9 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I mostly agree there, I wouldn't be more money and I more inclined to offer more incentives based contract 

How much training does Graham do and is he fitness/dieting going to be good enough? 

not sure I would give him 2 years deal at this stage

All depends on the wage per week and whether you offer him incentives based contract for 12 months with if he appears in more than 30 games he get a new contract on the same terms for another 12 months

 

Moore could be target if Graham doesn't sign here a new contract. Other striker targets IMO could be Adam Armstrong, Sam Winnall, Ivan Toney, 

Lansbury on 40k a week and most likely transfer fee of 5 mil plus? can we really afford it? please be realistic

Surely Mowbray will be looking to replace Graham within the next season or 2 anyway with a new target man type. 

depends on how much Graham wages and whether we see it has value for money?

surely we shouldn't be held to ransom for a player who will be 33 years old in August and I suspect this season he wont be starting every game and is he really worth a new contract back on his previous Championship wages(if that's the wage he after)?

Its all gossip and rumour chaddy. The wages hes on, the wages he wants, the length of deal he wants, the offers he has elsewhere. Not one to pay too much information to any rumours. All I know is I want to see one of our best players, Danny Graham, at the club next season and will be dissapointed if hes not. The reasons why are total guesswork.

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Really impress by Rashford, Rose and Delph.

Rose has good forward all game. Best England left back in country by miles. 

Rashford looks threating at every opportunity. So skilful

Delph has played well by getting forward. Positional good 

Agreed. Rashford brimming with confidence, still behind Sterling but a great option, Delph is technically very good too, for me he should play alongside Henderson in the tougher games, and the wing backs have been fine. Henderson has been excellent too, some of his crisp passes forward have been key and his positional sense and leadership make him so much better than Eric Dier.

Loftus Cheek has not done anything, not convinced by his presence in the squad, hes too lethargic, and Vardy has not been involved and missed his chance.

I dont understand why we didnt just activate his year extension as mentioned above.

Id be incredibly frustrated if our summer business started off with Graham leaving and Conway staying, that is for sure.

Just now, J*B said:

We will see, I was told he had Championship offers of a 2 year contract and is getting pissed off that Rovers haven't matched it yet. Hadn't heard anything about Bolton but it would coincide. At that age footballers are happy to have less weekly for a longer commitment. 

Wheres this from?

Just now, Sparks Rover said:

Nah he's not championship level. One injury and Charlie and Darragh do get injured. I'd like to see better quality than Tony's mate's lad.

Ethan Ampadu on loan as back up 

Why would Chelsea loan him out to be back up?

2 hours ago, unsall said:

Believe Bolton talking to Danny Graham,and offering more money than Rovers,he’s waiting for Rovers to up their offer.

Wheres this from? Hope not.

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

I was wrong so my apologises @roversfan99. 

This is what you said on the Smallwood signing

"People are alllowed to question some of Mowbrays decisions, hes not the untouchable you seem to make up. To be fair Whittingham is a good signing, and Smallwood im content with as back up for Evans, but if people question it you cant tell them to "give it a rest lad."

 

 

Yes I did but he proved me wrong

Yes I was wrong about Gladwin. Still feel there is a player in there but feel like he will reach the highs he should have done

I think that passage is referring to Gladwin, rather than Smallwood.

Still the same message though haha, you can offer criticisms of a potential signing.

Youve proved based on my Whittingham analysis that I dont know what im talking about...

Thanks for the apology but no need.

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Players are saleable if managers and clubs want them. 

Every players have a price

Big if. 

8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Sure? You deffo complain about his signing whilst I said lets give a chance 1st. 

Have I said you to agree with every signing? 

You said I wrongly "wrote Smallwood off" (I dont think I ever wrote him off, maybe youve got me mixed up?) implying that me stating my valid doubts about Rothwell was me writing off him too, rather than judging him if he came to us.

Id like to see us sign a higher calibre than an Oxford player who has struggled to maintain a place there for whatever reason. If he came Id obviously wait to judge him.

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

I would take Lansbury and Hogan here for sure. We should Hogan before he went to Brentford. 

That wasnt the point you was making.

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Most players have injuries. Even Dack do. 

Didnt you write off Smallwood last summer instead of judging him in Rovers shirt were he had a good season

I dont think I did write off Smallwood, no.

Im making a comment about whether I would want a player to be signed, I can do that without getting all the "judge him in a Rovers shirt" rubbish, Im not saying I wouldnt but not every signing has to be one that people fully agree with. 

If we signed a 40 year old from non league, would you still make these comments?

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

Would you have said the same thing about Gillingham last summer? 

Dack was their star player, had won player of the year, been linked with Prem and Championship clubs and the fans seemed unanimous on him being an excellent player.

