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7 minutes ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said:

And who would you have played at left back ?

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

So who would you play at left back and centre midfielder then if Rankin Costello and Evans shouldnt play those roles? 

Considering the players we have unavailable at the minute

The left back choice was admittedly very limited today, the only real alternative was Williams LB, Wharton CB. My point regarding the full backs was regarding the choice prior to today to at times choose Rankin Costello or indeed Bennett over Nyambe at full back.

If there was little choice but to play Evans, firstly that would add further questions over the signing of Davenport, who Mowbray paid money for and hasnt started in 2 and a half years now. 2 options, play Buckley there, who I question the readiness of, or play Evans but in a midfield 2. The 4-3-3 shouldnt be above reproach, the results show that, and Evans is very limited, so have him and Trybull sitting deep and allow Holtby more scope to go forward perhaps.

I think we should have signed Downing early in the summer who would have been a better option in either position. But of course that wasnt a choice today.

All in all, the full back issue was one relating more to games prior to today, and the Evans point was more a shape issue, and again not really key to the overall points I was making.

14 minutes ago, Paul Mellelieu said:

My view has been/is to give Tony this season and then assess.

I never really understand people giving such specific and definitive time frames to be judged upon.

Firstly, what are the expectations in terms of decision making come next summer? Is it promotion or sacked, top 6 or sacked, is it more flexible, is 10th ok if we suffer too much from injuries or the style looks nice, how does it work?

Secondly, does it not at all depend on progress within that? If we lose our next 6, if we pick up 2 points from our next 8 games, if we are in the bottom 3 come new year, if we sit 18th at christmas, if the "nice football" stops yet the results stay poor between, is it still stick until the summer regardless? Surely there is a point in which it becomes untenable before?

Just now, Tormund said:

JRC isn’t a defender that’s the problem. Play players in their best position might help.

Totally agree.

A Birmingham fan and junior journalist has assured us however that we should just give the manager a free pass for the time being.

Every team at the moment has absentees, its not an excuse.

The manager needs time, hes only had is it 4 years? So could do with a few more months and on the off chance that every single player is available at some point, which rarely happens to anyone.

Absolute shite, anyone banging on about possession, "playing well", attacking football etc after the first time or two against decent opposition and going down the hard done by route has clearly awoken to the managers inability to get results against these teams.

Pears looks shite, a little boy lost and for me his positioning for both goals was poor. How on earth does Rankin Costello sometimes play over Nyambe, the latter was our best player, Rankin Costello simply cannot defend as we saw for the second goal following a woeful defensive display midweek, he should never play that role other than in an emergency, but it seems that Mowbray is deluding himself into thinking that we are the Championship Liverpool. Williams as ever is not someone you want in the trenches, Lenihan is but hes all over the place at the moment.

Trybull read danger a few times well and is neat and tidy, although very immobile and you can see why he was never a guaranteed starter at Norwich. Evans again was stupidly played in an alien role, he was neat and tidy and didnt do much wrong but to be honest didnt do much at all. Not sure what to make about Holtby, he is technically very good, loves a nutmeg, does he do enough overall? Not sure he does.

Up front, no surprise that we are solely reliant on Armstrong to score all of our goals. He clearly was injured throughout the game but had to stay on otherwise any goal threat went, he missed chances and is not the most prolific finisher but he gets the goals, no questions there, where else do the goals come from? Brereton resorting to bumbling fool, every touch all over the place and zero goal threat, hes got his seasonal goal now so thats him done. Elliott had his quietest game too. The Gallagher on the wing shite made another ugly appearance too.

Manager is massively at fault which I will mention in his thread. Stagnation is the best word.

Shite yet again, although the commentators keen to repeatedly point out how great weve been.

Take Armstrong off before he does serious damage. Sadly our sole goal threat rests with him though.

Evans should be asked to sit with Trybull and give more solidity, play him where he has been playing and he will not do anything.

He shouldnt be playing but we dont have much depth there, the alternatives are Buckley and Davenport who arent very convincing either. We should have signed Downing at the start of the summer.

Have to win today, weve had a crap start and cant feel sorry for ourselves, there is plenty of senior experience there to get a result.

