Just now, RovingRover said:

Striker number 2 signing maybe? I wouldn't like this as our primary signing.

Armstrong and Gallagher wouldn't be awful.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/15680956.Tony_Mowbray_looking_to_overhaul_Rovers__scouting_and_recruitment_departments_and_awaits_the_green_light_from_Venky_s/

It would show that Mowbrays attempts to get the scouting system developed havent come off!

13 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Derby and Stoke after Wilson on loan

Was an example of how the World Cup does indirectly affect signings for Championship clubs.

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Blackburn Rovers after Southampton Sam Gallagher on loan.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/6780129/southampton-transfer-news-danny-ings-liverpool/

I would be very happy with this. Good player

9 minutes ago, AdamRochina said:

Sam Gallagher? Oh for god sake he isn't a very good player chaddy come off it .. he's average with potential to improve but he had a relegation with us and almost with Brum he barley set the world alite Thier either ..I would of wanted to look at someone better 

Agree totally. Lacks strength, doesnt score nearly enough goals, need better to avoid being right in the thick of the relegation trouble.

The source is a rubbish one so lets hope its not true. Nixons put a couple of teams in to increase his chances of stumbling across an accurate story.

I cant see Mowbray going back to Gallagher anyway, think its a lazy link.

38 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

I'm sure the world cup isn't slowing us down at all in regards to transfers, we aren't looking that high up the chain.

But there is a trickle down effect. For example, Liverpool have only just been able to wrap up the Shaqiri, which will allow them to allow Wilson out on loan.

12 minutes ago, AdamRochina said:

4th place it is then and I agree husky kane should of been off ages ago .. he's undropable cos he's the golden boy captain lol 

Belgium picked us off then 

Golden Boy Captain? Hes our sole world class player, proven to score goal after goal. 

Granted hes not look his self these last couple of games, but no way do you drop him. Maybe the injury he rushed back from at the end of the season has affected him?

6 minutes ago, AdamRochina said:

It's not though is it mate? Truthfully? We are a very slow pedastrian team .. we created nothing against Columbia and Croatia ..Sweden yes we were great .. but I think overall weve been very poor .. look at Japan against Belgium and then look at us today .  We are slow boring and uncreative and because we got to the semi final all the media and experts are sugar coating it all

You are using massive hyperbole and exaggeration by saying very poor. Even today we had a massive spell of pressure and should have scored. Japan did well v Belgium to an extent but they lost as well, so dont wax lyrical too much. Slow and pedestrian again is incorrect, we have I think the youngest team in the tournament with plenty of energy, its been know how and intelligence for me that weve at key moments lacked.

Rashford for me has had a particularly poor tournament whenever hes been given a chance. Those suggesting that Sterling should have been dropped for him seem ignorant to that.

14 minutes ago, AdamRochina said:

As proud as we can be about England we must be brutally Frank. 

We are poor .. really poor and have been extremely fortunate to get this far into the cup.. we don't create nothing from open play at all take the Panama game out and even sadia Arabia created more chances from open play then us.. we are near the bottom of that specific table 

Tunisia we started well but after it went 1-1 we barley created anything just had possession and took a set piece in the dying seconds to win.  Panama we dominated granted as they are a semi pro side. Then lost to Belgium reserved as we played ours

Then come the knock outs . We had the easiest route yes. But against Columbia we had one shot in 120 minutes of football and needed a penalty to score ..although even with that we were the better side and did deserve to go through .

Against Sweden this is the game I thought we were really good in and showed alot if promise..we were professional about the game and killed it off without having to create much 

Then come the game against Croatia and yet again a set piece goal and apart from that we created nothing for 120 minutes apart from Jones header off the line. They completely dominated us in midfield and shown up our weaknesses.

All in all I thought we were very fortunate to get to where we was in the cup as we barley had a creative force and relied heavily in set pieces or penaltys BUT it's a foundation to build on 

Whilst you are right about the draw, and the lack of chances in open play, to say we are "very poor" and "fortunate" (in anything bar the draw) is a big overreaction.

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

I am fully aware of the players we had mate. 

I am comfortable with either formation. 

