7 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Did i say this? 

Not directly. But you said about McFadzean, hes experienced, so "what more do people want."

Maddison, you turned your nose up but hes very similar to Dack. One of the proven very best players at League 1. Thus both youd think could handle the step up. Whereas Kent, presumably because you think its more likely, youve defended despite very limited success in his spells in the Championship.

Davenport and in particular Rothwell, if you was consistent in your posts, youd have flagged up a lack of Championship experience on their part. Obviously you havent as you are totally blindsided to anything like that. 

And to clarify, im not doubting Mowbray, im not being negative, this post is aimed at your flawed logic and not at Mowbray.

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Kent has skills and tricky plus has championship experience in the past. He impress me when he played against Rovers twice in the season 16/17 for Barnsley

Maddison hasn't got the championship experience and can I say for the record I have never post that I don't like him. so that's is incorrect information. 

If we did sign Maddison I wouldn't be unhappy at all but could he step up and the for the money we would be paying we would need him to

Youre putting too much importance on experience within the division, yet dont care that our new signings have less than 20 games at this level between them? 

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

I think Fisher is good enough. 

If he was looking at keeper why not look at Boaz Myhill who is experience 35 years old keeper and is without a club aswell

how do you know he isn't good enough if you haven't seen the player? 

I haven't seen Davenport play live. looking forward to seeing him against Liverpool on Thursday. I have read and watch some videos of him. Like what Ive seen but want to see him live 1st. 

Dack is on a longer contract first and doesn't have 12 months left on his contract. 

I don't come on here to wind anyone up. I am here talking Rovers and football. so please stop lying and making things up. I will say this once more I am here to talk Rovers and football topics not personal topics. I don't come on here to wind anyone up. 

6 goals in 24 championship games. 

why would Kent be less than ideal? played Championship before and he got good reviews during his spell at Barnsley 

have Nelson or Sims ever play at this level? 

I would prefer Kent over Maddison

Thanks for that info. 

 

I would have no problem with us having 2 loan players out of our 6 summer signings. I don't see what your problem is with that

no chance of Wilson or Woodburn coming us. Not saying I would like them but realistic I don't see them coming here. 

decent shout. linked with Milwall and from what Ive read he is close to joining them

I don't see us paying 2.5 million pounds up front. do you?

most BS there REV

Maybe you arent trying to wind people up and are just not reading my posts properly.

I never said he isnt good enough! My main point is, "trust Mowbray" or "dont judge players before they sign" are not at all valid arguments. People are making judgements and are understandably skeptical about a 31 year old relegated journeyman. Just as they are excited about a player whose signed who was highly rated at city and did well last year. People will make judgements, some positive, some negative, deal with it.

Still Charltons perogative to want as much as they see fit for a key player under contract. If someone bid 100k for Mulgrew and we said no would that also be out of order?

Never said Kent is less than ideal. I said less ideal than Wilson who did so well at Hull and Woodburn who has looked quality when i have seen him both for club and country. Both players are linked with similar sized clubs so id like to see us also at least try for them rather than settle for someone due to a lack of interest elsewhere.

Thats not a good goal record.

Just now, neophox said:

Khazri is a player at Sunderland I think we were linked with a long time ago.. he would be a really good addition to any champ side..

Not a chance that he will join a Championship club. Big ego, talented player who will go to France.

Just now, islander200 said:

I'd definitely take Maddison before Kent. But I have seen Kent a few times and there is a player in there and we may have a better chance of signing him on a perm,Woodburn and Wilson we wouldn't have a chance of signing permanently and Wilson has an awful lot of clubs after him on loan I'd say it would be hard for us to get him

Agreed on Wilson and Woodburn being more difficult to sign as they are highly thought of but id like us to show a bit of ambition and make a push for both. Some of the clubs linked include the likes of Sheffield United so i dont think they are necessarily unobtainable. Youre right though, no chance of a permanent deal.

Just now, yeti-dog said:

I'd prefer Maddison to Kent.

100% agree. Proven to create goals regularly.

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

who says these will be Premier League youngsters? 

it could be Adam Armstrong and Ryan Kent who have experience at this level. or possible Cardiff City Striker Omar Bogle who I would suggest is within our budget so could be permanent signing and someone I wouldn't be against it. 

 

Bogle is crap. Constantly offside and not Championship quality. Need better.

