12 hours ago, J*B said:

I'll nail my colours early - I reckon he's shite. 

Set the tone

10 hours ago, wilsdenrover said:

On the Delhi high court website…

Select case history then case wise.

Enter required info (w.p.(c) 7966 2023).

Select filing details. 

 

Is this a coincidence or do you think this is them putting the money in for tavares?

5 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Its an impossible question to answer though about any player. We dont know what hes on, what our top earner is on, what the average is etc. People like to quote random websites but you cant trust them, I suspect they get them from football manager or something similar as they cant possibly know.

There is a chance of course that he as an individual has unreasonable demands. But as you touch on, 18 months ago his stock wasnt as high, nor was his bargaining power. Thats the one where I struggle to accept that he was asking for silly money beyond our pay structure. The contract he has been on will be very low because he signed it so long ago. 

The main issue is beyond Dolan anyway, if only one or even two players had refused to sign it might not be worrying. The other issue is the timing, when we wait so long we get to the point where the players power is higher and they also have more reason to justify a higher wage. The club can also spill out that their demands are beyond our wage structure. 

I don’t understand why you think wage approximates will be that far off, all clubs publish their wage bills. 

Of course, it’ll never be exact unless you’ve a payslip with their bonuses / signing on fees on. It’s fairly easy to have a close approximate though - football manager games have researchers at every club who provide these approximates too, so it’s not as if it’s a random algorithm.

I don’t think you can say for sure that he hasn’t been offered a decent extension either, but we can definitely say that his agents advice would’ve been to “stick it out, you’ll get a better deal elsewhere”….
 

Especially when we’ve seen that happen multiple times in recent seasons. Lenihan, Rothwell, and Brereton-Diaz all went on to sign contracts at their new clubs that would’ve been higher than what we would’ve paid them.

You can point out a lack of ambition from the owners and many would agree, you can say their are external issues like parachute payments and FFP make an impact and most would also agree, but you still must acknowledge that these players have short careers and will maximise their earnings.

Not forgetting their agents generally take 10% thus the more their client makes….

12 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

 I dont know but I'd wager he's on a very low wage at the moment relatively speaking.

I'd assume he was after something like parity with other senior members of the squad and we're trying to lowball him.

https://salarysport.com/football/player/tyrhys-dolan/
https://salarysport.com/football/player/todd-cantwell/

https://salarysport.com/football/player/lewis-travis/

Certainly worth taking a handful of salt with this but I would say these are close, the Cantwell one as an example of what our top earners are on, and Travis as an example based on another going into his final year.

The question I would ask everyone on BRFCS, what would you offer him based on those examples of our structure? I personally would be happy to see Dolan on a 15k a week 3 year deal, but I wouldn’t put him in top earner category.

Incidentally - I’d make Travis top earner personally! 

A couple of examples from the championship, similar age and experience, attackers who went to a parachute teams last season; Both Callum O Hare and Tyrese Campbell went to Sheff United last season for free for 15k (according to the same basic AI Research)

I would bet that the signing on fees are very different mind!

13 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

One that he would accept.

Oh come on, you spend a hundred words on dissecting players and other decisions but can’t even offer more than a sentence on a simple question?

it doesn’t matter though,  because we both know that being able to offer competitive wages for the players at the top of the championship normally requires that 45m+ parachute payment, a high turnover and/or ambitious owners.

We don’t have any of those three things.

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Erm, ok.

So we can conclude that the primary reason why we are looking in lesser foreign leagues (often at the bottom of) is for financial reasons. And the reason that we aren't extended contracts is again financially driven.

Don't get why Dolan is any different. Had we stuck a reasonable contract offer in front of him, he likely would have signed it. It clearly wasn't a reasonable one.

What is a reasonable offer for Dolan?

4 minutes ago, 47er said:

Back into hibernation after a very brief excursion! Comforting to know he's still around for some reason I can't identify!

I think the comfort comes from knowing I’m still suffering watching this fecking charade, just like the rest of you.

11 minutes ago, ... said:

The Venkys are NOT funny. Tbf.

Factual tangent, but you do you.

Since we’re just improvising here, can I say that the Parkers Arms in Newton-in-Bowland does the best pies I’ve ever eaten. 

3 hours ago, K-Hod said:

Was only a joke mate, don’t take it so hard.

Jokes are normally funny tbf 😂 

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

How do you know we aren't competitive wage at championship level? 

Is this some sort of info or knowledge you have?

Because we keep losing players on frees pal. 

1 hour ago, Tomphil2 said:

The interview with the #nob end chap was interesting and everything that's missing here when there is silence then they stick 3 stooges in front of the cameras to try and save their own backsides.

No time for Preston but the difference in how the two clubs are run is night and day and i fully expect them to outdo us this season.

Also interesting how they are increasing their turnover despite the cheaper ST offers but of course that couldn't possibly work here even though we still have a bigger fanbase waiting in the wings.

Fucking annoying isn’t it!

