Who says I voted for him? haha All I was saying was I could understand why people might. By the way, don't put people up on a list as possible votes and then vilify the person who does.

By god he has a lot to do if he wants to get Scotland's pride back.

Rubbish. Football is no more about individual emotions than reading a newspaper on the bloody toilet is. Football is so obviously a communal experience that I can't even be bothered arguing the point. DEFINITELY NOT. Eh? Agree with you, but do you read the newspaper on the loo with other people?

Well he's probably a better judge of talented forwards than most of us...

Really? Out of interest how many capacity home crowds have Rovers had this year? Just to clarify I mean where all the home seats have been sold, not where you give 9000 to Man U etc? Not sure if you print them in your programs but I would be interested to know just how many Rovers fan turn up to home games I would not worry to much about us selling our tickets for this one. And on the who sold most tickets arguments, dress it how you want but we sold around 7000 last time, but I'll settle for 6000 which is still nearly twice what you sold for our place. Now I accept you couldn't sell more than 3,800 - and you couldn;t even find that many that would travel the 10 miles, in a FREE luxury coach. Now you can spout the general sale nonesense but I thought you had over 10000 season ticket holders? What 30% didn;t care enough to travel and as for the ignorant banana eaters comments, just more reinforcement of the nations view of Rovers fans as bigots and racists I guess Unless you now considered the people of burnley to be their own race, it can't exactly be racism now can it. While I'd just like to point out that your math seems a bit off at one points, if we have 10,000 season ticket holders, and only 3,000 people go to a game, then 70% didn't travel, not 30%. To be honest I think this discussion is better to be dropped, and that instead both sides do their talking on the pitch, which I think all of us would be quite happy with, as I fully expect a Rovers victory.

Nonsense. I'm fed up with the gloomsters writing us off all the time. Rovers will stay up at a canter, starting with a 3-0 triumph over the Canaries on saturday. Take notice you depressing fools haha. If jim is being positive, no one can be negative!

My god have I ever seen a more fickle bunch of supporters. You are all so sad, really either stop supporting the club or get a grip. We've lost 3 games in a row, dear me, it happens, get on with it. We'll survive this year, and if things don't change then, fine, be sad, but until then, we are in a pretty safe position really, and I'm sure we'll pick up our fair share of points between now and the end of the season. I'm sure you are the same people who only a month ago were singing the clubs praises and saying how great everything was and how good the team were, really gets on my tits.

We probably have the worst strikers, but certainly not the worst team. Big difference. I think a lot of premiership teams would love our midfield. While even our defence over the past couple months has shown itself to be excellent.

Agree with you there USA. I think it is just worth saying to Stead have a few games and keep trying. Back him for 5 games, eventually he'll come good, he has too much talent not to. He just needs to get the confidence back and the touch and movement that can only come from playing.

Not sure about the Cardiff part but I really agree with you. We are a fickle bunch. Two weeks ago, or even last weekend, everything was great at Ewood Park. Suddenly we are unlucky against Bolton and Chelsea to a certain extent, and then against Boro, though not playing very well, they weren't great either, and we are relegation fodder. When we start losing some people on here totally lose logic and reason. It's a couple of bad results, it happens. We've yet to be played off the park, in fact, we could easily have drawn all of these matches and I think everyone would have accepted that as the fair result, and then we wouldn't have nearly so much moaning, so what is the problem? Sure we aren't finding the net, but we've already highlighted that as a problem, do we really need to bring it up after every game? We'll sit through this season, and then in the summer we can see what the club can do to solve that problem, for now we just have to make do with what we have, so would everyone just get on with it. It's not awful to lose 3 games in a row 1-0, especially when you consider that one of them was against a team who have only lost once all season and have torn most teams apart. I still think we haven't been horrible, and at the back we still look quite solid. Things aren't nearly as bad as half of you make out.

Hmm bit dramatic. Have to say. Even if we lost I'd still say I'd rather be in our position than theirs. I mean at worst we'll be only 2 points clear of the relegation zone, which is better than being 2 points off safety.

