether its Venkys or Mowbray having the final say is irrelevant. People dont trust VENKYS. People do trust Mowbray. Please get your head around that.

And it was, the smugness was needless. No one is implying that they dont trust Mowbray so please stop saying it. And everyone is happier if we spend more money.

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Why not? You and others doubted whether we would buy anyone for proper money and some of us told you we would and trust the manager to buy at the right price. always thinking negative Stuart. 

1.75 million up front is a great fee for him. 

around 10 goals I think 

After Armstrong signs it will be Monday it will get done then we need 3 more players. A striker, Keeper and defender. I think the striker will be Gallagher on loan, Ripley permanent from Boro and a cheap centre back. 

Thats a really poor post chaddy. No need for it at all.

He probably doubted us buying anyone because of our negligent owners. Surely you understand that. You keep telling people to trust the manager, but its a myth youve created, who said they dont trust him? The trust issues are solely with the owners.

Anyway, really happy to see Armstrong back permanently if the reports are correct. What happened to Zach Clough 

2 minutes ago, AdamRochina said:

BTW Birmingham allowed to sign five more players.  Can I ask why and how if they broke the rules ..i Just don't get how these punishments come into place 

Isnt it under embargo, so frees under 10k?

54 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yet again did I ever say that did I???

We will make signings permanent and spend money. 

Same person who told me about Rovers interest in Kent and Gallagher. (NOT NICKO)

Yes. Talent player

Nugent is 34 years old.

We should be investing in younger players(20 to 26 years old) 

That persons track record so far is 0% so best to ignore him.

That said, why are you so pro signing Clough? We already have 3 players who are natural number 10s. Dack and Palmer, who are far better, and Rothwell who has also just signed.

Clough I think has had injury problems and was rubbish at Forest and at Bolton last season

The rumour has come from absolutely nowhere, fortunately I suspect it holds no truth.

23 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

                         Raya

Nyambe Lenihan Mulgrew Williams

           Smallwood Evans

Samuel          Dack          Bennett

                      Graham

Subs;- Fisher Downing Travis Nuttall Conway Davenport Palmer

The team you want or the team you expect?

Raya

Nyambe Lenihan Mulgrew Bell

Smallwood Evans

Bennett Dack Palmer

Graham

Subs: Leutwiler, Williams, Travis, Whittingham, Conway, Rothwell, Samuel

Would start Palmer and then when he tires we can bring on Samuel or Conway dependant on the way the game is going. Would play Bell as whoever plays down the left they will come inside so he can give us an overlap.

A game we shouldnt lose, hopefully get a win and start off a winnable run of opening games intending to keep the momentum from last year.

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Cant see it being Gallagher or Armstrong who was in Portugal

Hopefully its Chapman or Maddison or Waghorn. 

You think theres truth in a totally random, innocious statement such as that? 

The obvious reason for underwhelming sales figures is the price.

3 minutes ago, pick32 said:

Armstrong offers something completely different uptop, Gallagher is a poor Danny Graham

Is he? Totally different player, cant play with his back to goal unlike Graham.

14 minutes ago, Scotland1 said:

You must be mad! Gally has scored in this league. AA hasn’t 

Just on Gallagher...

18 in 107 championship appearances is a poor goal return. Hes proven over a decent period of time that he cannot score enough goals to really be considered a capable Championship goalscorer.

He also doesnt fit the role that you would want from a lone striker. He cant hold the ball up or play with his back to goal, he has neither the strength or the intelligence.

He is amidst a group of strikers that Mowbray has had, Gallagher, Samuel, Antonsson and Armstrong, all of whom would probably see themselves as number 9's, and all of whom whilst Mowbray has flirted with the idea of playing them central, he has tended not to trust them long term in that position, clearly valuing Graham in that position and playing them wide instead as the wide forwards he professes to like so much, as all 4 are better facing the goal with their mobility than with their back to it. Mowbray clearly values the excellent hold up that Graham provides, albeit his body is on the wane with age.

If I remember rightly, Gallagher scored quite a lot of his goals playing in a 4-4-2 formation under Coyle. He often had Graham doing the dirty work for him in a formation that otherwise was incredibly flawed, and he wouldnt have that luxury now that we have Palmer and specifically Dack, meaning that if Gallagher played in our team, you would think it would be with Dack off him as a lone striker, and for reasons that ive already explained, hes not suited to it. 

I also cannot see us affording him anyway. I would like to think that Mowbray has a few non ex-Rovers in his sights as well that can live up to the hype that seems to be building in regards to the funds apparently available, and the fact that players considered better than Armstrong and Chapman are in his sights. That said, @chaddyrovers always says to trust Mowbray. I do but sadly, I know never to think Venkys will spend any money until the ink has dried on the contract.

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Oh well that's another 2 potential signings we can knock off the list of then. 

I think Garner could be a target. experience at this level and scores goals aswell. 

I would deffo get one of Armstrong or Gallagher. Its a shame we couldn't get both permanent this summer or could we. 

Only another 8 days left and hopefully 2 or 3 signings to come. In Tony Mowbray we trust

Isn't he injured and didn't Boro reject the latest Wolves bid for him 

Do you think that Garner and Gallagher are better/should be on a higher list than Armstrong? I'd have to strongly disagree, wouldnt want either. And have either been linked apart from Gallagher by Nixon which doesnt count.