Sorry but pre season is an indicative of how we will play formation wise, player positions, etc

“I am not looking at systems, I am just trying to get the players 45 minutes or an hour."

“I am just giving everybody game time, I am not looking at systems or thinking of playing a particular way."

Whose right, you or Mowbray?

Just now, AdamRochina said:

Would loaning Charlie musonda be out of our range? Don't know much about it like just remember him at Chelsea 

 

What about Joe Gomez from Liverpool loan. Cover RB and CB 

Mason holgate and Josh Sims another two might be available on loan 

Gomez and Holgate are in their respective first teams.

Just now, bluebruce said:

I'm sorry Chaddy, I don't know you so I don't consider it 'personal'. It's not like I said you're ugly or something. But it is seriously frustrating, when probably about 10% of this thread is you, to continually see you ignore, misunderstand, misquote, or take the wrong way the comments of umpteen different posters. As well as seeing you repeat the same thing a ton of times. People have repeatedly tried to point all of this out - some politely, some impolitely - and yet you just don't seem to digest it. I'm sorry but it gets very frustrating to read. And I don't want to feel like I shouldn't read anything you post, as you do post decent stuff sometimes. You're clearly a very passionate Rovers fan who watches a lot of football, knows about a lot of non-Rovers players, and keeps an ear to the ground for rumours. I just wish you'd comprehend what people are saying better. Maybe try posting less, but reading and thinking more.

If you want to take that personally, that's up to you. But I'm not here to pick fights, just getting tired and frustrated from seeing the same patterns all the time.

Very good post, perfectly put.

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

what an over reacted by you in the last comment. 

we need 4/5 centre backs if we are going to play 3 at the back. Unsure if Wharton is good enough. Plus injuries will happen aswell.

No I don't know much about McFadzean but I have look into his stats from last season and he played 44 games last season in the league with most of them as a starter.  Downing or Smallwood didn't have an impressive CV before he came here both played very well last season whilst we were impressive with Whittingham signing and look at how he played last season. disappointing in the main. 

lets see if we sign him firstly. 

 

We played it for half of a pre season friendly so therefore we should build our squad for that formation?

I hate the idea of us playing a formation that failed in the past but cant be bothered having thag debate.

But surely if you want to play 3 at the back. Youd want to sign a starting centre back! A good quality one to improve us. Not a back up. Makes no sense.

Just now, islander200 said:

I get what your saying Roversfan but I can understand where Angry_pirate is coming from.

When posters are saying that Nyambe was targetted all last season and he didn't have a good season it gets on my wick too as it is just not true.

It leads me to believe no matter what he does he will still get criticised by some which I just do not understand

It was a massive overreaction by him. To question whether some people are fans because they dont rate a player is out of order. Its an internet messageboard, people have different opinions on individual things, its not a lack of support.

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

 

ok I accept your point but I would be happy with Both of them. 

I think Rothwell and Whittingham played well today in second half. 

It appears from fans who attended the Port Vale game that Davenport and Travis impressed again

You think they played well? You wasnt there?!

9 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I am fully aware of the players we had mate. 

I am comfortable with either formation. 

Sorry but pre season is an indicative of how we will play formation wise, player positions, etc

You are comfortable with absolutely whatever is chosen. Raya up front, Graham in net, Dack left wing back.

Just now, Angry_Pirate said:

Like it or not, Nyambe is OUR best "natural" right back since Salgado... 6 and a half seasons.

Seriously look at some of the tripe full backs we've had since... Orr, Kane, Henley, Caddis. We've had to play midelfielders there most of that time in Marshall, Bennett, Lowe. I would say only Alex Baptiste was impressive during his loan.

I'm more than happy with Nyambe playing at RB next season and beyond hopefully as i see him developing much more.

Cant wait for the day when the same people on here are slagging off his loyalty when he's linked to a currently higher ranked team when all a lot of "fans" do is criticise him since his debut at 17. The lad isn't even 21 years old.

Can we support and encourage the likes of Raya and Nyambe instead of criticism please.

We need wingers and strikers.

Oh give over.

People are debating about whether we need competition for him whilst in the main acknowledging his obvious improvement. All on a forum. If you think that is not showing support then you are talking shite.