I'm not dismissing him because of his team, ive even suggested players at smaller clubs (Adelakun and Maddison for example), im dismissing him because the fans seem split on him, hes not a regular and he has injuries.

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Hogan, Lansbury, Kodija, Taylor. 

Why would Big Sam take over at Villa when they no money to spend, having to develop youth players and club going one way. Down..

Not perfect for Sam. From his comments in the past year sounds fed up keep doing the same job time after time. Probably why the Everton appeal to him, challenge for top 6 this season but was sacked recently

Taylor, the same player who has at times struggled with injuries, and even when not, hes failed to dislodge an out of position and at one point unwanted Alan Hutton?

Lansbury, who is again nowhere near the first team?

Kodija whose spent most of the season injured?

Hogan, who has badly struggled for goals and as a result, starts?

Form an orderly queue.

Not sure players in and out of the Oxford team are what we need to improve.

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

The situation at Villa sounds really bad. CEO suspended, looking like they need to raise between 40 to 70 million pounds in players sales to meet FFP rules. 

Will Bruce be staying if they are massive cutbacks? Expect him to walk away. Then what next? Any good manager wont go there. Wouldnt surprise if someone like Kevin McDonald was appointed. Think he still there as head of development. So someone who would play the youth. Seems that going to Villa way bring through the youth cos any players worth money will be sold. 

No loans players will be coming back next season. 

What the hell has gone on Villa within the last 2 seasons and since this new owner came in. 

Risk hasnt paid off and they are left with a massive wage bill, ageing squad which Bruce has helped to build and you mention how much they need to raise, whose sellable bar Grealish?

Regardless, the size of the club means they can do a lot better than McDonald. Could be a good job for Big Sam.

Apologies if already said but may I ask what has brought you to this Rovers messageboard @Dryhorse ?

Are you a Rovers fan? Or have a liking for Rovers?

Not having a go by the way, genuinely dont know.

Dont get the need to state every top player left at home shows how weak England are.

You look at the quality of our attack, Kane, Sterling, Lingard, Alli, all key players for top 4 clubs, Vardy scoring 20 goals as a sub, thats not the issue or the reason we may come unstuck, plus ive got no idea how Sane isnt in the Germany squad anyway, for the same reasons as @benhben has said.

21 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

But Heckingbottom wasn't a poor choice tho. He done excellent at Barnsley. 

Watford and Chelsea might will have successful but look at other clubs who havent like Swansea, Leeds, Birmingham, etc. 

I believe in given a manager a proper chance and time. You appoint a manager for a reason so why backtrack so quickly. Unless it was a mess and you are in bottom 3 and manager who record is awful or things are well behind the scenes like De Boer at Palace or Coyle here or Coleman/Grayson at Sunderland. 

Leeds hire and fire policies over the last few years have achieve nothing but disappointment and failure to make the playoffs. 

I have nothing against foriegn managers at all but I prefer an British manager. I know if Mowbray was to leave tomorrow I know who my 3 choices shortlist would be. No foriegn manager would be on that list. Just for record I hope Mowbray doesnt anywhere for a number of years to come

There are hypocrisy, inconsistencies and holes throughout your arguments.

I never said Heckingbottom was a poor choice in terms of his previous job, but in hindsight he was for Leeds because his results were really poor at Leeds. That would be like saying that Coyle wasnt a bad appointment here because he once got Burnley promoted. As @JacknOry agrees, there is a clear decrease in results from the previous manager, who himself was deemed to be underperforming. 

You mention De Boer, you said it was correct to sack him after 4 games if im not mistaken. It doesnt make any sense that in an isolated incident, you think thats the right decision to show absolutely no patience, and that 4 games is enough to judge and 16 isnt for Heckingbottom.

Your point on Swansea/Leeds/Birmingham doesnt prove me wrong. Its all in the quality of manager, and the 3 you mentioned have continiously appointed poor manager after poor manager, and as I keep saying, thats where the issue lies. The quality of managers, if they got a manager that came in and pushed thim up the table, having a positive impact, do you still think they would sack him after a few months? The line in bold should read "Leeds' choices of managers appointed over the last few years have achieve nothing but disappointment and failure to make the playoffs."

To be honest, I dont get why you prefer British managers, you wouldnt be allowed to have that attitude if you was a chairman, and even if youd prefer a British manager, you have to judge all managers irrespective of their nationality. Which goes back to my De Boer point, your insistence that he was rightly sacked after 4 games makes a mockery of your almost exclusively "give a manager more of a chance" mantra.

Why you have a 3 man shortlist (with 4 names on it) as a potential Mowbray replacement doesnt make any sense either considering that there is no sign of him leaving soon, you dont want him to leave soon, and circumstances will most likely change massively when that time comes, but thats beside the point.