Need people who can make a difference on loan. Kent would be less ideal than the more ambitious targets of Woodburn and Wilson on loan. Yes they will be harder deals to do but lets have some ambition. Reiss Nelson and Josh Sims are 2 other fast wide men that are highly rated if theyd be available.

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

we need a back up centre back not a first team choice one. People have asked for experience centre back and we been linked with one and people moaned. who are we expecting? 

we are after 4 more players in. expecting these to be 1 centre back, 1/2 wingers, 1 striker 

and?

why not trust the manager and stop pre judging players we haven't see play much like Downing was. He was written off by some when he signed here. 

Antonsson barley played since January and Chapman barely played more than a third of the season. and Armstrong replace Antonsson in January in the team. So its barely more 1 player tbh. 

I agree we need a winger or 2 but these have to be the right players. 

Mowbray has said he wants 4 more. 2 permanent and 2 loans signings. 

How many championship clubs have signed more than 2 players then?

Ive been saying this that the fee Charlton want is unacceptable and a joke tbh

I think we will sign a couple of players permanently for a million each

I've heard it almost agree between Dack and the club

I don't think we are after Maddison at all. just my opinion. 

Experience is not an only requirement. The player needs to be good enough too! Would we have Gordon Greer back? Wes Brown has experience? 

I personally dont think centre back is a priority. We are devoid of excitement and pace and have Mulgrew, Lenihan, Downing and worst case scenario Williams and Wharton there.

Can you please stop telling me to trust Mowbray, I never said I dont. And to expect people not to judge new signings. I like the sound of Davenport, I presume you dont like that as its pre judging a player? Being linked with a 31 year old relegated journeyman will cause questions. And stop going on about Downing! I gave you the Whittingham example, some people will exceed expectations, some will fail to meet them, but people naturally judge our potential new signings and can do so without you bleating on that they shouldnt.

Why is Charlton wanting a high fee for a key player unacceptable? If someone wanted Dack and we didnt sell him you wouldnt say what a joke that is or how unacceptable it is.

You had a few weeks of sensible posting leaving interesting debate and now I feel youre just trying to wind people up again.

Just now, neophox said:

Dack will Also sign a new deal soon! 4 year contract.

Also a couple of good signings ?

Wheres this from? And who are the signing? Or just a feeling?

15 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Thats what MK.dons said about Downing. And look how that turn out

That cant be the barometer for everything. He turned into a good squad player. Just as Whittingham was seen as too good for us and look how that turned out. Judge everything on its own merits.

A promoted squad tends to need to improve just to survive and then consolidate and prosper in the division above. First we need to at least match the quality of the squad we had last year. Davenport gives us more depth in central midfield so thats good. Youd probably say Rothwell is a replacement for Payne, on paper thats Oxfords star man for half of last season for someone who was in and out but at least hes ours to develop. So we still need to replace Armstrong, Chapman and Antonsson with at least equal quality. We lack excitement, flair and pace and its up to Mowbray to get that.

58 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

McFadzean played in 42 games last season and majority he was a starter in those games. so doesn't sound pass it to me doesn't? If you look at Burton manager comment about Burton transfer policy this summer is one player must leave before one can come in.

Look at who reported the story. wasn't just anyone but some one who worked at Rovers previously and still hold the club and fans in high regarded. don't see him reporting gossip. do you?

Also can you explained this comment "  Lets hope the signings we make are of a higher calibre than those linked" . like who are you expecting us to sign?

yes we do have money as we have signed 2 players for cash but no one did I say we had a war chest of money did I? can you prove I said this about us having a war chest

correct both Rothwell and Davenport will be 1st team squad. 

some people must have thought we were going to spend millions of pounds

 

On Smallwood, very pleased he signed a new contract and deserved after last season and his performances

"so doesn't sound pass it to me doesn't" - Chaddy can you please read what I put before misquoting me. Youve missed my point again, I was saying that in general, experience is not always necessarily advantageous, and gave 2 examples as to when that could be the case, in response to you saying "Experience centre back" 

I then clearly stated "I dont know if McFadzean falls into either of them categories" and showed that  even though his CV is underwhelming, ive not seen enough of him. I never said he is past it, I was replying to a comment that didnt directly related to McFadzean.

"Lets hope the signings we make are of a higher calibre than those linked" - Yep no problem, players like Harrison (a rumour that has been rubbished) dosent have the calibres to suggest that he would improve us, compared to Armstrong, Chapman and Payne who we have lost from last year. 31 year old relegated centre backs dont scream improvement either. Of course id back them and they may do well, but on the face of it, id hope that Mowbray signs players of a higher standard than the likes of those and I have faith that he will.

