JHRover

If the EFL don't apply the points deduction then there will be a club getting relegated to League One instead who haven't been into administration. In the cases of Middlesbrough, Hull, Huddersfield or Stoke such a relegation could be financially catastrophic There would be lawsuits left right and centre and rightly so. The League will be hoping and praying that Wigan get themselves 13 points clear before the end of the season, apply the 12 penalty and they still survive. That way nobody complains.

Bury and Plymouth both had big budgets by League Two standards though admittedly both have had issues and yes he's done very well in getting them both up in his first season. Think he needs to prove himself at League One before moving up to the Championship

Again, so if it is correct that 1 or 2 of our prized assets will need to be sold this summer then I'm afraid that is another black mark against those running the show. If they have allowed such an imbalance to develop that we are forced to sell our family silver just 2 seasons after promotion then something has gone wrong. We've been told on a regular basis by Waggott that our business was being done with FFP in mind and so to find ourselves at risk (if true) is a failing. The alternative of course is that we are not at risk and it is just a convenient excuse. It is very difficult for me to accept that we may need to sell quality like Travis, Dack or Armstrong to make up for Mowbray's horrendous failings with Brereton and Gallagher, and that to put icing on the cake he will be given another summer window to cause further damage to the squad with flawed recruitment. The way it works normally is the manager pays for such terrible business with his job, then the next bloke is backed as much as possible. But we all know here from experience that their mate in the dugout will be as safe as houses

How is he going to do that when he admitted last week he has no idea as to his budget and probably won't do until he goes to India to request it, which is likely to be August? Even if by some miracle they decide to give him more money to spend, would you seriously have confidence in him using it to get to the top 6 next season given the huge wages he has used up on players he rarely uses? The aim shouldn't be top 6 anyway, in the same way his aim this season shouldn't have been 70 points. It is setting the bar too low. You aim for automatic promotion then take the top 6 as a consolation if that can't be achieved. You reckon any of the managers currently in the top 6 started the season aiming for 3rd to 6th?

Yes they are going to appoint their reserve team manager because their chairman is worried about FFP compliance and wants to make sure plenty of reserve players go through to their first team.

Just the 7 conceded this week then. Some things don't change.

If losing £17 million per year then yes.

Yes, Dack unavailable the others decent

Travis is brilliant. Class act. The rest other than Armstrong and Tosin? Pfft Time for changes but Venkys are 6 months behind.

No I hadn't heard of him. But he had coached in the French top division and at international level. A bit different to reserve teams. I just want our next manager to have some sort of pedigree or track record of success. I don't particularly care what his title is, whether he is from Barnsley or Brazil. Just to have some belief that it might be successful and that we have some idea what we are doing as a club. Following the old mantra of promote a coach from within because it is easy, cheap and the fans will buy it is in my view a disaster waiting to happen.

Forest and Derby have spent millions and appointed high profile managers. So why don't we do similar whilst also bringing a few through from the academy? Derby also rumoured to have broken the FFP rules you are so afraid of.

Champions of Europe? Must have missed that one. We've won more than anyone outside the top division including yourselves so I suppose I agree big clubs will always be big.

Yes it is a myth. Nobody has been punished even when deliberately breaking the rules. If you are correct in the way to do things then how come nobody else has done it? The only way to sort our finances out is promotion. We need to do everything possible to achieve that. Effectively becoming a glorified academy to sell players to balance the books is not only unsustainable but will pretty much guarantee promotion won't happen. And we will still lose millions a year. McCarthy was managing the Irish national team a couple of months ago and in a normal world would be leading them to euro 2020. Not bad for yesterday's man.

Every manager that gets interviewed will have the necessary qualifications. John Coleman will have similar coaching badges to Jose Mourinho. Many clubs don't have an interview process. They identify who they want and headhunt them. Man City didn't have interviews for their manager. Their owners wanted Guardiola and did what was required to get him. Its only those clubs who don't really.know what they want or what they are doing who run interviews to help them decide.

No we don't. We need a manager/head coach who can get us promoted. It matters because every season we don't go up the club is another £15 million in the red and closer to oblivion. We haven't got time to gamble on experiments and youth and play youngsters to increase their values. If they are good enough then a manager will play them. Just like Mccarthy, for example, did many times at Ipswich. Why does Johnson offer a better chance of youth progression? Surely the key is a manager who knows how best to phase them in. Our 'situation with FFP' is a myth. No other club has appointed their reserve team manager as a solution to combat it. I would say Mccarthy and Pulis would do better with this squad, yes. Their records at this level suggest that is likely because they've been there and done it elsewhere.

Any recent Championship division coach to manager examples? Qualifications mean very little in football management which is a world unto itself.

So you think in 2020 with these owners that we are capable of replicating what Liverpool did 40 years ago? It doesn't work, it won't work. Its so predictable. Appointments through convenience and emotion. I want to get to the Premier League as quickly as possible not gamble our status on experiments.

Sounds like there's a chance that the Hong Kong bloke who recently passed the EFL fit and proper test to take over Wigan might not even exist! Would really hammer home just what a disgrace the EFL are if they have allowed a takeover by a fictitious person.

Perhaps now Barton will finally be put on trial. Outrageous that the 'incident' took place well over a year ago and nothing has happened about it. If I misbehave at a match I get a banning order in a matter of days.

Yes. My question was when was the last time a coach was promoted to manager and it succeeded at this level? Heckingbottom was the division below. Frank had already been a manager just a couple of years earlier. There aren't any others that I can think of. Sometimes I wonder.

Frank had already been a manager in his own right in Denmark. As before, probably not a good idea us trying to copy Brentford when we are a million miles away from their structure. Heckingbottom took over when Johnson had already set them on the way to promotion from League One and finished the job. His record in the Championship at Barnsley and Leeds is abysmal. Totally overrated.

When was the last time a coach was promoted to the managers chair in the Championship and it worked?

https://www.irishfa.com/news/2020/july/damien-johnson-joins-ian-baraclough-s-coaching-staff Isn't clear if he's leaving Rovers or doing both jobs.

I agree with you. His tenure was by no means as bad as some like to make out. Some like to revise history because they didn't like the bloke or the fact he walked out. It might not have been riveting to watch but I could see clear evidence of a way of playing, improved fitness and defensive improvements. Clearly once word got out that he was on his way and we were safe from relegation the end of the season was going through the motions time. As usual though personalities rub off. Seems the order of the day with the owners and down at Ewood/Brockhall is to have someone who is a nice bloke. Such a body on reception likes him because he makes her a brew and has a natter on a Monday morning and the owners like him because he goes to India and tells them how fantastic they are. No matter if results are crap. Give me a win at all costs bloke any day.

Hopefully Hummel or Macron as they put effort in. Umbro and Nike very dull.