Each to their own, I’d take 1.5m for Sam G

Yes, he’s experienced and he obviously is a better option than Harry et al.

The only problem is, he’s made of cottage cheese. The main position he occupies is the physios bed.

23 minutes ago, Tugayisgod said:

Rovers to listen to loan offers for 6 youngsters

https://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1212619190?-11198:839

I’ve always wondered why we don’t have agreements with league clubs where we can send 2 or 3 to one club at a certain level. Easier to settle, know someone in the squad and potentially play together at a higher level than u21s.

Stanley for example. I guess the reason for this is we need fee paying loans.

On 04/08/2023 at 08:56, JBiz said:

First time this morning, actually excited about a couple of beers in the EWMC and a match!

I predict it will take approximately 10 minutes of self defeating keep ball around our own box before I go back to hating every other second at Ewood!

I take the second paragraph back. Enjoyed that from start to finish. Massive props to Pickering, Leonard, Hyam and Carter. How good did Adam look when he came on.

Up the rovers 

First time this morning, actually excited about a couple of beers in the EWMC and a match!

I predict it will take approximately 10 minutes of self defeating keep ball around our own box before I go back to hating every other second at Ewood!

9 hours ago, booth said:

"This is dross." A match day remark seen on many a match thread when TM was in charge.

I wish it was as easy to forget for me. Especially this record breaking result.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59059048
 

Yea, I vividly remember walking away from that game with KHod around the 60th minute rather embarrassed!

We went on quite a good run after I recall.

6 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Watch any of our games under Mowbray from August 19 to August 21. It was full of them when he tried his horrible version of possession football.

Don't get me wrong there was some shockers last season, but it was much better than any of that garbage.

 

I remember frustration about creativity or final ball (I’ve had a ST for donkeys years and watched those games btw) and I certainly remember head in my hands defending….

However, I do not recall ever sitting there thinking “wtf are we even trying to achieve?”

6 minutes ago, SBlue said:

That’s not the fault of “playing it out from the back”. You seem to have taken a throwaway interview comment about “only increasing value” a little literally too.

But why does that increase value? Because more clubs want players who can do that. Why do they want players who can do that? Because statistically keeping the ball and building from the back leads to retaining possession and better results than getting the ball forwards at the very first opportunity. It isn’t some world football conspiracy against Tony Pulis. 
 

We didn’t play possession for possession sake like a Swansea imo (and like we tried for one weird TM season), and in my opinion we improved and started moving the ball crisply and with confidence. I think the team is going places, mainly because of good coaching.

If we carry on in that vein, I don’t think you’ll be “bored”, but try and stop yourself booing if we’re patient in the build up and do remember the good points/moves/goals created and not just the (inevitable) odd mistake.

I would say that we’ve shown at times exactly the Russel Martin nonsense argument - especially at home, especially this year.

The relentless short passing from set pieces in our own half has caused so many issues and perseverance with it fills me with dread.

It doesn’t need to be the exact opposite either, a style that relies solely on physical stats and set pieces. I’m sure even some minor aspects of “Pulis” in our approach would help, like a good old fashioned “when in doubt rule”..

I appreciate the business aspect involved in sustainability, where the “value added” stuff belongs - and the only way to evaluate that is long term, hence why I’m no in anyway trying to advocate any changes of personnel. I don’t do that anyway.

I just can sense this is going to be a long fucking season. Please prove me wrong.

20 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

You not bothered about our style of play but then complains about us being possession based team under JDT. We finished in our highest league position since our relegation from the PL. 

I’m not bothered about directness, wing play, a number ten, 3 at the back - whatever. Not fussed, I don’t know enough about tactics to have a stake in that argument.

I find this particular brand incredibly boring at times to watch. As a fan. No amount of repeating yourself (I mean how many times do you want to type “highest league finish since relegation”?) is going to change that.

I want to be proven wrong and excited about watching rovers. 

1 minute ago, MarkBRFC said:

It's 1 year in, he's not a miracle worker.

Amazing you never had these issues under the last blokes 5 year journey.

Now that was dull.

I don’t recall ever pinching myself to stay awake watching our defence and goalkeeper pass it around then. Remember, this entire discussion started because I find the football boring.
 

I can agree with everyone about giving someone time and the scenario also of being first in English leagues, arriving late etc. I get all of that.

I just cannot stand this dot to dot stuff. I know yesterday was only pre season, but the first 30 minutes just felt like a prelude to more frustration. 