As you say, Rothwell and Davenport are in the first team squad. We need a few ready made starters, especially wide to improve the 11. Not back ups.

13 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Some on here writing players off without seeing them play, as usual. Did they not learn their lesson after Downing and others? 

As previously mentioned, what you are implying is people cannot make any judgements on potential signings unless they are positive, regardless of age, injury records, underwhelming career to date or whatever constructive points people are making. 

15 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Played 42 games at Championship level. Experience centre back. 

Who has ever mention us having a war chest? 

Mowbray outline his plans and how he would recruit this season. Maybe we saving our money for striker or pacey winger..

Experience isnt automatically a good thing. You can be experienced but too old and past your best (see Conway) or you can be experienced enough to have proven yourself as not good enough (for example, Lowe and Akpan have proven themselves to be not good enough for the Championship)

I dont know if McFadzean falls into either of them categories, he might have been Burtons best player, and even if he did join it would be as back up youd think.

Key word in all of that is maybe. Lets hope the signings we make are of a higher calibre than those linked. Im sure they will be. Probably agents putting their players names out to get them a club.

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

but we put a bid in for Bauer and all 3 reporters have confirmed this bid was put in. if you want I will find you the articles written by these reporters

I believe that they did, maybe its a case of chinese whispers. Not bothered really unless he signs.

Anyway, lets end this debate here. Very tedious haha.

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

rumours? the Bauer bid was reported by 3 different sources. so it isn't rumour but Fact unless you are calling all 3 liars? 

Rumour - a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth.

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

We bid for Bauer didn't we? reported by Nixon, Sharpe and the local Charlton reporter. 

We are interested in Chapman and Harrison. Local Bristol reporter said we are interested. Nixon confirm this also. It clear to me that we are after Chapman judging by Mowbray's comments

All rumours chaddy. Regurgitated by more than one reporter at times, but still rumours. I'll wait until they are shown with a Rovers shirt. You believe what you like.

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

I'm was talking about their squad now at Championship level. 

Yes he is an arrogant prick. cant stand him full time. 

Same squad. No obvious losses either like we have had with Armstrong etc heading back after their loans.

He is but hes good and thats all that matters. 

48 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Not in my opinion but hey ho, but we the really good up and coming players we have coming from under 21 level and under there is plenty of optimism and quality players coming there. Plus other players not picked. The next few years could be very good going forward. Southgate performed better than most people gave him and instead the fan base have really took to him and his manner with them

going 4-4-2 last night wasn't the answered but That's said the players will learnt from this experience and it will help them in the future. 

You can back a manager, you can rate him and still occasionally think that he gets things wrong, because he is human.

I think Southgate has done all the things you said, used young players, performed better than people expected, taken the fan base with him etc.

I also think he was slow in his subs, in particular in midfield, and out thought by the Croatian manager last night. But overall, impressed for sure.

If you cant make sensible constructive criticism, whether it be Mowbray or Southgate, 2 managers I am happy with, then it invalidates your stance because it shows that you can only accept the side of the argument that suits you.

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

haha. 

Arrogant guy who thinks he something special which he isn't. 

squad isn't that great tbh. 

He finished above us and above Mowbray with that squad "that isnt great." 

He is a bit of a prick but hes a good manager with a track record.

44 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Kent is still an option yet. Chapman aswell. Plus who knows. 

But lets see who we signed before passing such judgements

how? 

wasn't he right about Davenport signing here permanently. 

right about the Bauer, Chapman and Harrison links

Pleased Williams signed a new deal. 

Its leaves Bell and Williams fighting for the left back spot

How was he right about the Bauer, Chapman and Harrison links? None of them have signed?! 

Im not convinced he was the one who broke the Davenport story, think it was the guy from Sky Sports, but hes wrong far more than hes right.

Agree that we need to see who we sign. Rumours, Nixon ones included, are in the main, rubbish. All we can judge on is deals confirmed either way. 

20 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

My predictions are base on now and that's could change depending on what happens during the rest of the transfer window. 

I feel Pulis will have Boro up there in the top 2 and Stoke have a good squad but little unsure whether Rowett can take them up tbh. 

If WBA make the signings they are being linked with I can see them making playoffs at least. On Swansea. I  see that more of long term project of a couple of seasons before they challenge. maybe top 2 in season 19/20. lots of deadwood to clear out and signings to be made. 