The argument "show them some support" or "stop being negative" is one whereby a reasoned and constructive argument is lacking. Some people want this messageboard to basically be one where no healthy discussion can be made, only.a soundboard for how great everything is.

Nyambe has grow on me, im glad we have him but I feel that we are lighter at right back than we are at centre back.

(And for the record, being better than Orr, Henley, Kane and Caddis is not the sort of benchmark I want to be using)

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

when you mean nobody else, do you mean signing wise or wide signing wise? 

striker wise I would be looking at Sam Winnall(linked with Sheff Utd recently), Sam Gallagher, Tom Bradshaw, Ivan Toney, Adam Armstrong
 

I understood your points fine thanks. What are you expecting as 4th choice centre back?

Do you even know much about Kyle McFadzean or what type of season he had last season? if you don't how can you even make an assessment?  

I feel Bennett is very decent at right back/wing back and that's where I see him playing. Centre midfield wise we have enough there. We got Smallwood, Davenport, Evans, Whittingham, Travis, Rothwell. We have enough there. For me, we don't need a right back. 

I don't worry because we will sign players and maybe I a lot of faith in Mowbray and the way he doesn't rush into making decision or rash choices and process he thinks about things. I don't understand why people are even negative at this stage of the season for. doesn't make sense to me at all. 

no-one is blinkered at all but different people look at things very differently. 

Why are we signing a 4th choice centre back?! (If we are) we need players to push the first team and to improve us. Not players further down the pecking order than Downing is. If thats your only argument lets re sign Elliott Ward, shall we? 

Ive never made an assessment about McFadzean!!! In fact I went out of my way to say I wasnt. I dont know enough about him, from the sound of it, neither do you. Just that hes a 31 year old relegated centre back with an underwhelming CV. Your staunch defence of him is bizarre.

No chaddy, most people are balanced. If we look to sign good players, people are happy, bad players, people will question. Armstrong, people have seen him do well for us, positivity. 31 year old Burton centre backs, people will be more inquisitive. Everyone knows if we signed a 50 year old youd still be happy and telling people to stop moaning. 

38 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I think we are better set up to play 3 at the back this season. Bennett and Bell as wing backs. Smallwood and Davenport in middle with Dack in hole with either 1 or 2 strikers in front. 

second half we are playing 4-1-4-1 with Davenport in front of the back 4. 

so its seems Mowbray will use back systems this season. 

We had all of them players bar Davenport last season, and he you would think would be good alongside Smallwood in a 4-2-3-1.

Dack was so ineffective when we played 3 at the back, we was slow, we was laborious, we were at our best when we played 4-2-3-1 and an aggressive press.

Pre season is rarely indicative of anything other than fitness.

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Firstly, sorry for missing your reply to me. 

I would be looking to sign Chapman(who could be cheap) and then loan Kent so we have 2 wingers there that allow us to play 4-2-3-1 if Mowbray wants. 

But I would be looking to spend the most of the budget on a striker. who I don't know tbh. 

Some people have been asking for experience centre back to be sign and now we being linked with one and still people moan. that's my point

I haven't turn my nose up at Maddison, I just think the fee is too much for our budget and Peterborough want it all up front. I would be looking to spend of my budget on a striker. Unlikely Graham will be fit all season. So we need a striker. On Kent he has played a full season at this level and he has played under Mowbray at Coventry

I haven't seen Davenport played and all I know is he was on loan at Burton last season and from reports he performed. supposedly he has played well today according to Rovers twitter account. 

not been in either match day squad so far

no need for the personal attack at all. its a great shame that's your attitude. 

He didn't play the last 6 games as he wasn't selected. 4 times on the bench where he didn't come on. Started 6 games were he got 2 assists and come off the bench in 4 games. 

why do we need a right back when Bennett has played right back/wing back in both games so far. 

You arent listening to my point, either that or you are arent understanding it.

"Some people have been asking for experience centre back to be sign and now we being linked with one and still people moan. that's my point"

Experience is not the only requirement! If we re-signed Elliott Ward, would you say the same thing? I cant believe you dont understand it. People want us to sign a pacy winger, Liam Feeney fits that criteria, but we dont want him back either because hes shit. People have mentioned a target man, if we went and signed Akinfenwa, people would complain because again, hes not good enough. It goes without saying that part of the requirement of these targets is to actually be good enough! I cant believe that even needs saying. 

