Apologies, yes it was after the Sheff Utd game 👍🏼

Probably because we beat Forest and went on 5 game winning run I’d imagine? 🤷🏽‍♂️

Well he believed he had the power to sack Mowbray after the Forest game and this was after March 21 which would lead me to think he was a part of the plan to replace Mowbray initially. Also, Mowbray refers to ‘Mr Waggott’ and ‘the men in suits’ as one in an ‘us and them’ context….so I’m assuming Swag IS in the know, even if he’s leaving too!

Here’s my take / opinion based on a few bits I’ve heard and reading between the lines… So, I KNOW that the training ground was rife with rumours last March that TM was gone at the end of the season, everyone knew. I also heard whispers that they’d interviewed and had maybe chosen one - I suspected Wilder or Neill but never had any confirmation. For some reason, it didn’t happen. Maybe it was the candidates choice, maybe the clubs choice in terms of the timing for FFP or maybe Venkys decided against it? Who knows? But I do think there was a plan (of sorts) hatched then… The cutting back, not investing in the summer or in particular at Christmas and the lack of any contact with TM was telling especially with the sale of Arma and the training ground money which puts us in a much better situation from this summer. I also recall the conversation I had with Waggott after the Forest game when he openly said TM would’ve been sacked if we’d capitulated again like Fulham. Those conversations are signs that the relationship is dead really. Then we had our hiatus and with it, Waggott and Venkys went quiet. Tony isn’t in the circle of trust anymore. So, my take is that there’s a plan to restructure this summer, new manager, new regime and money to spend (FFP clear). How good that plan is, who will take it forward, how much money will be spent and how successful it will be are anyones guess. But I do feel the next few weeks will be interesting, if nothing else!

Haha - I don’t know fuck all other than they had someone lined up last year around March. It fell through for some reason and then a few in here started talking about some masterplan with a new coach and loads of cash…the stuff Glen is talking about. I think Darren Rover or Mercer too?

It’s reset I think…perfect point financially to bring in a new manager and back him.

I heard about this supposed ‘Masterplan’ last March. I don’t know what or who it involves but I think Mercer or Rev had some insight too?

None taken, we’re all used to people on here reading things and then applying their own lense and putting 2+2 together to get 5. So, in the interests of clarity. Joe Rothwells Dad was on the train to Coventry City and interjected a group of Rovers fans discussing (slagging) the team off. Began the conversation with “Hey, don’t talk about my lad like that….” then went on to say everything in my last post. That did happen, fact. This has been further corroborated by two or three other posters on here, who as far as we know have independently backed up those claims. Him saying this stuff is pretty standard and NOTHING like the Trippier stuff. Odd that you’ve made that link. So, feel free to cast aspersions on the character of Rothwells Dad if you like. The truth is that he didn’t really give a fuck about speaking out. His lad had been denied a potential chance to x4 his wages and has pretty much downed tools since January anyway. He’ll 100% not be playing for us next season. I appreciate there are some on here who just don’t want to believe it because it jars with their understanding of how football / life works. That’s fine, iv just tried to give as much info as possible about a conversation which did actually occur.

In the interests of clarity to those who are addressing the WBA rumour. I’m pretty sure it’s come from a few of people on here who were all sat in a carriage en route to the Coventry game a few weeks ago with Joe Rothwells Dad. He said the following: - Bournemouth had bid £3.5m rising to £6m if they were promoted for JR at Christmas. - Mowbray wanted the cash at Christmas to strengthen and Venkys refused it. - JR has a x4 wage increase offer on the table with Bournemouth vs Rovers offer. - The general training / coaching at Rovers is average - Venus deals with the contracts but is a troublemaker - Venus on behalf of Mowbray is advising the out of contract players not to sign deals with any other clubs because they’re going to WBA in the summer and could offer them a better one. This is what Rothwells Dad said. Full transparency. Make what you want of it…the two or three posters on here who’ve passed that info are just the messengers.

Yes, a friend of mine applied for an advertised job on the coaching team last March / April and was told the position had been “put on ice” as there was an expectation that TM was to be removed. Was also told that candidates had been interviewed (suspected Neill and Wilder) - obvs this didn’t happen most likely because were an absolute basket case of a club but also likely because TM & SW spun this tale of Covid etc… This reason why I think (and hope) it’s different this time is because I believe there’s and appetite on both sides to call it a day. 🤞🏽

No way mate….watch any of his interviews in the last month or so. He talks in the third person.. ”These players and the fans must continue this journey..” blah blah I would be astonished if they’re not all gone (announced before the last game)

He isn’t staying on guys. I’m completely convinced….don’t believe there’s an appetite on either for that to happen. The ‘open secret’ came from members of the squad who are being tapped up and advised not to sign new contracts elsewhere by Veno (Who is apparently a troublemaker) so that Mowbray and his team can make them offers once installed at WBA. No suggestion that they’re telling them not to sign Rovers contracts but by the sounds of it that’s just purely financial. JR offered 4x what Rovers are and likely PL football whilst RN’s offer from Rovers is apparently a joke (Very low). The only one we have a chance with is DL…but I think he’ll wait for Tony et al to turn up at WBA and at least double his current offer 🙁

I never understand why people have to be so melodramatic about Mowbray…. He’d done a half decent job until last March when he should’ve had the bullet. Those suggestingnhes worse than Kean or Coyle need to get a grip. Why people can’t just say he’s done a decent job but now needs a a change I’ll never know.

I don’t think the deal has been signed but verbally agreed. Venus advising them not to sign shocked me too…it’s an absolute disgrace. Yes, all from Rothwells dad.

Prob Closer to £500k but Bournemouth offer is 4x what Rovers are offering 👍🏼

Didn’t want to sell to a rival?

I think you’d be surprised how high Mowbrays stock is outside of our fanbase.

That’s what Joe Rothwells Dad said 🤷🏽‍♂️

£3.5m up front and £2.5m if Bournemouth go up.

Haha - it’s water off a ducks back. I do know that they’re confident that the WBA job is sorted. So much so that ‘Veno’ is telling the out of contract lads (DL, JR & RN) not to sign any deals elsewhere because they’ll be able to offer them all a contract! 👀 Im also absolutely CONVINCED that TM is keeping Dack fresh so he can come in for him in the summer - this bit is just my opinion.

He’ll blame Venkys for not sanctioning Bournemouth’s £6m bid for Joe Rothwell for our drop off. He had two players lined up with the money. Venkys pulled the plug.

Fairly open.

Yes, he’s going to WBA.

We won’t. It’s worse than getting relegated. Because he has this habit of creating hope and then flattening us with a Mowbray death spiral.

In honesty, I don’t think he’ll go!