9 minutes ago, SBlue said:

Was it? 
 

I remember not dealing with a long throw, not defending a hoof forward, and a loose pass from midfield.

Many loose and unnecessary passes + weak as piss unorganised defending against basics = the whole issue I have with JDTs “journey”.

The end. I hope I have to eat these words ASAP.

1 minute ago, MarkBRFC said:

I actually agree, it wasn't a success.

But it was bloody better than all the ones that have come before it at this level over the past 10 years.

Exactly the same points total as 21/22

2 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Jesus you must have been foaming at the mouth when Mowbray was guiding us to 11th and 15th position In the table .

For a first season as manager of a team who had lost half their starting 11 it was a bloody good start anyway

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No I wasn’t. TM didn’t inherit a team challenging for the playoffs previously. Besides this is not just about the result being the same (points / position / lack of playoffs)

Im talking about the style, I find it boring. Over a full season on average.

Maybe JDT can improve that this season and the results. I’m not convinced

21 minutes ago, Atko's Engine said:

JDT did as well as the very experienced Mowbray in his first season at this level (compared to TM's 5 seasons with us and 20 odd more at this level elsewhere) with only half a pre season & an exodus of first 11 players to replace.

There were so many missed opportunities last season to get into the playoffs, the margin was that narrow. Hirst's missed penalty, Cov's handballing keeper, Hedges' rush of blood, Hyam's knee, Dingles' 1-shot 1 goal, the obvious handball by whatshisuglyface. They're what stopped us achieving playoffs, not JDT.

JDT did great overall IMO, I am v looking forward to this season. Individual mistakes happen, like A Wharton's crossfield pass straight to Millwall's goalscorer. Cut those out & score more goals, there's no reason we can't go at least 1 better this season.

I’m just saying that I find it boring. 
 

I appreciate that overall the job was a decent one. I’m just saying that this specific style of football is hard to watch.

Over a season though - those things work out. There are a few complete no shows, that made just as much as an impact on our finishing position - simply listing all the unlucky things, forgets about times when we looked completely out of our depth.

I agree we could improve this season but I guarantee that the patience won’t last if we don’t. 

17 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Won more games last than we have at this level since relegation.

Whilst there was some shockers in there, with what he had available his style must have been doing something right.

Again, the stat that counts is points / finishing position.

I wouldn’t call last season a success.

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

yet again, no one is patronising so stop over dramatic again 

JDT produced our best league position finish since our relegation from the PL plus 2 very good cup runs in his first season in English football and without 15 goals plus striker 

Also you didn't answer this simple question, What style of play would you play with these players then? 

At times last season our tempo was too slow but I kept saying time after time that when we play quick tempo possession based football we look very dangerous and quality. 

Our tempo will get better I think this season

“I’m not patronising but you can’t answer a simple question”… that you’ve already answered.

To repeat myself for the dim witted - I’m not bothered about the style of play, I just preferred it when our tactics primary job where to win, get points.

This setup’s first responsibility is to “add value” and I find it boring in the main. Either deal with it and move on or find someone else to quote.

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

No Possession football is control the ball in all areas and playing with quick tempo. Look at Leicester City away or Sheffield United at home and away in the cup as prime example of playing quality attacking possession football

Yet JDT delivered our best league position finish since relegation without a main number 9 striker scoring 15 goals plus and 2 good cup wins. 

I like us playing possession based football and its the way I would play. 

What style of play would you play with these players then? 

Don’t be so patronising. 
 

There are 50+ games to look at. Only a blithering idiot would base their opinions on the two best performances.

12 minutes ago, islander200 said:

JBiz....

Look at the season as a whole ,JDT in his first season of English football led us to our highest finish in the championship since relegation from the top flight.

He did this after losing 5/6 players from our strongest 11 from the previous season with Lenihen, Nyambe, Rothwell, Van hecke and Khadra all gone .

He did it without Diaz scoring 20 league goals before Christmas.

I don't believe I'm the only person who saw a change after Rotherham away and there was much less passing around at the back(we still did it ,we still made mistakes from it but the playing around at the back did not happen as much as it did pre Rotherham) 

JDT has done an excellent job so far 

 

I am looking it as a whole, it was mainly boring and tepid. Some of the games got me off my seat - the Sheff United game in the league and the cup stuff but ultimately;

He got the same amount of points as the much maligned Mowbray. With a style of football that bored me to death. Each to their own.