(and im not saying, before you again misquote me, that McFadzean is or isnt good enough, but I can understand people questioning his track record)

"why do we need a right back when Bennett has played right back/wing back in both games so far. " - Because Bennett is not a natural right back, and will undoubtedly be needed in midfield more often than not. We have Mulgrew, Lenihan, Downing and if we had 2 injuries, Williams to play in 2 spots at centre back. I feel we have at least a semblence of cover there. At right back, we have Nyambe who isnt unfamiliar with drastic losses of form, and then after that Bennett who is a midfielder. You are only in agreement because according to media tittle tattle, we do want a centre back and not a right back, so you feel the need to say that its exactly what you would do too.

Your problem chaddy, is that you are so blinkered, so defensive, that you refuse to even acknowledge any potential negative aspects or worries, and you are insistent on ensuring that no one else can point out valid points. And if they dont agree, you spit your dummy out and tell them to stop moaning and have faith in Mowbray, which is totally irrelevant.

I am a season ticket holder and I did think Nyambe was much improved in the main last season, albeit he still doesnt know how to put in a good cross.

That said, we definitely could do with another proper right back, and I find it strange that we seem to be targeting a centre back, when we are far more covered there than at right back.

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

I would hope that Raya and Nyambe would be starters when the proper action gets underway, otherwise I'd say that bench looks extremely thin indeed and highlights the need for quality reinforcements.

Nyambe only if this 3 at the back crap is dropped.

That line up is frightening, in terms of the lack of attacking threat in the squad.

I hope the formation is just to give everyone a game, not too concerned about the result or performance in a friendly but the lack of attacking quality is stark.

7 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Did i say this? 

Not directly. But you said about McFadzean, hes experienced, so "what more do people want."

Maddison, you turned your nose up but hes very similar to Dack. One of the proven very best players at League 1. Thus both youd think could handle the step up. Whereas Kent, presumably because you think its more likely, youve defended despite very limited success in his spells in the Championship.

Davenport and in particular Rothwell, if you was consistent in your posts, youd have flagged up a lack of Championship experience on their part. Obviously you havent as you are totally blindsided to anything like that. 

And to clarify, im not doubting Mowbray, im not being negative, this post is aimed at your flawed logic and not at Mowbray.

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Kent has skills and tricky plus has championship experience in the past. He impress me when he played against Rovers twice in the season 16/17 for Barnsley

Maddison hasn't got the championship experience and can I say for the record I have never post that I don't like him. so that's is incorrect information. 

If we did sign Maddison I wouldn't be unhappy at all but could he step up and the for the money we would be paying we would need him to

Youre putting too much importance on experience within the division, yet dont care that our new signings have less than 20 games at this level between them? 

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

I think Fisher is good enough. 

If he was looking at keeper why not look at Boaz Myhill who is experience 35 years old keeper and is without a club aswell

how do you know he isn't good enough if you haven't seen the player? 

I haven't seen Davenport play live. looking forward to seeing him against Liverpool on Thursday. I have read and watch some videos of him. Like what Ive seen but want to see him live 1st. 

Dack is on a longer contract first and doesn't have 12 months left on his contract. 

I don't come on here to wind anyone up. I am here talking Rovers and football. so please stop lying and making things up. I will say this once more I am here to talk Rovers and football topics not personal topics. I don't come on here to wind anyone up. 

6 goals in 24 championship games. 

why would Kent be less than ideal? played Championship before and he got good reviews during his spell at Barnsley 

have Nelson or Sims ever play at this level? 

I would prefer Kent over Maddison

Thanks for that info. 

 

I would have no problem with us having 2 loan players out of our 6 summer signings. I don't see what your problem is with that

no chance of Wilson or Woodburn coming us. Not saying I would like them but realistic I don't see them coming here. 

decent shout. linked with Milwall and from what Ive read he is close to joining them

I don't see us paying 2.5 million pounds up front. do you?

most BS there REV

Maybe you arent trying to wind people up and are just not reading my posts properly.