10 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

We didn't want to pay him for an additional 7 weeks?

His contract would’ve run till 30th of June 

2 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

You still here?

Yes, I.e there’s no issue in us buying £7million young players as they’ll be on peanuts.

I don’t think anyone but you ever interpreted it as that, but don’t let me stop you go reading posts from 6 years ago if it’ll get the sand out your arse.

3 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Classic Bizzle. Always has to announce his  his return, then announces his departure straight after.

How’s that flex going by the way?

The flex? Aka the higher wages you can offer someone over their contract if you don’t have to pay a fee?

2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You asked me a question neither of us could possibly answer either way.

We clearly arent offering competitive Championship wages for this to be a continued running theme.

But the main issue is the lack of proactivity. Why are we still to offer actual contracts for players with such little time remaining on their deals? Why has there been an 18 month lull?

Occasionally some players will outgrow us, but in that case ie Brereton and Rothwell, you have to sell and reinvest. Dolan, I think he would have signed had we been proactive. Now, not gonna happen especially as his stock has grown and his deal has been allowed to expire.

We can easily offer estimates, or a view on the potential earnings those players can obtain here and elsewhere. All that stuff is readily available online. Like turnover to wage ratios, income levels, season ticket prices / numbers etc

“Defending the club” is always the bollox that comes back when anyone offers anything that might be an external factor, like for example a player trying to maximise their income in a short career. Just read Preston’s chairmans recent comments;

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/25245597.preston-chief-hits-unfair-issue-affecting-blackburn/

Thats not offering up excuses as to why our turnover is still dog shit, and not increasing enough due to a lack of decent backroom management. It’s not offering an excuse as to why managers walk out the door into teams in the relegation places. 
 

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

Some of them might not, I am not saying they all would. 

But the club isnt proactive even in offering contracts. Dolan got offered one in the Broughton days, not even been offered a proper one since. Travis and Tronstad, even now, just talks with their representatives.

I suspect you are only defending the club on this to go against the grain.

 

I ask you one question and you come back with a boring old BRFCS insult. That’ll teach me for signing in.

Re Pears - just adding my thoughts, it was never simply the Wigan gaffe that caused my own dislike of him, it is the constant nervousness he passes on to the defence, especially under pressure. Especially when JDT made him have the most touches per game after dropping Kaminski, a horrible time to watch rovers. I had empathy with Pears, he should’ve never been in that situation but that might also be down to my hatred of this modern trend in football for the keeper to be basically a sweeper.

The run of games with the fuckup vs Sheffield Wednesday. Seasons all blend into one for me nowadays, so I’m not sure what season it was - I particularly remember that goal he concedes vs Preston at home was just typical weak arse goalkeeping. 
 

No personality and I can’t see him getting better. It’s early days with Toth but Id go that way as I personally see far more potential.

3 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Clearly we tried with a poor offer not up to scratch otherwise he would have signed.

It should never have to this. But now it has. Even if he has said he wants to look around. A club with a shred of ambition wouldnt respond with the attitude of "ok we will leave you to it." They would say heres an improved concrete offer before you go, we are desperate for you to stay.

Stop swallowing every bit of shite that comes out of the club.

You tell us the kind of contract you think Dolan, Brereton, Rothwell, Lenihan would’ve signed.

41 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

a few more wins and it will be complete meltdown time at waggot towers,him and pasha will terrified everytime the phone rings,the play offs were definately not in their nefarious plans and the indian paymasters will not be happy at all,the fat medallion wearing one  might even make a personal appearance to see what the **** is going on

Oh come on 

4 minutes ago, B16Rover said:

Do you cover your bald head with an orange hat and coat? 

No, he’s normally in full stone island sat next to a lad with a big nose.

2 minutes ago, NeilInBristol said:

Excellent prediction sir

Getting a reputation is Jim 😂 

6 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

A team made up of players who didn’t start today:

                                    Toth

JRC.              Carter.          Batth.         Beck

                         Tronstad    Buckley 

     Dennis             Weimann                  Kargbo  

                                 Ohashi 

Not world beaters but not too shabby either.

 

Significant investment? 😂 

6 minutes ago, cesus said:

I'm happy for Forshaw. He is regarded as a solid pro in the game and it must be pretty humiliating to be told you can go away by a club in the relegation places ... he looked to enjoy the goal!

His celebration was a lot of fun for the JW end 😂 

Dolan was really influential today - I know its unlikely but would be great to hear him sign a new deal.

2 minutes ago, DE. said:

I've asked unleaded some follow up questions which hopefully he'll answer. We know he has an inside track when it comes to transfers so I don't doubt his source or sources. I'm sceptical about apportioning 100% blame to JE though. Something about the last 14 years just makes me cynical. Who knows why. 

He didn’t put it all on Eustace - he explained that this has rumbled on since last summer and should’ve been sorted. You can say JE was lied too, but then you can also say he took the piss and used the situation. We all would professionally.