16 minutes ago, rovers11 said:

I see where you're coming from but there are always one or two surprise teams every year and Reading will prob be one of those. Once they get a few injuries, they will start to struggle a bit but top 6 is a realistic possibility for them if their best players stay fit for most of the season. 

You don't expect Nottingham Forest and Cardiff to be around the top 6 because they are currently sitting in lowly positions after 8 games? That's just nonsensical imo. 

I never said that, it just seems illogical to consider teams fancied in pre season "underachieving" and teams not fancied "overachieving" both as top 6 rivals seems a bit contradictory.

7 minutes ago, rovers11 said:

Less than 10 games gone!! They will both be up there come the end of the season. 

Man City are 13th and Man Utd are 15th but both will be top 6 come the end of the season. 

But if that is the case, Reading surely arent? Not sure its fair to class games as "top 6 contenders" for both those not expected to challenge but currently in the top 6, as well as teams that are struggling but were predicted to do well. We faced Forest when they were pointless, not sure that can be classed as a defeat v a contender!

17 minutes ago, rovers11 said:

Really tough game tomorrow. I really rate Swansea and think they'll be top 6 this season. It feels like we're playing a lot of the top 6 contenders at the moment - Bournemouth, Watford, Notts Forest, Cardiff, Reading, now Swansea and then Boro. We've come up short in all of these games so far. 

Reading was by far our worst game of the season and was a real reality check. We need a win tomorrow to get us believing again. It feels all too familiar at the moment despite a good transfer window. 

I think it will end up being a draw. Nyambe will come back in and JRC will probably replace Evans in midfield if Rothwell isn't fit. We need some legs and energy in midfield and JRC would offer that. 

Notts Forest are in 21st and Cardiff are in 14th. Not sure that they can be classified as contenders. 

I do find this very strange. Not an innocent young Birmingham fan and recent junior journalist asking the question on the back of a decent window on paper but one in which we (understandably) didnt actually spend much at all. But the replies. I still cant grasp that not being out of business is reason to be thankful, the lowest of expectations.

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18833297.no-lasting-defensive-tactical-concerns-rovers-boss/

Seems that Mowbray is naive to the vulnerability we currently have against anyone half decent on the counter attack. He doesnt think it is anything that he has done.

Play with 2 full backs as wingers and 2 of 3 central midfielders high up in the current manner and we will keep conceding against half decent sides. 

10 hours ago, SoldierMo said:

I would start making a move for Preston’s pearson who is out of contract next season just what we need

No chance that Pearson comes here sadly, unless we somehow got promoted.

Too much can be made of the formation, even within a 433 both full backs dont have to play so high.

People often mention a midfield with Holtby and Rothwell in it, it doesnt leave much defensive protection.

Ultimately all a 4231 does is flip the midfield around.

25 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

We do have the players to do against teams who are top end of the league and playing well, creating chances against them like Reading and Watford. We lost to Reading cos a mistake by Douglas, Lenihan going missing at times leaving a huge gap in our defence

I wouldn't be compromise as it suits our players so why change? 

We are playing 4-3-3 formation very different from last season so I don't count last season results. Holtby playing deeper, Armstrong in the 9 role scoring 9 goals in 8 league games, Brereton performing from the left of their 3 man front line

Because it clearly doesnt hence the poor start in terms of results, or at least it hasnt done to date.

I think its all about perception. If a manager isnt getting adequate results but hes trying to attack, people tend to give them more patience because they think it seems like its about to all fall into place. Im not convinced it will, not without some serious tweaks.

We need to compromise because everytime we have played a decent team we have come up short especially in terms of vulnerability to counter attacks. A lot of the time we only have the 2 centre backs and the holding midfielder against counter attacks. I would consider switching the midfield back to 4231, that way we have 2 holding midfielders in case of a counter attack. We can still press with the 4 attacking players but we can have more confidence in the lesser risk of being open on the break. The positioning of the full backs also needs to adjust, having them both as wingers leaves us open, if one goes forward the other should stay at home.

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I would keep the 4-3-3 as I believe its the way we should be playing with our current squad and suited them

Very disappointed to hear that Kaminsko, Ayala and Rothwell wont be available

my team 

                     Pears

Nyambe Lenihan Williams Douglas

          JRC  Trybull Holtby

      Elliott  Armstrong Brereton

I will go for 2-1 Rovers win with Armstrong scoring

Im not necessarily saying that we should abandon it right now but when does the point come when we have to compromise and not play so expansively when we dont have the players to do it against anyone half decent? Essentially just leaves the sitter and the 2 centre backs to fend for themselves. 