Yeah but it is extremely subjective. A lot of the research done has been done by those who loved the players, and I see nothing wrong with that, it's useful, and I did take a look at it and it was an enjoyable read and gave me the chance to learn things I didn't know before. I was just trying to judge it myself, and really the best way is to see the player in action, that will have more of an impact on me then a little biography of the player with his career stats. Oh what's the point...I'll just vote for Simon Garner.

I do open my mind. It's simply that I don't think I can fairly judge anyone I've never seen. So I just go with what I know. If this were something very serious, then yes, I would take more time, research, learn statistics, read reviews from each players time, learn what the fans thought of them, all of that. It isn't though, it's just a simple vote. I was simply trying to explain why some had voted for players who most would say would never make Rovers all time 11, and though I might be able to give a reason. I know that it means I won't pick the best player most of the time. It's just unless I was going to do tons of research on all of them, I wouldn't be doing it fairly anyway, so I've simply limited it to what I've seen.

Is that sarcasm I detect?

It's going to be impossible for me to explain this very clearly, the words just won't come, but I'll give it a shot anyway. I feel football is very personal, with the only way to truly judge a player being to see him yourself. Politicians, historical figures, their acts and thoughts are well documented, the result of their actions, much of what is needed. You know what I'm not going to bother. We are talking about a Rovers best 11, not men of the 20th century.

To be honest you never know with these things, I always vote on the basis that the best I have ever seen play for Rovers. So my next vote will either be for Sutton or Jansen, in this case Jansen. Shearer got my vote because I had the pleasure of seeing him in a Rovers shirt, if I had become a Rovers supporter within the last 5 years though, then I would have voted for Jansen first up. So you never know with these things. Then I guess we should rename the squad to best 10 in Eddie's lifetime, instead of best 10 EVER. Thank you for that. I wasn't saying everyone should judge players based on my lifetime. All I'm saying is how on earth could I know if some player in the 50's or 60's was better than a player of more recent times. I've never even seen video footage of many of these let alone seen them at first hand. I judge as best I can, and really the only way I can do that is to judge the players I really know. I don't begrudge the fact that some of the older members have seen Rovers for decades and so can pass comment on hundreds of players who have put on the shirt, I'm limited to my own experiences since I was 6 years old, and in my case that only goes back 11 years. I'm sorry I'm young.

My worry was actually you were talking about people like me, I'm not exactly a local lad in origin or location. Unless of course you considered Chesire mixed with Guyana to be local haha

And where have all these "Noveau Rovers Fans" gone then?

I agree with you, but saying he was a poor buy, or that he isn't up to standard, is not the same thing as saying he isn't a footballer. Grabbi wasn't great, but hell he was a footballer. Savage is physical, but with obvious skill as well, if he didn't have it then he wouldn't have played at the top level for such a long period.

To be honest you never know with these things, I always vote on the basis that the best I have ever seen play for Rovers. So my next vote will either be for Sutton or Jansen, in this case Jansen. Shearer got my vote because I had the pleasure of seeing him in a Rovers shirt, if I had become a Rovers supporter within the last 5 years though, then I would have voted for Jansen first up. So you never know with these things.

I don't get it. You come here, have a go at a player and say you say with Chelsea fans, and think somehow we are going to not have a go at you? I thought he was one of the better midfielders on the night. He didn't bully, he has a physical style, what do you call Keane? I think he's already shown us that he has consdierable footballing talent to go along with this. Utter garbage. You may not like him, or his style, but if you say he's not a footballer, then that's just nonsense.

Glad to see more positive noises being made. I think if we played like that for the remainder of the season, we'll have no worries. We'd beat most like that. If one or two of our attacking players can just get that something extra going forward now and then in a game, we can more than make do for the rest of the season and bring in a new striker and other faces in the summer.

Hopefully he's more like David. I don't think Goliath coped well with things flying around his head .

Wow I seem to be the only one who took positives from that.

Not a classic game, but I though we played very well. Organised and solid, lacked that cutting edge but we already knew that. Encourage all the same by the fight and performance of the players. We probably would have beaten anyone but Chelsea tonight. Shame about the penalty miss, but not the end of the world. We really have got a real bargain in the form of Nelsen, that guy looks more than capable at the back.