Can I just take this opportunity to say

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thursday am flight from Heathrow to Amsterdam (haven't decided between car, taxi or train between cities.)

Hotel in Rotterdam- stayed in it before- the Westin

Friday pm flight home.

Then, joy of all joys- WATFORD AWAY on the Sunday. Without footy traffic a whole 15 minutes from my house.

Hotels, flights and cars all booked!!!

Krakow 22,500 BA miles plus £61.90

Not that we know we are playing them away yet, but how the heck do you get to Nancy?

Probably quicker to fly to Luxembourg or Basel and drive or get a train.

Not Poland in December. Been there done that- FREEZING!!! Would like somewhere hot as well!!

How do u know???? ffs

Remember this is the same person who told you all Wigan had scored the penalty before they.............didn't!!

I hold my hand up, it was late, I was tired, and I was very inaccurate. My apologies to for that

No worries- there are a few of us who'd have loved it to be true

Jan you really are most annoying. Not only was that reply to Abbey uncalled for, can you really justify your support for a club when you seem to base that support on your personal opinion of a manager? Not only are you saying you supported Celtic more because you 'despised' Graeme Souness, but now you're saying you support them the same amount because you think Mark Hughes is 'lovely'!?!

Despite his later days at the club being absolute dogger, Souness also achieved a lot of postitives at Rovers. I can recall everyone saying he was the 'best manager since Kenny' and all that. He took us up, he won us a cup and got us into Europe and gave us some pride back. He probably took us as far as he could, and I can't believe you can still have the same hatred for the guy AFTER he achieved all that.

What has Souness actually done to insult you anyway? My guess is it's simply because he is one of the more successful and passionate Rangers legends, and you just can't handle that type of insult to your beloved Celtic.

Read above.

what about the spitting and brick throwing passionatte ones?

Do you live your entire life drunk? Almost nothing you say makes any sense whatsoever, so I can only imagine you're drunk. The other possibility is too horrible to contemplate.

I wouldn't FR but that's just me - I live in Wigan now, and I know its not quite the same but I would never consider going to watch them

turning your post on its head as I understand your predicament but not the reasoning in terms of 'supporting' - what would happen if these teams you secondly support played ROVERS in a meaningful or any game for that matter?

This is the million dollar question, which those such as myself can't understand - difficult for me as I have not been in the position you find yourself in so I can only summise and go with what I feel, as I suppose others who question such as yourself also do.

I have no doubt it would be the Rovers for you, however this might have something to do with me being 'old school' but I still can't get into this my 1st team is ???, my 2nd team is xx etc.

As MB posted this is what is grating about Jan - and she/he still hasn't answered what I keep asking - Rovers or Celtic?

At least you don't bang on about it

Fair enough going to watch another game etc but supporting another team?

Very much she!

Now- would probably support both equally if they played. Thought I would before but the ba*tard's behaviour turned it heavily in favour of Celtic. Mark Hughes, being a generally lovely human being who is both fair and lovely (did I mention he's lovely) would mean that I wouldn't be forced into the invidious position of having to despise one manager and therefore not support the team!!

I thought it was very rude of Rovers to arrange a game when I couldn't make it. I'm on stage in amateur opera at the time!

Want to go to an away game or two myself. Don't have much holiday left.

souness got rovers relegated ??? have i been living in a parallel universe:)

Much as I'd like to and think it would be fitting, even I can't blame him for that!!!!

i predict 10,000 home fans, at best, for the chelski game.

It's £15 for season ticket holders, £18 for non season ticket holders. But admittedly neither my two friends nor I can make it

You're wasting your time Fife, Jans attitude is the same in every post. She doesn't even see the real world, never mind live in it, she has her own ivory tower.

Sorry- almost everyone I know lives in the same world as me! (Although there are obviously a few aliens out there!!!)

And how do you increase your fixed income to do that Jan?

We're all on a fixed income until our next pay rise (or pension increase). However your point was that it was difficult for 2 unbudgeted things to be catered for in a week. I merely said that neither of them were unbudgetable.