I never said he isnt good enough! My main point is, "trust Mowbray" or "dont judge players before they sign" are not at all valid arguments. People are making judgements and are understandably skeptical about a 31 year old relegated journeyman. Just as they are excited about a player whose signed who was highly rated at city and did well last year. People will make judgements, some positive, some negative, deal with it.

Still Charltons perogative to want as much as they see fit for a key player under contract. If someone bid 100k for Mulgrew and we said no would that also be out of order?

Never said Kent is less than ideal. I said less ideal than Wilson who did so well at Hull and Woodburn who has looked quality when i have seen him both for club and country. Both players are linked with similar sized clubs so id like to see us also at least try for them rather than settle for someone due to a lack of interest elsewhere.

Thats not a good goal record.

Just now, neophox said:

Khazri is a player at Sunderland I think we were linked with a long time ago.. he would be a really good addition to any champ side..

Not a chance that he will join a Championship club. Big ego, talented player who will go to France.

Just now, islander200 said:

I'd definitely take Maddison before Kent. But I have seen Kent a few times and there is a player in there and we may have a better chance of signing him on a perm,Woodburn and Wilson we wouldn't have a chance of signing permanently and Wilson has an awful lot of clubs after him on loan I'd say it would be hard for us to get him

Agreed on Wilson and Woodburn being more difficult to sign as they are highly thought of but id like us to show a bit of ambition and make a push for both. Some of the clubs linked include the likes of Sheffield United so i dont think they are necessarily unobtainable. Youre right though, no chance of a permanent deal.

Just now, yeti-dog said:

I'd prefer Maddison to Kent.

100% agree. Proven to create goals regularly.

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

who says these will be Premier League youngsters? 

it could be Adam Armstrong and Ryan Kent who have experience at this level. or possible Cardiff City Striker Omar Bogle who I would suggest is within our budget so could be permanent signing and someone I wouldn't be against it. 

 

Bogle is crap. Constantly offside and not Championship quality. Need better.

Need people who can make a difference on loan. Kent would be less ideal than the more ambitious targets of Woodburn and Wilson on loan. Yes they will be harder deals to do but lets have some ambition. Reiss Nelson and Josh Sims are 2 other fast wide men that are highly rated if theyd be available.

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

we need a back up centre back not a first team choice one. People have asked for experience centre back and we been linked with one and people moaned. who are we expecting? 

we are after 4 more players in. expecting these to be 1 centre back, 1/2 wingers, 1 striker 

and?

why not trust the manager and stop pre judging players we haven't see play much like Downing was. He was written off by some when he signed here. 

Antonsson barley played since January and Chapman barely played more than a third of the season. and Armstrong replace Antonsson in January in the team. So its barely more 1 player tbh. 

I agree we need a winger or 2 but these have to be the right players. 

Mowbray has said he wants 4 more. 2 permanent and 2 loans signings. 

How many championship clubs have signed more than 2 players then?

Ive been saying this that the fee Charlton want is unacceptable and a joke tbh

I think we will sign a couple of players permanently for a million each

I've heard it almost agree between Dack and the club

I don't think we are after Maddison at all. just my opinion. 

Experience is not an only requirement. The player needs to be good enough too! Would we have Gordon Greer back? Wes Brown has experience? 

I personally dont think centre back is a priority. We are devoid of excitement and pace and have Mulgrew, Lenihan, Downing and worst case scenario Williams and Wharton there.

Can you please stop telling me to trust Mowbray, I never said I dont. And to expect people not to judge new signings. I like the sound of Davenport, I presume you dont like that as its pre judging a player? Being linked with a 31 year old relegated journeyman will cause questions. And stop going on about Downing! I gave you the Whittingham example, some people will exceed expectations, some will fail to meet them, but people naturally judge our potential new signings and can do so without you bleating on that they shouldnt.

Why is Charlton wanting a high fee for a key player unacceptable? If someone wanted Dack and we didnt sell him you wouldnt say what a joke that is or how unacceptable it is.

You had a few weeks of sensible posting leaving interesting debate and now I feel youre just trying to wind people up again.