Villa's chances are slim of promotion unless they keep some good players and who they buy. will Bruce stick around? I'm unsure. 

Leeds haven't back Bielsa so far. strange really. Also unsure on Karanka and whether he can get them promotion this season. 

I see QPR mid table tbh. good young players there with some experience. 

See Bolton staying up just again like last season. 21st. 

 

Wigan have no money atm and are just looking at loans and frees. The takeover still hasn't happen and I would be questioning why not yet. 

Agree on Boro being up there, wont be pretty but all that matters is results.

Villa have no chance, aging squad with Grealish soon to go according to Bruce. Clubs in chaos.

Swansea need to push to get back at the first attempt. Projects, whatever you call them, have to really try and get back at the first time of asking.

My questions of Forest arent of the manager, hes proven himself with a promotion before. Not 100% of the calibre of the new players, if they are like Neves, Costa, Jota. Boly etc, and they still have some players that arent good enough but I fancy them for the play offs.

QPR, not convinced they have the good young players to get them mid table? Plus managers a shocker, have to consider that.

Bolton have a diabolical squad, Madines goal spree before he left is what got them over the line, Lowe and Donaldson are poor signings, players unpaid, have to be favourites for the drop.

Think its impossible at this early stage to be making such firm predictions to be honest.

Looking at Rovers, the squad weve got now is considerably weaker than last seasons (no Armstrong, Chapman, Payne etc) but we will sign players so its a moot point. If we didnt wed probably go down. But we will.

Stoke obviously have a settled defence, an experienced manager, Afobes a good signing and Etebo looks a decent player, bit of a World Cup revelation, they dont have any flair or width once Shaqiri leaves so that needs sorting.

They look better than the other 2 relegated teams, Swansea havent done anything bar lose Fabianski and Ki, West Brom seem to have a team of wantaways, you can never be sure how Moore will do, can see the front 2 leaving, big pressure on Burke to step up.

The traditional big clubs are a mixed bag, can see Villa struggling badly, Leeds have done nothing to back Bielsa, Forest have done some very interesting work in the transfer market, trying to replicate Wolves, spent big on Carvalho and Grabban will get plenty of goals. Can see them troubling the play offs.

Norwich have lost their 2 stars but Marshall, Rhodes, Leitner, Passlack etc represents a mix of proven Championship quality and highly rated foreign players, they might do quite well.

Can see QPR struggling with no money and a terrible manager, maybe they will drop to League 1. Also think Bolton will drop, surprised you didnt mention them @chaddyrovers adding Jason Lowe might be the final nail to an abject squad.

 Ipswich will struggle but their managerial appointment is a shrewd one. Rotherham will struggle, think Wigan can stay up.

45 minutes ago, Biz said:

You telling me you know Mowbrays thoughts but you wouldn’t think he’d buy AA to play him out wide? 

You don’t half talk some absolute nonsense.

My main point was that Nixon is the one talking nonsense. These targets are probably a figment of his imagination.

I never said I know Mowbrays thoughts. I actually prefer Armstrong wide so if we signed him and played him there again id be very happy as long as we had a natural winger on the other side.

How is that nonsense?

44 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

He is ,but he is all we've got to go off at this point unfortunatley  

He also says we are in for someone who hasn't been mentioned. I wonder he doesn't just mention them as that is meant to be his job. 

If we sign Armstrong he will be played on the wing/as an inside forward like last season

An unnamed, unmentioned player?

Yeah, most likely, and considering his work there last season, correctly. 

1 minute ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Armstrong and Harrison? 

Armstrong is not really a winger, another one who "can play there" albeit id potentially say hes actually more effective there. Would love him to sign permanently.

Harrison is a striker isnt he?

Most importantly, the source is a bad one.

6 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Professional players who have all played 4-4-2 before, they should be able to adapt. It would have helped ye last night. Get Henderson and Delph in the middle to combat the Croatian control. Croatia were misplacing passes all over the place at times, they looked a busted flush. 

I just wonder about the fitness. Croatia looked the fresher in extra time. The English guys looked completely wrecked, same as the Colombia game. After playing less than the Croatians in the previous games. I thought that's where England would eventually win the game 

No way should we have changed formation. 

I do think we looked fresher but couldnt use it to our advantage. Should have used Delph as mentioned for Alli, that would have been my first sub.

No wingers that Mowbray perceives to be starting wingers, so lets hope Nixon is typically wrong.