This may come as a surprise to you Jan, but there are a significant number of people around to whom an unbudgeted sum of £15 or more coming twice in the same week is a mortal blow. How do I know? I'll leave that one for you to work out.

But the Wigan game was a Premiership game (therefore shouldn't have been unbudgeted) and it WAS known from last season that we'd have 2 European games, so you had at least 4 months to budget for them!!!

Could it also be down to the fact that there were only two intervening days for the finances to recover?

From £15????

Some good points Paul but never mind supporters have you compared revenue of the two games? Dare I say it but it's prob of far more importance.

Doing a quick and dirty calculation, Rovers probably received less than half the revenue for the Salzburg game than it did for the Wigan one.

Nice that your sectarian blinders make you not support the manager...

(Jan that is, not Jim.)

Will explain this again in words of one syllable. Hated Souness from his Liverpool v Scotland days. At that point had no idea who he supported. Disliked him even more once he became one of the most inflammatory Rangers managers in recent times, have gone on record as saying wouldn't have minded Alex McLeish or Walter Smith as manager although one was cr*p (just picked the wrong one!!!)

His appointment got up my nose because I thought we could have done better because he was a manager at the end of his career looking for a big pay day rather than a manager at the start of his career looking for success. Oh, and he reinstated Darren Peacock in his first game as manager "because he'd heard of him" rather than waiting until he'd seen the team play. That was indicative of how I knew he'd be as a manager. I stuck with it even in the season he sold Dunn and Duff (because I'd already paid for my season ticket) but only attended a few games - most of which were shockingly inept. The following season I decided enough was enough and I couldn't bear to watch Souness "inspired" teams struggle to get to 40 points AGAIN. Fortunately the fool Shepherd paid actual cash money for the useless tw*t and we got a decent manager. Therefore was without a season ticket for precisely 4 weeks.

Jan (very publicly on this site and on the Rovers email list) withdrew her support for Rovers under Souness, and made a great song and dance about coming back to Ewood Park when he left.

All that despite unashamedly enjoying the good times - I sat next to Jan at Spurs when we thrashed them 4-0 to get into Europe and she was chanting for the manager and the team along with the rest of us! And enjoyed the subsequent trip to Sofia. Clearly by the next round v Celtic she'd swapped sides.

That's what mystifies me.

Tris- that's a lie you try to perpetuate. I never ONCE in the entire time I was at Rovers when that man was, sang or chanted his name. I despised him from day one. I did sit almost beside you at Spurs (fortunately my friend was in the way) but if you noticed- which you CLEARLY didn't- while you people were singing "Souness's Blue and white Army", I started at the Blue and white Army bit. I could probably get at least a dozen people to confirm that. I cheered the team- NEVER him.

I enjoyed Sofia, it had very nice shoe and clothes shops, but could see how desperately he wanted us to lose- which all those round me (at least those who weren't so blinkered that they wanted to have his love babies- ie YOU)were commenting on with the mysifying substitutions leaving that great big hole down the middle of the park for Sofia to waltz through (oh and the big article in the paper telling us when we were all on our way).

It's no use, Tris. What the "walk-on" (or part-time) supporters want is to be treated like (or seemingly better than) season ticket holders without giving the club any loyalty in return.

There are many excuses why people don't come. None of them are the club's fault. It could be argued that any circumstance these people have is down to their own choices and since they WERE their own choices, that to then whinge on is a bit rich.

To be fair to Souness (never thought I'd say that), Rovers played Celtic off the park in Glasgow, one of the best displays of passing and movement I've ever seen from a Rovers team.

O'Neill showed his quality as a manager in the second leg at Ewood, however, when Souness got it badly wrong on the night.

Problem was, Rovers lost both legs. And however wonderfully Rovers played, the only thing that mattered was the little round thing going into the big square netty thing. Celtic did it in Glasgow, and in Blackburn. Rovers didn't manage it either place.

We'd beat Rangers