Just now, unleaded said:

Blame the manager for keeping him in the lineup even when he’s crap .. which he is Terrible player and even worse as the captain .... Shambles 

For a bit of context, he missed 9 games last season in which we lost 6, drew 2 and won only 1, conceding 18 goals. 

Hes undoubtedly had a couple of poor games this season but he certainly isnt a "terrible player." He needs to accept some personal realsponsibility for his form as does the manager for playing a style of play which exposes the centre backs v better teams.

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18831726.rovers-duo-self-isolating-mowbray-delivers-team-news-update/

Not good news on the injury front, we do seem to tend to have a lot of doubts for one game who tend to then be unavailable for much longer, Ayala and Kaminski still out.

Nyambe for Rankin Costello would be a definite change, sadly I am not sure what other changes we could make.

In midfield, I suppose Rankin Costello could move there at the expense of Evans, but I would be tempted to play Evans and Trybull together a bit deeper in more of a 4-2-3-1, we still have Holtby, Brereton, Elliott and Armstrong in attack and it gives us a bit more stability and protection in front of the defence.

Lenihan has not had the best start to the season but I think on Tuesday Williams was just as bad if not even worse than Lenihan.

The thing with Lenihan is that he is one of very few players whose importance to us since we got promoted is absolutely unquestionable. The points accumulated with him compared to without him is stark, I would suggest that in those 2 years, he was the only proper leader back there who could deal with the physical side of things, Rodwell, a past his best Mulgrew, Adarabioyo and Williams all struggled with that side of the game. I remember when Lenihan missed a few games culminating in Preston away last year and there was a void of leadership and desperation to keep the ball out and we just imploded. Maybe with Ayala here who is also a leader who wins the ball in the air, that Lenihan's availability and selection might not be quite as important, but I still think that those 2 are our best 2 centre backs and that calls in the LT to suggest that Williams could be first choice of the 3 are premature.

Williams has proven that he can be a capable short term stand in when played alongside Lenihan but over the course of time I am not sure he has the quality. 

Lenihan does undoubtedly need to improve his poor form and he never has been perfect, he does have that tendency to be rash and he isnt the best on the ball (none of our 3 centre backs are) but the manager also needs to look at reducing the exposure to the centre backs, especially against half decent sides. Is a side with 2 of 3 central midfielders and both full backs constantly playing really high sustainable in terms of keeping clean sheets? Possibly not.

Very much so. The narrative is that we have struggled with unavailability which you can not argue but it is common across the league, so we cant feel too hard done by.

2 hours ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Ah, so Coyle is the only manager Gally could do well under? Even though we score more goals now, are just as attacking,  and have people out wide (Douglas, Elliot, JRC) who can cross a ball? I'm not sure your assumptions stand up to scrutiny.

I never said that, but it is being made out as if that time under Coyle (in which he scored 1 in 4 across the season, its very respectable but its nothing amazing) was a time in which his potential was limited. That was the best spell of his career. If he had then gone to Birmingham and scored more or even the same, then maybe there would be some merit to the point, but I cant see where he has shown enough to suggest that he could get 15 goals+.

I certainly wouldnt be changing the attack round, we have a striker who is the top scorer and the attacking side of things is working. Gallagher should just be second choice striker and only ever considered for that position, whether it be with Armstrong when we need a goal or in his absence.

3 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

He got 12 in a shit team under a shit manager so it's hardly a 'big assumption'

I dont agree that playing under Coyle hindered him. It hindered Rovers, but not Gallagher personally, it benefitted him.

Had he bettered that goal tally since or even come close, then maybe there would be an argument that having Coyle as his manager was a hindrance.

Just now, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

That's a fairly meaningless statement. If he was given a full season up front in a team that plays to his strengths he might get 15 goals. Last season that would have made him joint top scorer (ish) in our team that finished top half.

He might do, but I think thats a big assumption and not something that correlates with the Sam Gallagher that I have seen, in my opinion.