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Garner goes on loan.

Not true. No relation.

If Warnock comes in and shows better than Gray or Neill at LB, we could be better off being that we will have more balance in the side. That's important.

Is Dunn available for the UEFA games?

Poll added.

Konchesky in part ex?

I said they only wanted him because he was cheap.

You know I agree with that Rev. Do we want him or not? We were prepared to pay £2.5m in Summer weren't we.

Garth Scates.

Can't stand all this pussyfooting around. If Dunn is the man they want, then pay the million quid and sign him. If they aren't sure he's the man, then move on.

Bolton still await scan results and still expect to sign Dunn.

Final, final points [honest]. My worry is that the academy will have an even more difficult task in attracting the best young lads to Brockhall, now that some of the facilities have been taken away and given for the first teams use. If we don't get the best youngsters down to Brockhall, the academy can't do what it was set up to do - provide players for the first team.

I'm probably not saying anything new Bryan. FLB, I don't want it to develop into a personal ding-gong, I've too much respect for you as a site contributor. Let me try to clarify what I'm trying to say. It quite simple. If a player [striker] is going to make it with his current club, he's really going to have to be at that standard, by the time he's touching 22. "You mention Cole at Bristol City...since when were they in the Premiership? " - They weren't. What I said was show me a striker in the prem, who wasn't showing the required qualities at around 21 yrs of age. I haven't seen that in Matt YET. History shows at our club, if they're gonna come through, they come through young. I'm sure people are getting fed up with me posting on this thread and see it as FLB said, anti Academy. If I was anti academy, why have I seen just about every youth cup home tie and even some away games for a lot of seasons now. So rather than agitate people some more, it's probably better if someone else steps in. Sorry for over posting guys, but the youth team is something I've always taken great interest in.

Thanks.

That's a bit of a sketchy list FLB. If you say Shearer didn't make a regular player ubtil he was 22, you're way off the mark. He scored a hat trick against Arsenal and Tony Adams in particular at the age of 17. He scored 7 goals in 4 games, at the age of 20, in the Toulon under 21 tournament. He played for England before he came to Rovers, demanding a record British fee. Andy Cole was playing and scoring regularly at the age of 21, with Bristol City. Thierry Henry played for France in the world cup at the age of 21. Teddy Sheringham has already made over 200 league starts when he moved to Forest. I wont check on the rest, but stand by my point that a striker should be playing regularly and showing real quality, at the age of 21ish. Let's look at our own club. Rovers have a pretty poor record of bringing young strikers through. From when I started watching them in the early sixties, how many strikers have gone on to play regularly, and how many of those didn't appear until they turned 22 or older? I can remember John Byrom - playing at the age of 17. Fred Pickering - what 19 or 20? He was part of the youth cup winning side in 1960 and was playing in 62/63? Simon Garner - played regularly at 18. James Beattie, sold to Southampton at what 18 yrs old? I must have missed some names out there. However, I can't remember any striker. only breaking into rovers team 22 or older.

The question was how many strikers come through, AFTER the age of 21 [ish]? Blimey, I aint limitting it to their 21st birthday plus or minus one day. I'm talking generally.

Dunn and Duff. They came through in their teens. Goes part way to what I'm saying.

I haven't written him off Rev. The couple of goals he's scored and the three or four that he's missed, do show an eye for a chance. There's much more than that needed to succeed at this level. I would really love him to come good and make it. Like I said, he must start showing more soon, at 21 yrs old [in a couple of months], many lads are playing regular premiership football in their own right. Many of them much come through much younger than that. Simple question, what percentage of strikers in the prem, come through past the age of 21? Anyone wish to guess? Here we go again.

FLB, it was Hughes who said that Derbs started primarily because Nonda hadn't had a proper training session before the arse game. He said it on Radio Rovers. He also said that he thought that derbs would be able to trouble arsenal by running the channels, but because of the sending off, that opportunity didn't arise. He finished the game on the right wing - again. How many good strikers are moved out to the flanks when their team is behind? Why do you say that I'm being negative, when I give my impression of any rovers academy player? I simply tell it as I see it. I was accused of exactly the same thing about Gally. There aren't many saying he's going to make a Premiership player now, are there? Matty isn't a youngster any more, he's 21 soon and should be showing a better all round game than he is doing at present - IMO. Don't be conned because he's scored a couple of goals. The main thing is, he must show that he's a real player. By that, I mean real quality/real pace and real power. We're talking Premiership here and the required standards are VERY high. Take a look around the other teams and the quality of their strikers. That's where Matt needs to be.

Derbyshire started because Hughes felt that Nonda wasn't completely over his injury. For my Twopenneth FLB, Derbs was completely out of his depth yesterday.

The main reason that Dunn left, was a fall out between him and Souey about whether Dunns' lifestyle and lack of committment in training, was at the bottom of his injuries.

You have just posted that on another thread. We don't need it twice.

Nice Vid. Course it was the foreigners, in general, that brought diving to the forefront in this country - and in general, they're still at it. :ph34r: Dives under cupboard to avoid fire.

Plus, it is foreigners that brought diving into our game.

Pretty much agree with what he says.