5 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Leicester.... Sheffield United both cup and league... disagree on Coventry we controlled the game , QPR away,Millwall away second half,even in the first half we were not passing it around at the back and there were others 

After Rotherham away there wasn't as much passing around at the back.If you couldn't see that fair enough but your seat must not have been facing the pitch 

Islander - just look at the very last competitive game we played. We had to come back from a deficit caused by our ridiculously bad decision making with the ball in our own half.

All caused by playing out from the back. 
 

It might be worth upping the spectacle prescription.

18 minutes ago, islander200 said:

After the hammering by Rotherham there was a change

Leicester in the cup,Sheffield United at home two excellent performances.

Even in the games we didnt get the result required, Sheffield United(cup) Coventry, Huddersfield away ,Burnley at home we played some very good stuff .

You must have been watching a different team to me as agreed up until January it was slow and boring football but after that we started to play some excellent football, without getting the results our performances warranted.

Yea Luton at home when we desperately needed points was “excellent football”… we only scored after throwing away the game plan.

Spanked off Norwich, who let us pass around for as long as we wanted, played a direct ball and cut us in half.

Hull at home 0-0 on sky at 8pm, easily the most boring game of the season.

Same against Coventry at home and Preston - whilst you can argue we had some misfortune in all of those games, we didn’t get the result. 

So I’m not sure which games you watched - the only top performances I would’ve picked out, Huddersfield away (but remember our shocking weak as piss defending) and then the stomach punch of Burnley at home.

26 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

what wrong with playing possession football and being technically good plus pressing from the front? 

what style would you prefer us to play?  

What a surprise.

Go on, I will bite.

Possession football is further up the pitch, what we do is not that.

This constant playing out from the back is never going to be safe, because we don’t have players technically good enough.

Im all for pressing, but our play generally is depressing because teams know they’ve probably more chance of beating us by letting us have the ball. 
 

All I want to see is a team setup to get the best results. Ours is predominately setup to add value to players first.

Most of the football in the last 12 months has been dull, imo. 

It took me 10 minutes or the first game to remember why I hated long spells of last season and the incessant passing around the back.

Why this is a popular style of football is beyond me. 

27 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

Being realistic, going off the prices Waggott charges, 9k is a decent effort.

But that's not the point.

We've only got to look at Preston and Bolton, two clubs of historically similar size and stature, who through attractive pricing policies, are putting our numbers to shame.

Preston averaged 1500 more than us at home over last season, total attendance that is. Season before 2500 less.

I don’t know the ins and outs of the cost over that time or their relative finishes in the league but that is a big jump from 2022 

51 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Fair enough. The charges relate to 2017 - so either the 2nd half our our league one season, or the first half of a Championship season.

I could understand an advantage on a market where you'd expect a lot of bets to take place (For example if Liverpool were playing Arsenal in the cup and you had information that Liverpool were fielding a team of teenagers before it was common knowledge), but I'm not sure how much money is being won/lost based on leaked Rovers' team news. It might be a much bigger market than I realise.

My guess is it’s more likely just someone he knew was being transferred, something that’s exactly what happened to trippier and I imagine Harry knows quite a few top English players from coming through.

On 30/06/2023 at 14:18, Hasta said:

He probably told someone to back Wigan for the League One title when he found out Mowbray's starting line-up at Charlton.

Judging by the amount of likes this post achieved, I can’t believe people are still so sore about that!

1 hour ago, LeftWinger said:

Who would pay for our line-up 10 minutes before it was released? Just interested into what benefit someone gain from the information.

If it’s linked to betting - the exchange markets (betfair etc) are normally quite liquid before 2pm, but if you know for definite that a big player is missing or on the bench, you’re benefiting from information that the market doesn’t have.

Its advantageous for those laying the bets, not necessarily those taking them.

5 hours ago, Wheelton Blue said:

Yes I do - for both myself and my daughter.

What would you suggest is a good figure this summer? I appreciate that we had 18k around 12 years ago, but realistically that would take more than cost or marketing to achieve imo.

10k? I’ve no real opinion on Waggott but being realistic, what do we think would be successful this summer.

8 hours ago, Upside Down said:

Projections of 9000 for the start of the season. Absolutely pathetic.

16 hours ago, Wheelton Blue said:

Overpriced + none existant marketing = (maybe) 9k in sales

Well done Swag. Just go.

Out of interest, do either of you have season tickets?