Also, need to keep repeating in Mowbray we trust. No one said they dont, any distrust is towards the owners and it doesnt help to stop the myth that everyone doesnt trust him.

Wheres all this talk of Gallagher resurfaced from?

I think its a case of absence making the heart grow fonder. He scored 11 goals which isnt too bad to be fair, and then only 6 (I think?) last season. Hes never going to be prolific and hes terrible as a focal point so I dont think he would compliment Dack.

Ive seen people putting him in potential teams over Graham which is madness. 

Unless its on loan I cant see us bringing him back because he was linked with a 7m fee the other day, that might not be accurate but I imagine his fee would be far too much for us.

Put it this way, if Armstrong is on list D, Gallagher is H or I.

49 minutes ago, nathan_rovers1 said:

I think on results over 11 games we were mid-table with a terrible sqaud. We have a much better squad with an amazing team spirit, I think we should be confident this year! 

Not too much can be taken at all from that. We had Raya, Nyambe, Lenihan, Mulgrew, Williams, Graham and Bennett in the team still. But we had new manager bounce and crucially we played a lot of teams with nothing to play for.

Im not saying we dont have reasons to be confident but theres no point reading into and extrapolating that little run of games.

Wheres any suggestion of Garner from?

16 minutes ago, Scotland1 said:

End of the day he’s delivered last year. He deserves the benefit of any doubt. We know the hand he’s been given by venkys.

None of my post suggested or implied that I doubt Mowbray. 

My point suggesting he has bravely said that hes aiming to get players higher on the list than Armstrong and Chapman is a brave and bold statement. If he achieves this, then everyone will be saying how good his signings are, in that they will be better than players that would be very popular should they return, and if he doesnt, then he would have failed in the market. If he ends up with Armstrong and Chapman, then any disappointment that the higher quality targets hes mentioned havent joined will be totally overwhelmed by happiness to see 2 favourites back. (unless they are both loans, then fingers will be pointed at those above him)

None of that is any way negative or doubting of him.

Find Mowbrays interview today to be very brave.

Firstly, id love Armstrong in particular back, as ive said, permanently. Chapman im worried about his injuries so for me it would have to be a cheap deal but id be excited if he came back, albeit less so than Armstrong.

Its brave in that hes said judge him at the end of the window. If our signings arent better than Armstrong and Chapman then hes put his head on the block saying what hes said, so fair play and I look forward to him acting on his word. 

I think it can be dangerous to get too obsessed with Championship experience. Experience in general, we have Mulgrew, Graham, Smallwood, Evans, Whittingham, Williams, Conway and Bennett so plenty. I dont get how the City kid fills this demand either. And his first 2 signings have very little combined Championship experience.

Ive had this debate before with @chaddyrovers, it has to be worthwhile experience. In his attempted defence of Kent and Gallagher, he used Championship experience, even though in the main it is negative experience, Gallagher scoring very few goals and Kent having one average loan spell and one horrendous one. Dack has no Championship experience but that wouldnt stop most teams in the league taking him.

I get that Armstrong has not performed at Championship level before but I feel like it is still somewhat of a safe choice in that we know he has pace, directness and goals which we need and works perfectly in tandem with Dack and Graham. But there is of course a semblance of risk which I acknowledge.

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/would-bringing-kasey-palmer-back-1747154.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true

Just reading this. Mentions a tendency to run down blind alleys and hold on to the ball too much but its par for the course for the type of player he is so that doesnt concern me too much. He tries things and is exciting.

The more worrying aspect is positionally. Says there was a struggle to fit him in the team with Vydra taking his favoured 10 role, the article also dispells the myth that hes equally capable wide. I just hope we can find a way to get both him and Dack in the starting 11 together. 

4 minutes ago, ben_the_beast said:

I think I must be the only person not overly fussed about Adam Armstrong. He was a key part of us getting promoted last year but massively blew hot and cold. Not sure how he'd handle the step up. Couple of others have said it but Chapman is a far superior player. Just a risk with injuries.

Think thats a bit harsh, he scored 9 in 21 from the wing, and linked perfectly in tandem with Graham and Dack. Did far more than Chapman, albeit he got far more game time.

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Cant say im that bothered tbh.

Rather get Armstrong personally.

I would take McKay. Similar to Chapman but he has experience in Championship last season. 26 games 5 goals 7 assists..500k is a bargain. Shame we didnt try earlier. Just the type of winger we want. 

Still at least 3 players need. 1 striker, 1 winger and centre back.

You keep mentioning McKay, dont you think you should trust Mowbray 

In all seriousness, he would have been a good signing for us, worth a gamble, good stats, but we arent in the same market as Swansea are.

Theyve got parachute payments, they are one of the favourites to go back up, they are about to sell Mawson for 20m, they are about to spend 4m on Celina, yet they are signing City players who havent played senior football and Forest cast offs for pittance. Hardly a club that is desperate to get back.

Where will Rovers finish this season? : 16th

Player of the Year : Bradley Dack

Young Player of the Year: Jacob Davenport

Top Goalscorer: Bradley Dack     

Championship Promoted : Stoke, Derby, West Brom

Championship Relegated : Rotherham, Bolton, Birmingham

Dark Horse : Preston

Hey....Stranger things have happened : Both Wolves and Fulham to finish in the top 10.

Miscellaneous : Jordan Rhodes to finish as Championship top scorer.