46 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Last 2 jobs Bielsa has had, only 2 days at Lazio and massive disappointment at Lille. Winning 5 drawing 5 and losing 9. Not that good. 

Did I say Lampard was a good appointment? Or did I said its good to see Lampard willing to take a job in Championship and not think hes too good for this league. Lampard has been coaching sessions at Chelsea with the youth sides plus appointed Morris as his number 2 who experience coach tho not 1st team level. 

On Christiansen, was he doing that much of a bad job or the same with Heckingbottom. 

Surely what Leeds united is a manager who is there longer than 1 year or more..

In my opinion they will never get anywhere cos they dont get a manager time and let them build a squad. Far too much short term thinking with zero consideration of the long term

Bielsas record is almost identical to Heckingbottom at Lille and Leeds respectively. One deserved more time and ones a massive disappointment? Not saying the 2 jobs are remotely similar but that seems inconsistent and hypocritical.

The point im making is their problem is not a lack of time, its the poor managers theyve appointed in the first place. If they appoint a good, suitable manager, then time in the job will result from his success. Short term success promotion is just as valid a system as giving someone 25 years, as long as you continue to appoint competent managers, Chelsea continue to win trophies, then replace managers at the sniff of any drop in standards, look at Watford, continually changing managers and never getting dragged anywhere near the bottom.

You cant just keep a man in a job long term if you arent seeing signs that he is the man to bring you success long term. Patience doesnt solve everything.

I feel like you obsess over "giving people time" a bit too much, its not always the answer and should only be allowed if the club feel that the manager is producing results and signs to suggest that he is the manager they need. Heckingbottom has a really poor record at Leeds, yes only over 16 games but Leeds have gone noticeably downhill even since Christiansens reign, which was also considered to be not good enough. So hed be saying

You also seem to have a desperation to avoid foreign managers, which is unfair as much as wed all like loads of English managers, if it was at my club I couldnt give a crap what nationality our manager is, I just want a successful one.

21 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Cheek is that player but no good giving him 30 minutes..should build the midfield around him

Disagree, hes more of a number 10, hes not one to sit deep and control it.

Dont think theres a case for building the midfield around him either, whats he done to prove he is THAT good to build a team around him.

Jekyll and Hyde performance, some lovely movement and interchange first half, albeit nowhere near ruthless enough., good to watch though.

Second half ive no idea what happened, subs didnt help, an obvious downgrade bringing on Welbeck etc.

Central midfield a problem, Dier is crap and we lack someone to calm it down when we go under pressure, im unconvinced that the way we played the 3 in midfield will work v better teams, may need to put the impressive Delph next to Henderson.

33 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Why do you hope not? 

Because hes 33, and a winger whose played the majority of his career in Russia, apart from an underwhelming spell at Everton quite a while ago.

Bloody hope not. Doubt it.

18 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Very unfair on Heckingbottom IMO. no chance to bring his own players he wanted, working with unbalance squad, far too many foriegn players.

Christiansen started well but things went bad after a couple of months  

They had Rosler, Christiansen and Milanic in the past 4 seasons aswell. 

Leeds in last few years have gone nowhere. 

Biesla has no experience of football in England. Will be culture shock for him. Yes they have some managers who has been successful but alot more failures. 

Lee Johnson and Dean Smith have both done good jobs at their clubs. I would prefer one of those than someone like Biesla. McClaren is McClaren. 

My point is, that yes he didnt bring in any players, but with the same players that Christensen had, who was deemed to be underachieving, he was doing considerably worse thn him.

Find it strange that you think Bielsa, a manager with a good CV is written off, yet you are so sure Lampard is a good appointment, a man with no managerial or coaching experience at all.

4 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

3 months with Heckingbottom in charge with a squad that wasnt good enough and lots of different nationalities there is enough time? No transfer window to bring players he wanted. 

Heckingbottom shouldnt have gone to Leeds in hindsigt. Reckon he might get the Bradford job

Leeds will go nowhere under Bielsa IMO. 

To be fair, it seems that under Heckingbottom, theyve actually gone backwards compared to under Christensen, his record albeit only over 16 games is incredibly poor, the fans seem unanimous in their response, its like with Lambert, patience is only good if you see signs of progression, and as I said and the stats prove, they have slid further under Heckingbottom.

Not sure you can go down the "not another foreign manager" route either, I know you like promoting British managers but theyve given many a chance over the last few years, Redfearn, McDermott, Hockaday, Monk, Evans and now Heckingbottom and it hasnt worked for any of them.

Bielsa seems to be a bit of a firecracker but hes a bit of a tactical revolutionist whose managed some big clubs and is highly respected by managers including Guardiola and Pochettino, so maybe it would be a far more exciting appointment than someone like McLaren, Lee Johnson, Dean Smith, or than a total novice like a Lampard or a Gerrard.